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Old 04-01-2007, 04:34 PM   #16
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I understand you feeling like you're being jumped on, but it's not the case. At this point it is an issue of safety and money. The vet is either going to say "We'll see how it goes and do an ultrasound when the time comes to verify size." or "We need to spay right now." Yorkies have issues giving birth due to their size, it's just the way it works. Stressing a girl of this breed even more by using a substantially larger male is an issue. When you're 8lbs, 15lbs is almost TWICE your size.

If your vet does let the pregnancy progress and do the ultrasound to check for pup size, if they're too big he will have to spay the mom. Then you have puppies that can probably hear and smell and squeak not being given a chance at life, a very sad mom, and a VERY expensive vet bill. Even if she does carry the pups to term, if they're by that eskie she'll need a C-section. There's no guarantee which male did the job until you ultrasound for size, or they're born. If she has a c-section, she probably shouldn't be bred again. Either way, you're looking at spaying her. There's really not many other options a vet can give you than that. I know you don't want advice. This isn't advice, it's just logical reasoning. I know you'll listen to what the vet tells you because you're a good mom, we're all just giving you a heads up.
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I would never take the chance of letting her carry this "possible" pregnancy. A yorkie should never be bred with a male larger than the female. There's just too much risk involved there. Considering that this male dog, regardless of the breed, is twice her size, I would definitely have the pregnancy aborted. I could never take that risk with any of my females.
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There is of course no such thing as a yorkimo.. it's not a breed or a good idea for that matter.

I would worry about the health of your female, be more careful watching your yorkie while she is in heat, and have the pregnancy aborted. =/
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Is there such a thing as a yorkimo??
Yeah, it's called a mutt/cross breed/designer dog/mix.

Honestly, the negative comments are not needed. You came here asking for advice and that is what you are getting. Sorry if you don't like the answers Accidents aside, your small dog was bred to a much larger one which is dangerous and possibly life threatening. Period. Would you rather everyone lie, pat you on the back and offer up congrats? I think not.

I agree with everyone else. Bite the bullet and have her spayed, thus aborting the pregnancy. If you want to strictly take the advice of your vet--which I wouldn't blame you--go ahead, but if that is the case, why even post this here to begin with?

Good luck.
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my goodness i understand honesty and being blunt but i dont think it is called for to be rude, she asked several questions all at once probably because all of this is running through her mind at the same time, and she may be a bit confused. stop jumping on its a mutt phrase and just offer the info she requested. and no i havent heard of a yorkimo, but im sure it will not be the last time we here of it

Accidents do happen, and it doesnt make a person a bad breeder or person

designer dogs are very popular right now, but i think its just a fad, and that there are so many people trying to create there own designer dog that it putting large volumes of puppies out there which is competion for the purebreds (jmo) and i could be wrong, but this is some of the talk i have gotten from breeders (this is not meant to start a argument or debate, so please dont take it that way, just adding my $.02)
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Yep, that could be really dangerous for your little girl.
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OMG I know you have to be beside yourself with worry. I sure hope that it did not take. But you are doing the right thing by taking her to the vet. I understand the accidents happen. No matter how careful you are. I have even heard of them hooking up between the bars of a cage . I hope all works out at the vets and PLEASE let us know what they say. I will keep you and you sweet girl in my prayers.

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my goodness i understand honesty and being blunt but i dont think it is called for to be rude,
I suggest you go back and read post #14...IMO, THAT was rude.

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stop jumping on its a mutt phrase and just offer the info she requested.
She asked, "ever heard of a yorkiemo, and I gave her an answer

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I don't see where anyone said she was a bad person.

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designer dogs are very popular right now, but i think its just a fad,
Fad...one can only hope. (I don't think the existance of 'designer dogs' was ever a question?)

Like you Tammy, I don't intend to start an argument, I was also just offering up my .02. Blunt/rude, whatever you want to call it...people gave honest efforts, however, no one ever attacked or victimized the original poster, they were just upfront. It is very frustrating to see caring people give their advice (which was solicited) on what they feel is best for the dog and have that person turn around and lash out for whatever reason with "I don't need your answers" type statements. (Which are usually closely followed by the 'way to treat a new member' and 'maybe I should leave' comments)

My apologies to the original poster if you took anything I said out of context and somehow construed that you were being labeled as a 'bad person.' Just want to put that to a stop before it gets started...the power of suggestion can be nasty.
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bama..i m truly sorry if you felt i was pointing a finger at you i wasnt, i was picking from different thins i see and was posting that it gets old seeing people put down the whole mutt thing, when i think mutt i think complete accident between one mix and another mix..

