Breeders please help!!!!
 

I am just getting into breeding Yorkies. After about 10 years breeding shelties... Can anyone help me with sizes and teacups? and babyface? and what the difference is? I know alot about small breeds as my mother breeds chihuahua's and my aunt breeds poms. But I hear alot of different things about yorkies. Please help my be a great breeded and not misstake none of these trates. Thank you so much......
:animal-pa Jenni and Joel- Parents of 2 human children:) and 3 furry children:animal36 :animal36 :aimeeyork :animal-pa

As for "teacup" yorkies, check out this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64153

A babyface is just that... small features, short nose, etc.

I would suggest you go to the AKC and read about the breed standard so you know what to look for.

The so called "teacups" are undersized dogs that are usually very fragile. It is not considered responsible to breed especially to get the smaller size 4 pounds or less. It will happen ocasionally with any breeder, but to do it deliberately is frowned on.

I have done alot of research on the breed. My male in CKC regestered. I have a few people wanting to breed with him but I want to make sure he has what it takes to be a good stud dog.

No offense, but your posts are very contradicting. You state you are just getting started and need help with teacups and size of Yorkies...very basic principals, IMO. Then you turn around and state you have done alot of research on the breed...:confused:

I have done alot of research but then I still have people telling me their dogs carry the "teacup" gene or some people swear there is no difference between a normal yorkie and a baby face. They say it is just a way to make more money by calling it a teacup or a babyface. I just wanted to get information from breeders who seem to be very respected on YT. Sorry if I am being confuceing I'm looking for some one to show me what to stay away from..... Thank you for being constructive. It helps me become in better understanding with the breed.

You should find someone in your area that is a well established Yorkie breeder to work with. They will be able to share their knowledge with you and guide you along the way. What about the breeder you got your male from?

I got him from a lady that told me about the babyface just being a way of getting more money for the pups. I don't think she is a very trusted breeder but I could not turn down the price of Bruizer.

What lines do your babies come through? As was stated the word teacup is a marketing ploy to sell under sized pups at big prices. Baby doll face usually refers to a dog that has a shorter muzzle and too deep a stop. If you get ahold or the Yorkshire terrier club of America and can get them to send you The Illustrated Discussion of the Yorkshire Terrier I think you'll find it invaluable. I picked one up in NY and it is fantastic in explaining the breed standard. It has pictures and addresses the terms that you are wondering about. I'll see if I can scan a pic of the doll face for you.

When you breed yorkies, especially as a beginner , you may hear the terms used, but you dont know the whole reality of them. WHat they actually mean, its a term, but it isnt clear. I think that is what you are asking. There is alot between the lines. I hope I read your question right and that is what you are asking:)
I am a breeder but I do not always adhere to exact standards. BUt thru experience I can give you this valuable advice.
In your breeding program, it would be in the best interest for you, the puppy and the purchaser that is the guidelines you look for, THE STANDARD.
When you get into the slang term "tea cup size" or very small yorkie you run into alot more problems. Sometimes many you never even thought about, unless you experience it you just dont know, even with research.
I admit Tinies are cute little buggers. But these are the ones that require special care.
TO be responsible you have to keep them at least until they are 12 weeks old, many times much longer then that. They have to go to special homes. The homes need special education if they dont already know what they are getting into.The puppies are very fragile. Many times they have problems at birth. They have problems latching on, they require supplement to thrive, their lil bones are like twigs. Jumping from a couch for them is like jumping from the empire state building and then they develop joint problems. Most very small yorkies have open fontanels for many, many months. ANd I know I left alot of stuff out!
The truth is even if you bred within standard ( I dont always do that, I have big yorkies and a couple small too) you still will get those various sizes because of the history of the breed. Start your breeding program within the standard, Learn the pedigrees, and save yourself alot of grief. ( from someone who knows):thumbup:
Yorkies above 4 lbs or more tend to be sturdier. ANd A much better representation of the breed in all ways.
No dog will be perfect. If you want the best for them and mean it, it will happen without a doubt.
I hope this helps your goals in some way.
Good luck!

Thank you all so much. You all are giving me more and more valueable information. I will be looking for a Female here in the near future and will chack on her to see if any of you have one when I'm ready. Thanks again.

This page has some pictures... hope it helps.

http://dandugmore.netfirms.com/spiceseminar.html

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May I ask at what age you purchased your male as a potential stud? What was you reason for not going the AKC route?

I know you said before you are not very privy to the breed standard...
Have you had a breed expert or well seasoned, ethical Yorkie breeder help you to evaluate your male? What indicates to you that he is of a quality that should be bred? I would just kind of think it a long shot that a dog you got for a 'good price' from a breeder that you don't think is trustworthy would end up being a good stock candidate. I could be wrong, but... I'm sure in any case he is a fabulous little guy to have around.:)

I have only had I groomer tell me he is one of the best looking Yorkie she has seen. I am not sure if I am going to breed him that is why I am one here looking up more stuff about the breed and getting TRUE information. I really don't want to breed with CKC. I would prefer to have AKC. I bought this male just cause I have allways wanted a Yorkie. I'm sorry if you all are missunderstanding me. I have tryed a local breeder to see if she would help me in my quest to find the right info and have her show me the difference in person but she turned me down so I'm thinking she must not be a respected breeder. Anway, thank you all so much.

