Breeding Age
 

One day I want Ludo to be a daddy and I was just wondering (also out of curiosity) what is the average age for males and females to safely breed?

age
 

I have never found any age to be perfectly safe..dogs can get STD's and all sorts of things..it is best to talk to your vet to safe guard your male for future breeding..age varies..ususally a year is fine for a male.

As for females..search the archives..there are too many precautions, before and after to list in one post..Good Luck

has Ludo been tested for gentic things? Have you researched his blooodlines? You didn't say how old he is so i am assuming he is young. You have time to research all about breeding while you wait. The male should ideally be over a year old but AKC will register pups from a sire of eight months, I believe it is. But hte longer you wait, the more the sperm can mature and less chance of defective puppies.

Ditto! do your research and don't be in a rush. You have to do your tests and know the quality of your dogs before breeding. Are they to standard? Have you had anyone go over your dogs to evaluate them first? Breeding good dogs - does not mean just finding out how soon will they be ready to breed and putting them together. Just because they can breed - does not mean they should. I know you are wanting to do this right - or you would not have asked us. Good job!!
T.

wow dogs get STDs? i never knew that

Wow
 

WOW, is right..and alot of uneducated breeders do not know it either...for a starter, they can get brucellosis. It renders them sterile, very nasty disease, painful also, they get sick and run a fever many times, males testicles swell..can run thorough an entire breeding program and wipe you out. If a pregnant bitch contracts it, she will lose the litter around 5 to 7 weeks..all will be dead..then she will most likely never conceive again...other dogs/bitches do not have to be bred to contract it...all they have to do is come into contact with discharge...and you know how dogs like to sniff butts..LOL

Yes Ludo is young! I just want to learn as much as I can before I consider this. I had no idea dogs could get STDs! I swear I learn so many new things on YT. He definitely wont be ready for it for quite some time.

I know he carries the chocolate gene because his two sisters were chocolates. But do all carry this gene? Is it just a recessive trait?

He is not registered yet. I send off the AKC papers soon. Do breeders prefer breeding AKC with AKC .. CKC with CKC .. etc?

I know it is early for me to be asking this, but you can never know enough.

Bdmcs324- Because he carries the chocolate gene - he should never be breed if you want to breed to standard. Cholcolate is not standard.

IMO - AKC is preferred since the others are too easy to register with even if you do not know about the parents. I think CKC (continental) was trying to change this at the beginning of the year, but since I do not use or have CKC (continental) I do not know. AKC has a long history behind it, you must prove parentage and they must be AKC to register. And they will stop by breeders to check records and area where the dogs are kept. To me - this means a lot.
CKC (Canadian) is like to AKC.

JMO - if I were you - I would just enjoy your baby and have Ludo altered.

So the chocolate gene is not carried by all yorkies? I thought it was just a recessive trait.

Since it is not recogized by AKC or - YTCA ... http://ytca.org/faq.html - and even states that one should not breed one that is not a recognized color. Any reputable breeder would not promote an un true color.
JMO - I would never breed a choloclate yorkie, since they are not to standard - doesn't matter if it is dominent or recessive. It is still there and can pop back up any time.
T.

I'm curoius too. I'm lokking for another yorkie and you run into all kinds of breeders. When I'm looking for a puppy and I'm asking about the parents what is the oldest the male and female should be. I've heard of places where they breed the female every heat until she dies. In checking out the parents what's the oldest they should be and how often should the female have puppies, once a year?:confused:

I guess you dont understand what I am asking. Doesnt every yorkie possess the possibility of having a chocolate in their litter.. whether they are chocolate or not. And Ludo IS NOT chocolate, but he had two sisters that were chocolate.

And neither of Ludo's parents were chocolate.

genes
 

No, all Yorkies do not carry non-standard color genes...or Parti gene, etc.

There are no set answers as to how old or often to breed. You must go bitch by bitch..size., ease of whelping and caring for the pups/nursing etc, no additonal problems before or after...
I breed at the second or third season, or when I feel the bitch is ready mentally and physically. I do not breed before 14 months...and stop at 4 to 5 depends on many factors when I retire them...but have bred to 6..had one bitch whelp 6 pups two weeks before her 7th year, but she had not been bred in two years.

Sorry - Bdmcs324 What I meant to say is that since his siblings (2) are chocolate - I would not breed him, but this is just my opinion. He is highly carring the chocolate gene due to both sisters being chocolate. So his chances of having a chocolate pup is higher than most - chances are he may have one every litter, but depends on the female he would be bred to and what is in her gene pool.

And Pat thank you - I did not think that all yorkies carried this gene. If this was true we would have a lot more chocolate pups. I have never had any chocolate pups in any litter - ever. But I have never bred any of my yorkies that had siblings/parents/grandparents with chocolate gene or were chocolate - mine were all the normal color, as too were their parents, etc... "The Joy of Breeding Yorur Own Show Dog" by Ann Seranne (Mayfair) on page 51 discusses and lists genetically dominant and recessive traits. For example the curly coat is dominent over straight recessive and large or long ears are dominent over the recessive small or short ears, and straight topline is dominent over the sway back.

I breed and then skip a heat. This way giving the female a chance to recoup a little longer. Some breed twice then skip one - either is okay and depends of the situation. Never breed every heat - too hard on the female. And I never started to breed until at least her second heat - usually when she is about 2 years old.
T.

Something funny!!!!!!
 

hey guys, I was going to buy a female puppy from a certain showw breeder (not a member here) that has aa list of champions a milee long. I found out she was associated with a bad breeder as friends from the breeders review here. I started questioning her as to whether she ever had her female throw chocolate pups. Very honestly she said yes I have. Then went on to tell me she was feeding a certain kind of dog food and when she switched dog food, the chocolates stopped coming. Now even a novice like myself knows better than that. i would never, ever purchase or breed a dog that I knew carried the chocolate gene.