and people get defensive thats probably why she lashed out.
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bama..i m truly sorry if you felt i was pointing a finger at you i wasnt, i was picking from different thins i see and was posting that it gets old seeing people put down the whole mutt thing, when i think mutt i think complete accident between one mix and another mix..
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The best dog I ever owned was a 'mutt.' I just think it is a term open for interpretation--one which does not seem to have a definition that people can always unanimously agree on. I have nothing against them, but I am of the opinion that if you can study up on the geneology of individual dogs and all that in includes, the puppies produced will overall be healthier...the probability of genetic and health issues can be avoided. All of this could only be achieved in a proverbial 'perfect world' of course...which will never exist!
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my goodness i understand honesty and being blunt but i dont think it is called for to be rude, she asked several questions all at once probably because all of this is running through her mind at the same time, and she may be a bit confused. stop jumping on its a mutt phrase and just offer the info she requested. and no i havent heard of a yorkimo, but im sure it will not be the last time we here of it

Accidents do happen, and it doesnt make a person a bad breeder or person

designer dogs are very popular right now, but i think its just a fad, and that there are so many people trying to create there own designer dog that it putting large volumes of puppies out there which is competion for the purebreds (jmo) and i could be wrong, but this is some of the talk i have gotten from breeders (this is not meant to start a argument or debate, so please dont take it that way, just adding my $.02)
Unfortunately in a case like this you can't just "answer the question asked." There are probably twice as many lurkers here as posters, and leaving something like this undiscussed could be dangerous for some other dog. Someone may decide, "Well, no one said it was a bad idea, I guess i'll give it a go!"

No one said she was a bad person or a bad breeder. Accidents do happen, but a good breeder would NEVER put her dog's life at risk by trying to "push through" this type of accident to try and breed the dog in the future, no matter how much she has to offer the breed. I doubt that she will do this once she gets a vet's advice though because she obviously cares about her babies. Unfortunately this is the price you pay for a lack of vigilance, accidental or not. I'm really sorry this happened, and many fantastic breeders have been caught in the same situation. However, trying to turn an (unsafe!) accident into income is not the right thing to do IMO. I understand she didn't realize it could hurt her girl at the time, but I just hope she realizes it before her girl gets too far along.

If designer breeds are just a fad, I will eat my socks. Everyone these days wants the newest, latest thing and I doubt this will ever change. They don't care about the repercussions or gaining knowledge about crossbreeding, they just want the image, and no shedding, and permanent "cuteness." I don't think it's going anywhere. I just hope that the people breeding these start genetic testing and keep record of pedigrees.

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wow i really shocked to hear that no one else things designers are fad i truly thought they were, i mean i like them, and now i also have a very unplanned adorable litter at home of yorkie mixes but i really didnt think it would be something that stuck, im glad i got you alls opinion on that one
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I think the babes should be aborted, and the female spayed. Puppies that are too big can kill that little girl.
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wow i really shocked to hear that no one else things designers are fad i truly thought they were, i mean i like them, and now i also have a very unplanned adorable litter at home of yorkie mixes but i really didnt think it would be something that stuck, im glad i got you alls opinion on that one
And I am sure they will be cute and cuddly and loved. And as you said, unplanned--something that is going to happen in some cases.

2 things that concern me about 'designer dogs' (bred on purpose) are:
What if they ARE just a fad? What happens to the thousands of dogs and the generation created to appease a passing fad. A generation of dogs that were created for a buyers market and came about overnight to compete with established breeds that have been protected for countless years.
Also, what 'standard' is being achieved. You have a set standard for two breeds, but what is the standard for their offspring. Their isn't one. Who's to say the result you've achieved have been positive or negative?

Just general random thoughts...
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And I am sure they will be cute and cuddly and loved. And as you said, unplanned--something that is going to happen in some cases.

2 things that concern me about 'designer dogs' (bred on purpose) are:
What if they ARE just a fad? What happens to the thousands of dogs and the generation created to appease a passing fad. A generation of dogs that were created for a buyers market and came about overnight to compete with established breeds that have been protected for countless years.
Also, what 'standard' is being achieved. You have a set standard for two breeds, but what is the standard for their offspring. Their isn't one. Who's to say the result you've achieved have been positive or negative?

Just general random thoughts...
My biggest fear is that these mixes will keep being created and sold to pet stores. We all know those puppy mills don't stop for anything and as long as someone is buying them, they'll keep pumping them out. People are already paying ridiculous prices for them and it is considered acceptable! The puppy millers will just take whatever female is in heat and breed her to whoever the newest stud is. The MONEY is what will keep it around.

People consider these mixes status symbols now, which is very very unfortunate. Generally, the people that want dogs for these reasons "throw them away" when they become issues and then get another puppy. I'd rather it be a fad because then at least the generation of puppies in kill shelters would only happen once. This industry is perpetuating throw-away dogs by marketing to the crowd that is okay with this practice. Frankly it infuriates me.

I'm sorry if I come across as harsh or mean, I don't mean to be, it just really REALLY upsets me to see animals treated as objects. Not everyone with a mix does this, and not everyone who breeds them is out for the all-mighty dollar, but a great majority of them do.
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