I'm so sorry you're having trouble getting some help. Sometimes this feels like an exclusive club and it's hard for newbies to get in. As a newbie myself I sympathize with your dilemma, as a business woman I understand the breeders caution. Don't give up, find yourself some good books, attend some shows, try to talk to some show breeders (some will talk, some will snub). Work on developing an eye so that you can judge your own breeding stock. You may be able to get your boy registered UKC and than you will be able to show him in their confirmation classes. Check out your local kennel club and see if they have a handling class. If you want to be a serious breeder and it sounds like you do, prove your boy in the ring first. You'll be surprised what doors it opens up to you. Good luck, Tami

pup
 

Why not post his pedigree..and some photo's..stay with YT and learn all you can. I will sound harsh, BUT if his ped is not heavy with known champions, the chances of having anything more then a pet quality stud is slim..you might think a stud to produce pets is exactly what you want......BUT it does not work that way in breeding..you must have a male of superior quality to even produce pets who look like Yorkies.....
When he is breeding age, you can make a much better decision as to what your goals are regarding breeding and betterment of the breed. It is impossible to see much from your avatar...are his ears erect, what type of coat texture. If you are here to learn, you will learn...look for a mentor..and be prepared for most reputable breeders to decline..sorry, it is just the way it is...but you can set your own goals and achieve them by yourself..

Start going to dog shows to see what a good dog looks like..structure, movement, coat, color temperament..

I am still waiting on his pedigree. His coat is very smooth and soft. I look at alot of pics and I see alot of other yorkies have lots of tan on the face, I don't know if its just cause he's a pup but he seems to have a little more black. You tell me what you think, Will he get more tan as he grows and sheds his puppy coat or what? :thumbup: I am going to a show will the groomer I mentioned in an earlier post:thumbup: . She does some grooming with a breeder that will be there and hopefully I can get her to talk with me. I think I'm going to purchase a AKC pup for my breeding stock after I learn some more things on here and at the show. I want to thank you all so much! No matter what, Bruizer is a great boy to have in my life and i am thankfull for that. He will allways be my Boy rather he's a stud dog or just a pet!!!!!:) Thanks and let me know what you think about Bruizer.

i am sorry but i had to laugh at this. there is no such thing as a 'teacup gene"
i am not being mean but this takes the cake for me. i have heard it all but this one is funny.

it looks like you have a lot of studing regarding the yorkie. exspecially studding. i have been studding for many years and it is NOT a piece of cake. to me, it is easier to whelp than to stud.

he is a great boy and yorkies are all great. he needs to grow into his ears...it maybe because he is a puppy that his ears look large. to be quite honest, you really don't know what his coat will be until 2 years. also, yorkies don't shed. you normally don't stud yorkies until they reach 1 1/2 - 2 years of age so by then you can see if he meets the standard.
please please please breed to the standard b/c there are too many yorkies out there that people breed just to breed and you end up with non standard yorkie. and it's people who purchase these pets and get very upset when they reach 1 yr old and they are 10lbs and their snout is long and their coloring isn't right and it is so heartbreaking.

I didn't say that the gene exsisted, I just said that I had people telling me that. I know it don't. Learning from my Mother who is a chihuahua breeder I know that it is just a very small pup and I know that the have extreme heath problems and are very fragile. In fact she lost a "teacup" because he jumped off the couch and bumped his head and it killed him. I hope i am not sounding rude here but I just wanted to point out that I did not say it was a gene, thats just what people told me, that why I turned here, to people who could set me straight! lol

pup
 

Remember to groom his ears...they need trimming...he has a green eye flash, so his coat is silk...but he may grow too large for a stud, it is early..best wishes

When I look at him I see a puppy. That's all for now, just a cute little boy. When he gets older and breaks color, when he grows into his ears, when his brisket drops and he fills out. when his topline evens up and he's done teething, he may be stud material. Who knows! Meanwhile enjoy his puppy time, it passes so fast. Learn all you can while he's growing and enjoy the show!

i wasn't talking about you i was quoting what you said people are telling you. it kills me what people say.
everyone wants to be a breeder and especially of yorkies. yorkie breeders are everywhere and a dime a dozen..but you will want to set yourself above the rest so make sure you have that good quality yorkie, good ethics, learn as much as you can in the next two years, get a mentor, help with some whelping, you should be set.
we have wonderful experienced breeders and show breeders here. they have been successful and are very well respected.
it took me 4 years of learning before i started to stud....i did this for two years before i whelped my first litter. it was a long process but well worth it.

question
 

Oaky, I give up, what is a "brisket"...? thanks

Isnt it a type of barbequed meat? lol

Also dont forget to add..... Make sure he has 2 testicles, of course along with the topline, etc.

A brisket is the chest of an animal.

Thanks Barb, yes the brisket is the bottom of the chest, the part that extends between the dogs front legs. Until the dog has matured and the brisket has lowered and filled out you can't tell if the dog has good front legs and good reach. An expert told me this!

ahhhh
 

Got it..been a long time since I looked at a structure chart..

was just reading this thread, what does it mean to have a green eye flash, so his coat is silk? i think my winston has a cotton coat, don't know about the eye flash. Thanks!:confused: