Yorkies in heat

[tegamom1]

Paddysmom asked about the changes, not luvtif.

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by luvtif

I never said I want to breed him just so I can get another puppy for free. If breeding is so bad, why does anyone do it, what about those dogs? What are the benefits?
We both know there is a lot to consider and we have already considered all of it-I don't know why it was assumed that we hadn't.
Anyway, thanks for the answer.

Maybe if you mention your reason for breeding it would help?

Breeding is not bad at all..........as to why do people do it-there are many reasons.

Some to improve the breed or a line, some breed for themselves looking for their next championship. Others to make money, others because "they want babies from his/her dog", then you have the ones who mix breeds and sell "designer dogs" and the list goes on and on.

You are just starting. Get all the education out of the way and be successful.

What are the benefits you ask? For the show breeders/exhibitors-making a difference in maintaining, improving and protecting the breed, getting their next CH.

For the BYB and Puppymills........$$$$$

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

Paddysmom asked about the changes, not luvtif.

Oh my goodness. I am so sorry. please forgive me luvtif!

[bruizersmummy]

I think you guys need to stop being so harsh, worry about the people out there breeding yorkie with chihuahua or other "Designer" pups. She stated she is not breeding for show quility and the pups could be sold as afordable PETS! I wanted a yorkie for the longest time and could not afford one till I found mine for $500. I wasn't looking for a show dog but for a pet. There is a BIG difference and you all know that with ANY! breeding you may not get that perfect pup. and you also know that there are health concerns with any Dog and any breeding is dangerous! Even us as humans are in danger when we decide to have a child! BUT WE ALL STILL DO IT! Cause to benefits out wiegh the risks! As long as she is breeding within standards then pick on someone else!

I however will find the perfect line and best background as posable cause I want to start Showing the breed, Not breeding for money, Breeding for show quality pups.!!!!!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Rhapsody

Bama,

When you had that little guy neutered did that take care of the problem? I had posted a question a few days ago. My friend, Debbie, has decided to breed her Westies, when I went to visit the other day (Wiggles, the female is in heat) they had had successful ties throughout the weekend. Wiggles made it clear she wanted nothing to do with the poor little guy, and went into her igloo bed to nap. The entire time the poor little guy, Teddy, sat on my lap, and would cry and shake. I was concerned about him, but my friend didn't think it was a big deal. Now Debbie says he's following her around crying and shaking constantly (also he starts yapping at any noise, strange or common), Wiggles is finishing up her heat and will have nothing to do with him. Anyway, she's worried this was going to be a permanent personality change in him. So basically that's why I'm asking if neutering him will turn him back into the sweet, laid-back Teddy Bear he used to be?

Yes, it did take care of the problem. I can't say it will be the same for EVERY male, but it did the trick for him. He was actually even around my currently in-heat female and it didn't even phase him.

[luvtif]

Originally Posted by Paddys mum

Hi, Sugars mom,what do you mean changes to the male after breeding,you just struck a nerve with me about Paddy,he used to be fine with all dogs but then he changed not long after he did the naughty thing with my girl Megan, now hes a pain in the a*** when he sees another dog,hes so aggresive!

Sugar's Mom, is this the post you are referring to? I wasn't the author. But thank you all for all your input. I will consider all of it again before I decide.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bruizersmummy

I think you guys need to stop being so harsh, worry about the people out there breeding yorkie with chihuahua or other "Designer" pups. She stated she is not breeding for show quility and the pups could be sold as afordable PETS! I wanted a yorkie for the longest time and could not afford one till I found mine for $500. I wasn't looking for a show dog but for a pet. There is a BIG difference and you all know that with ANY! breeding you may not get that perfect pup. and you also know that there are health concerns with any Dog and any breeding is dangerous! Even us as humans are in danger when we decide to have a child! BUT WE ALL STILL DO IT! Cause to benefits out wiegh the risks! As long as she is breeding within standards then pick on someone else!

I however will find the perfect line and best background as posable cause I want to start Showing the breed, Not breeding for money, Breeding for show quality pups.!!!!!

I don't feel anyone was being harsh, just factual. Anyone considering breeding should begin with the idea of breeding the best, whether show breeder or not.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by luvtif

I never said I want to breed him just so I can get another puppy for free.

<sigh> Yeah, actually you did say that.

In this thread, post #45.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...881#post574881

Originally Posted by luvtif

How much of a stud fee can yorkies usually get? We just want to breed him to get another yorkie, but I am just curious to know what the going rate is...

And here again, post #19. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...808#post542808

Originally Posted by luvtif

Yes, we want to get him a playmate but we want another Yorkie and they are so expensive so we are waiting until he gets old enough to breed so we can get one for free.

Originally Posted by luvtif

If breeding is so bad, why does anyone do it, what about those dogs? What are the benefits?
We both know there is a lot to consider and we have already considered all of it-I don't know why it was assumed that we hadn't.
Anyway, thanks for the answer.

No one is saying that breeding is bad, but it is when you do it without doing your research first. The question you asked was pretty basic knowledge for a breeder, that was why people assumed that you hadn't looked into it very far.
If you did your research as you claim, then I am sure you are also aware of this: You state that the breeding pair that produced your male also produced a 22 pound dog? Hmmm...that kind of genetic background isn't what you want in a stud. That could very easily put the life of the female you want to breed to at risk. But of course, you knew that, right?

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by luvtif

Sugar's Mom, is this the post you are referring to? I wasn't the author. But thank you all for all your input. I will consider all of it again before I decide.

I am so sorry. i apologized in another post after it was pointed out to me.

[Rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yep! If you aren't prepared, take all the bad with the good.....well! it's not for everybody....

Mary

I agree; when Deb first mentioned breeding Wiggles and Teddy, "I said are you sure you want to do that?" But she got so angry with me 'questioning what she did with her dogs', that now I just try to be supportive and help where I can (or where and when she's willing to let me help, lol).

She thinks it's cool that I really want to begin showing, but when I told her that I want to find a mentor and start going to shows regularly, she didn't even understand why. Lol, to her they are 'just dogs', you brush them -- do some training, and that's about it. (or at least that's all she thinks should be involved.) She loves them, but she's not passionate, does that make sense??

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Rhapsody

I agree; when Deb first mentioned breeding Wiggles and Teddy, "I said are you sure you want to do that?" But she got so angry with me 'questioning what she did with her dogs', that now I just try to be supportive and help where I can (or where and when she's willing to let me help, lol).

She thinks it's cool that I really want to begin showing, but when I told her that I want to find a mentor and start going to shows regularly, she didn't even understand why. Lol, to her they are 'just dogs', you brush them -- do some training, and that's about it. (or at least that's all she thinks should be involved.) She loves them, but she's not passionate, does that make sense??

Perfect sense.....I don't agree with her way of thinking, but I do understand it.

[luvtif]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I am so sorry. i apologized in another post after it was pointed out to me.

I saw that after I posted that. Thanks

[luvtif]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

<sigh> Yeah, actually you did say that.

In this thread, post #45.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...881#post574881


And here again, post #19. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...808#post542808





No one is saying that breeding is bad, but it is when you do it without doing your research first. The question you asked was pretty basic knowledge for a breeder, that was why people assumed that you hadn't looked into it very far.
If you did your research as you claim, then I am sure you are also aware of this: You state that the breeding pair that produced your male also produced a 22 pound dog? Hmmm...that kind of genetic background isn't what you want in a stud. That could very easily put the life of the female you want to breed to at risk. But of course, you knew that, right?

Well thanks for looking into my life history there. Yes, I will get a free puppy out of the deal, but I am not putting my baby at risk to do so. I don't see a whole lot of difference in saving the money to buy one or breeding myself. Either way two dogs are at risk to make that puppy.
Secondly, the pair that made my baby is not the same pair that made the 22 pound yorkie. (Just the dad is the same and he is tiny). Plus the owner of that big puppy feeds him way too much. It is not all genetic.
I knew that girls normally went into heat twice a year. I just wanted to know if any of your own babies only did once a year, but I guess I won't bother with any questions on here anymore---thanks for helping out a fellow yorkie owner...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by luvtif

Well thanks for looking into my life history there. Yes, I will get a free puppy out of the deal, but I am not putting my baby at risk to do so. I don't see a whole lot of difference in saving the money to buy one or breeding myself. Either way two dogs are at risk to make that puppy.
Secondly, the pair that made my baby is not the same pair that made the 22 pound yorkie. (Just the dad is the same and he is tiny). Plus the owner of that big puppy feeds him way too much. It is not all genetic.
I knew that girls normally went into heat twice a year. I just wanted to know if any of your own babies only did once a year, but I guess I won't bother with any questions on here anymore---thanks for helping out a fellow yorkie owner...

BamaFan121 was attempting to help you and provide you input. You called her untruthful when she questioned you. She or anybody would not stand back and allow that..

Sorry you didn't get the answers you were expecting. But, if you were looking for sugar coating, the questions shouldn't have been asked.

You said that you knew that females come into Season twice a year, but in your original question you didn't know.....every yorkie female is different, some every 6, some 8, some 10, some once a year.

There is no difference in saving money for a new yorkie and breeding one to aquire one. You should have enough money put away for an unexpected emergency vet trip in the middle of the night to have those puppies delivered or to save the dam's life......Sometimes alot more money than buying a new puppy. The difference is you aren't the one risking the females life.

22 pound yorkie, 15 pounds over the maximum weight for a standard yorkie is not just a bit overweight due to being overfed, the yorkie is huge.....

People here are more than willing to help if you really want to go about breeding the right way

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by luvtif

I don't see a whole lot of difference in saving the money to buy one or breeding myself.

That is the bad part...you don't understand the difference.

And yes Mardelin, I agree. There is NO way a Yorkie is 15 lb over the limit only because it is overfed.