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RubenO · 09-14-2007, 09:34 PM

Here are some more pictures tooken 10 minutes ago...

RubenO · 09-14-2007, 09:35 PM

2 more...

RubenO · 09-14-2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candybaby

Hi, Ruben

I Pm'd you

I also wanted to ask where did you get the parents?? Does the breeder have a web-site?? What beautiful babies you have, I love how the parents look...

Thanks,

Yes, I got a few PMs and I will try to get back to everyone tomorrow.

Thanks for all the Love!

Ruben

RubenO · 09-14-2007, 09:43 PM

My biggest question is should I dock the tail of the Parti? Some people said no, others said yes. I prefer a docked tail myself and my wife loves them either way

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The Parti has black/brown on one side of her face and just black on the other.

As sad as it is, I took pictures of the white boy that passed away as well if anyone cares to see him.

Here is a great site with allot of pictures of some puppy Parti Yorkies http://www.crownridgegems.com/yorkie_puppies.htm

Ruben

Judy in Waco · 09-15-2007, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RubenO

My biggest question is should I dock the tail of the Parti? Some people said no, others said yes. I prefer a docked tail myself and my wife loves them either way

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The Parti has black/brown on one side of her face and just black on the other.

As sad as it is, I took pictures of the white boy that passed away as well if anyone cares to see him.

Here is a great site with allot of pictures of some puppy Parti Yorkies http://www.crownridgegems.com/yorkie_puppies.htm

Ruben

Congratulations on your two new beautiful babies, and sympathy for the one you lost.

If you are keeping her, the choice would be 100% based on your preference. I am like your wife in that I like both, but I would love to see how the colors on her tail come out.

Are you thinking about breeding her someday? Would the tail make a difference in that situation?

Thanks for the great pics!

Julz · 09-15-2007, 03:14 AM

Being that it is a Yorkie and not a Biewer, I would dock the tail. I will admit that I dread that day the most out of breeding, but I would still do it. Yorkies get their tails docked, Biewers don't. A Parti is a Yorkie with a color anomaly....but all Yorkie nonetheless.

kindness_001 · 09-15-2007, 06:38 AM

Congrads on your litter..

kalina82 · 09-15-2007, 07:50 AM

i wouldn't dock the tail. i believe parti yorkies keep their tails, as do biewers.

kalina82 · 09-15-2007, 08:06 AM

Oh, and you asked the little boy being a carrier. Based on the litter you produced, BOTH parents have to be carriers to get a parti baby. So the regular yorkie puppy has a 50% chance of being a carrier and a 25% chance of being a standard.

single allele genetics is quite easy when using a punett square. I drew a picture of each one in Pine Haven's explanation for every one to see. She was right, but i have to disagree on her carrier Vs. standard scenario.

an explanation of my drawing for those who don't know. "R" is the dominant gene of standard coloring. "r" is the recessive piebald gene. To get a dominant standard color without being a carrier you need "RR". To be a carrier you need "Rr" and to be a parti you need "rr". the only was recessive genes are ever shown is if they are double recessive "rr". the other letters in my drawing should be easy enough to figure out (s- standard, c-carrier, and p-parti). i hope this helps.

BamaFan121s · 09-15-2007, 09:37 AM

I don't guess it really matters about the tails. I know that Biewers keep theirs, but I would think that Partis would have them docked.

In actuallity, seeing as Parti is not yet recognized as a standard, I don't think there would really be any standard for keeping or docking the tail either. I mean, the color isn't standard, what would the tail matter...KWIM?
Looks like that choice is completely up to what YOU prefer.

Thanks for sharing the pics!

TammyJM · 09-15-2007, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalina82

i wouldn't dock the tail. i believe parti yorkies keep their tails, as do biewers.

No, the parti colored Yorkies have docked tails. They are still all Yorkie,just not the traditional color.

Tammy

MyFairLacy · 09-15-2007, 10:05 AM

I prefer a docked tail. But since you are keeping the puppy for yourself, it's up to you as to whether or not you are going to dock the tail...which do you prefer?

TLC · 09-15-2007, 10:10 AM

I would keep the tail - with those colors it's gotta be a beauty

JTuckaway · 09-15-2007, 11:08 AM

Ruben, SO VERY SORRY to hear of the one who passed over,you WERE BLESSED with a beautiful Parti-Yorkie puppy,while it is true somewhere in the background of the sire or the dam, there was this gene,you may never know
where it popped in.
All too many breeders will not acknowledge they HAD one or more parti puppies in THEIR LITTER,rather than feel blessed they had healthy puppies, they focus on the "woops"some place them without papers,(big secret you see) or some (HEAVEN FORBID,WHICH I THINK IS HORRIBLE) WILL destroy them...to KEEP their secret.
Other times,as was mentioned,breeders will just not list the correct color so it will not show up on the pedigree as a other than normal Yorkie color...sorry but I found this to be true....BUT NO MATTER!
You were blessed with this "special" little fur kid,it might happen with a following litter or you may never see this pop up again in any further litters that are whelped..sometimes...it is a once in a lifetime "gift."
There is no mistake,you DO have a wonderful,little parti-pupper,CONGRATS
and I wish the remaining puppers health...I hope the ma dogger is also doing well. Jan

JTuckaway · 09-15-2007, 11:35 AM

The carrier genes must be somewhere on BOTH sides for this to throw forward,usually parti bred to parti SHOULD produce all parti BUT since this was a gene that was produced from a normal colored Yorkie,this IS a chance someone could produce a puppy with a little more Yorkie color and less white somewhere down the line....lines for color must be reinforced,if the gene pool is limited,( in the surrounding area)be careful of inbreeding.
There is great discussion on "who contributes what" some will say it "is the stud who sets the litter" I believe it must take both,sire and dam,with qualities and faults from both to contribute to a litter. This does not mean you do not search for the best quality,healthy sire( if you do not have your own) every bitch can get some excellent qualities from studs,darker eyes,better ear sets,size,conformation,smaller ears,good hips,good knees, no liver shunt problems>>>BUT>>> the bitch must also be free of health problems
and she will still give her 2 cents worth in all the puppies born.If not, IF it were just the stud who gives everything to the litter,we'd see 100% exact
duplicates,a "perfect clone" of only the stud... don'tcha think?
So,BOTH of these dogs MUST carry this color gene somewhere in the back-
ground,could be as far back as the 5th generation,could be further back than this BUT IT IS THERE.
IF you are not breeding for health AND JUST A SPACIFIC COLOR, it can be a hit and miss if another parti is born,it could happen once more,it could then stop or it could continue to have one or two born..not knowing the genes and colors behind...unfortunate but there is no guarantee.
Our beautiful Biewers are an example of breeding for health AND COLOR and this was over many generations and YEARS OF HARD WORK,to breed these little wonders!Someone had to do a lot of genetic reseach...again...even IF both parents carry this parti gene..to establish it,will take YEARS OF CAREFUL BREEDING to set and establish the colors as well as maintain health.

09-14-2007, 09:43 PM	#109
RubenO Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boca Raton, Florida Posts: 98	My biggest question is should I dock the tail of the Parti? Some people said no, others said yes. I prefer a docked tail myself and my wife loves them either way . The Parti has black/brown on one side of her face and just black on the other. As sad as it is, I took pictures of the white boy that passed away as well if anyone cares to see him. Here is a great site with allot of pictures of some puppy Parti Yorkies http://www.crownridgegems.com/yorkie_puppies.htm Ruben Last edited by RubenO; 09-14-2007 at 09:47 PM.