Ethic's
 

What sets breeders apart is what they do about problems that crop up..NOT the fact problems crop up. All breeders will have problems..breed long enough and you will no doubt experince just about everything.
I would not find fault with a breeder who got non-standard colors or even two headed, flying Yorkies...I would find fault with what they did after producing these puppies...( I might add, as a breeder it is my right to express my opinions of my own kind).
If you decide you want to be known as ethical, you reframe from a repeat breeding, if not, you promote these as rare and sell them for $5000...

Well personally I want a chocolate yorkie and I see nothing wrong with them. I'm not trying to have a show dog and if it is a happy, healthy, chocolate yorkie I see nothing wrong with it. Yes you can all grill me about not making the "breed better" or it not meeting standards .... it is still a yorkshire terrier .. just a different color.

hummmmmmmm..i wont go there. i will just sit back and watch

breeding
 

You are right, there is nothing wrong with a chocolate, parti, red, blue, yellow or green..they make wonderful pets. I certainly would not destroy a pup who was born a non-standard color..but I also would not repeat the breeding, register it and sell it as an AKC Yorkie..even though I could if I wanted to...see my point? Other breeders are free to do as they please...and I am free to express my opinion, as you..thank you for your opinion.

Why wont you "go there" I am asking for people's help and opinion. Obviously you have nothing but rude things to say and no real advice. So thanks for not going there.

Yes I do see your point. But you can register chocolates AKC.. so if they accept it why isn't is standard or okay? I am not trying to argue I really am just wondering because I have no idea about these things. Also is there a certain % chance that his offspring will be chocolate or is it just kind of a toss up?

Akc
 

I realize you can register any color with AKC...but the standard is set by the YTCA and they have decided not to allow these non-standard colors.
YTCA is not God, but I accept the clubs bylaws, rules and regs, because IMO they have the best interest of the Yorkie at heart ..so I choose to adher to the rules...now if I decided not to adher, then I would do all I could to promote change, not breed any color I choose and say the standard is wrong...as it reads now, the standard is the last word. If I want colors, I will get into Poms or Poodles..

I would think your male bred to a line of B/G will only produce B/G. It is recessive..so both must carry the gene.

[QUOTE=YorkieRose;962890]I realize you can register any color with AKC...but the standard is set by the YTCA and they have decided not to allow these non-standard colors.
YTCA is not God, but I accept the clubs bylaws, rules and regs, because IMO they have the best interest of the Yorkie at heart ..so I choose to adher to the rules...now if I decided not to adher, then I would do all I could to promote change, not breed any color I choose and say the standard is wrong...as it reads now, the standard is the last word. If I want colors, I will get into Poms or Poodles..

I would think your male bred to a line of B/G will only produce B/G. It is recessive..so both must carry the gene.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your help! This is the information I was looking for. Do you know where to find a description of the standard set by YTCA?

standard
 

When you read the Yorkie standard in any book, web site etc..that is the only standard..there are not different ones devised by different groups of breeders..AKC accepts what the YTCA decides...AKC does tell the YTCA what the standard will be...quite the opposite.

Go to the YTCA web site to read the standard..it might be here some place...

miss type
 

AKC DOES NOT tell the YTCA what the standard will be...sorry I miss typed..

I gave you the link to YTCA in slide 10.
I looked at your profile and you are still young, planning
to be a teacher. I have been teaching now for 15 years. So you know about ethics. Just like we have ethics for teaching we have ethics for breeding.
It does come down to learning and knowing about the standard and what is best for the breed. The chocolate pups are born with the bb gene, but yorkies should only carry the dominent BB gene. Yes, it is a recessive gene being passed on to the pups from the parents. Apparently the parents were regular color, but carry this gene. As concerned breeders we should only want to breed dogs that are producing the acceptable color as well as breeding only ones that have the acceptable color. We should only want the true blue and gold color, because this is what the Yorkshire Terrier is suppose to be. Any other color makes the pup something else. Yes, at first I too thought the chocolate/liver color was cute. Would I breed for this? - no way! If people continue to breed knowing that their yorkie carries the bb gene or produces pups of this chocolate/liver color or any other color there is out there other than the acceptable true color - ourYorkshire Terrier breed can shortly become something else. I feel in love with the yorkshire terrier many years ago and love it in for the standard it is - I do not want it to change.
I am so glad that you are open and willing to learn and know more about our breed we both love so much.
T.

Opps! Here is the link again for YTCA @ Yorkshire Terrier Standard: http://ytca.org/standard.html

And here is AKC Yorkshire Terrier standard repeated: http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm

I hope this helps in your search. I am sure that Ludo is very sweet!
T.

Okay so let me get this straight. Since Ludo does carry the chocolate gene (but he is not chocolate) .. then if the female does not carry the chocolate gene there is no chance for them to have chocolate offspring.

Thank you all for your help. As I said I don't know much about breeding and I was not aware of how important it was to strive for the best standard pups. I hope Ludo can one day be a dad, but if it will 100% result in chocolate or the wrong colored pups I understand it is the wrong thing to do. I just though it would be special for him to help raise his own baby.

I guess if I want a chocolate yorkie I should not hope that Ludo will have one, but find one that is already born and have it as my loving pet!

I am sorry if I offended any breeders. I am just young and curious and not wanting to make any mistakes!!!

YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT!!!! I WAS GOING TO BE RUDE BUT DECIDED NOT TO POST MY THOUGHTS FOR FEAR OF BEING BANNED.