09-15-2007, 06:38 AM	#112
kindness_001 Yorkies LUV never grows old Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Owensville,In.47665 Posts: 889	Congrads on your litter.. __________________ Megan, Killer, Cocoa Latte, and Ebony Lousie

09-15-2007, 07:50 AM	#113
kalina82 Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: with my yorkie baby Posts: 10,141 Blog Entries: 1	i wouldn't dock the tail. i believe parti yorkies keep their tails, as do biewers. __________________ Kellie and Morgan

09-15-2007, 10:05 AM	#117
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	I prefer a docked tail. But since you are keeping the puppy for yourself, it's up to you as to whether or not you are going to dock the tail...which do you prefer? __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

09-15-2007, 10:10 AM	#118
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I would keep the tail - with those colors it's gotta be a beauty __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

09-15-2007, 03:14 AM	#111
Julz Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 4,347	Being that it is a Yorkie and not a Biewer, I would dock the tail. I will admit that I dread that day the most out of breeding, but I would still do it. Yorkies get their tails docked, Biewers don't. A Parti is a Yorkie with a color anomaly....but all Yorkie nonetheless.

09-15-2007, 09:37 AM	#115
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	I don't guess it really matters about the tails. I know that Biewers keep theirs, but I would think that Partis would have them docked. In actuallity, seeing as Parti is not yet recognized as a standard, I don't think there would really be any standard for keeping or docking the tail either. I mean, the color isn't standard, what would the tail matter...KWIM? Looks like that choice is completely up to what YOU prefer. Thanks for sharing the pics!

09-15-2007, 11:08 AM	#119
JTuckaway YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Klamath Falls Posts: 5	Ruben, SO VERY SORRY to hear of the one who passed over,you WERE BLESSED with a beautiful Parti-Yorkie puppy,while it is true somewhere in the background of the sire or the dam, there was this gene,you may never know where it popped in. All too many breeders will not acknowledge they HAD one or more parti puppies in THEIR LITTER,rather than feel blessed they had healthy puppies, they focus on the "woops"some place them without papers,(big secret you see) or some (HEAVEN FORBID,WHICH I THINK IS HORRIBLE) WILL destroy them...to KEEP their secret. Other times,as was mentioned,breeders will just not list the correct color so it will not show up on the pedigree as a other than normal Yorkie color...sorry but I found this to be true....BUT NO MATTER! You were blessed with this "special" little fur kid,it might happen with a following litter or you may never see this pop up again in any further litters that are whelped..sometimes...it is a once in a lifetime "gift." There is no mistake,you DO have a wonderful,little parti-pupper,CONGRATS and I wish the remaining puppers health...I hope the ma dogger is also doing well. Jan

09-15-2007, 11:35 AM	#120
JTuckaway YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Klamath Falls Posts: 5	The carrier genes must be somewhere on BOTH sides for this to throw forward,usually parti bred to parti SHOULD produce all parti BUT since this was a gene that was produced from a normal colored Yorkie,this IS a chance someone could produce a puppy with a little more Yorkie color and less white somewhere down the line....lines for color must be reinforced,if the gene pool is limited,( in the surrounding area)be careful of inbreeding. There is great discussion on "who contributes what" some will say it "is the stud who sets the litter" I believe it must take both,sire and dam,with qualities and faults from both to contribute to a litter. This does not mean you do not search for the best quality,healthy sire( if you do not have your own) every bitch can get some excellent qualities from studs,darker eyes,better ear sets,size,conformation,smaller ears,good hips,good knees, no liver shunt problems>>>BUT>>> the bitch must also be free of health problems and she will still give her 2 cents worth in all the puppies born.If not, IF it were just the stud who gives everything to the litter,we'd see 100% exact duplicates,a "perfect clone" of only the stud... don'tcha think? So,BOTH of these dogs MUST carry this color gene somewhere in the back- ground,could be as far back as the 5th generation,could be further back than this BUT IT IS THERE. IF you are not breeding for health AND JUST A SPACIFIC COLOR, it can be a hit and miss if another parti is born,it could happen once more,it could then stop or it could continue to have one or two born..not knowing the genes and colors behind...unfortunate but there is no guarantee. Our beautiful Biewers are an example of breeding for health AND COLOR and this was over many generations and YEARS OF HARD WORK,to breed these little wonders!Someone had to do a lot of genetic reseach...again...even IF both parents carry this parti gene..to establish it,will take YEARS OF CAREFUL BREEDING to set and establish the colors as well as maintain health.