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FlDebra · 01-17-2007, 03:33 PM

I think it is great that you are checking things out before making a decision to breed your dog. Here is a good guide to go by -- the YTCA code of ethics and code of conduct. http://ytca.org/frame_index2.html

I think most would think it is not the best decision to breed an unregistered dog. She is also too young. The second heat, 18 months and over 5 pounds is generally recognized as what is safe for the Mother, who otherwise meets breeding criteria. Some females that weigh less than that can get an okay from their vets for safe breeding. The weight itself is not nearly as important as the size and measurements of potential birth canal and other health considerations. A thin, larger bone structured dog can more safely have puppies than a fat, tiny-boned one. Many 4 pound females safely have litters.

You should also review the Yorkshire Terrier standard and determine if the dogs meet the criteria. Then it is helpful to have a person experienced in judging Yorkshire Terriers evaluate the dogs to see if they are good representatives of the breed. We all love our little ones and think they are the cutest ever -- but that does not mean they should be bred.

Both dogs should be tested for infectious and hereditary disease -- appearing healthy and carrying dangerous traits that could be passed on are quite different. While at the vet, get his/her take on the physical safety of breeding your girl. Some females, even in standard, cannot safely be bred.

Natural childbirth can be great, but what happens if the pups grow larger than your female's birth canal? They won't be able to pass without killing her. So, are you prepared for C-section? Do you have a couple of thou saved aside in the event of trouble? That is not uncommon with Yorkies, especially small females.

No one should breed dogs without copious studying! You need to know what to do. As you already heard, whelping big dogs like labs is nothing like our little toys! I have been reading for several months and am no where near ready. I won't breed until I feel I am. Since mine are still puppies I have lots of time. My first AKC registered Yorkie female turned out to not be within standards, so we spayed her and loved her as a pet only. We are very hopeful about our little Sadie!

So far everything is looking great. But I won't know for a few more months. Just letting you know all this last part so you understand not all dogs, even if they were registered should be bred.

You do have a pretty little girl there! But I would look into spaying her.

sylvan · 01-17-2007, 03:35 PM

"all I have to do is provide a cozy nest for her litter"

yep, that's all there is to it.....

Sugar's Mom · 01-17-2007, 03:36 PM

Didn't we go thru this a few months ago with you about breeding your female?

Mardelin · 01-17-2007, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix101

People listen to yourselves. This forum sure has changed since i've been gone. I can't believe you just said that. My Cindy is not property. She's my loving companion. You people are just sad. How can you even think that?

If she is your loving companion, then think of her as such. Breeding her because you think that's what she was meant to do, because she's a bitch. I wasn't put on this earth just to have babies and I don't think she was either. Hey! I had my ovaries taken out at a very young age......didn't miss anything about them, as a matter of fact I felt it was a blessing, didn't have to mess with that monthly thing.....

Sugar's Mom · 01-17-2007, 03:39 PM

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53951

FlDebra · 01-17-2007, 03:49 PM

[QUOTE=Felix101]... I don't breed her, she just ends up pregnant when dogs get into my backyard.

......Yes I have read all the benefits of spaying. Yes I know she will live longer. But I rather her be happy than live a longer life sad and altered because YES you ARE altering your dogs not for them but for yourselves. I find that foolish of pet owners. I want my baby to experience the miracle of birth and I know there is always a risk. Women are at risk when they get pregnant (and don't tell me they aren't) but they still give birth not because It's pretty but because they are biologically programmed to want to and because birth i a beautiful thing. I repeat this again, I will NOT deprive my baby of that feeling. I know there are risks and I will take them and take care of her.

As for the "cute" comment. I don't care if her babies come out deformed. I know dogs end up in pounds. That's why I always tell the people I give my lab's puppies away to, "If you cannot keep him/her, return them back to me and I will take care of them until I meet a person who needs/wants one."

I'm doing this for my baby not for me or because it is cute. Once again, I'm not spaying her so don't suggest it again.
[QUOTE]

I should read a thread all the way through before I post -- this is the most irrepsonsible post I have ever read. I thought someone was really checking into breeding before making an unwise decision.

I cannot believe someone would admit that they let their dog get pregnant from any old dog who happens to come in their yard and does not care if puppies come out deformed. They need to stop licensing dogs and start licensing owners before they are allowed to have a dog!!!!

trini&coco · 01-17-2007, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix101

People listen to yourselves. This forum sure has changed since i've been gone. I can't believe you just said that. My Cindy is not property. She's my loving companion. You people are just sad. How can you even think that?

I find your post very offensive.

I believe you misunderstood. Nobody is implying your dog is your property but her happiness and safety is your responsibility. It is not in her best interest to have puppies right now and maybe never. You asked for our opinions and you do not like the answer, it is not fair to lash out. When you buy a dog it can be "pet quality", "breeding quality", "show quality", etc. Your baby is not registered, she is small (so is mine) and she should not have been sold to you as a breeding female (and she probably was not). I understand every being is pre-designed and has the instinct to multiply but if the doctor told a woman it is too dangerous for her circumstances to have children, usually she would listen. It is your responsibility to make the right decision for her. Do not let her down.

If you do decide to breed her, I suggest you save some money during the nine weeks her pregnancy lasts, in case of an emergency in whelping you will need it, trust me, at least $2,000- IMO.

I also want to add I love all dogs pure-breed or not but there are so many dogs "accidentally getting pregnant" that people should not purposely breed any dogs without papers and knowledge of hat dog's particular background. (Do not give the multi-racial/cultural comment please...it is not the same.)

And BTW- You need to fix your poor Lab also...sorry!

chachi · 01-17-2007, 03:56 PM

[QUOTE=FlDebra][QUOTE=Felix101]... I don't breed her, she just ends up pregnant when dogs get into my backyard.

......Yes I have read all the benefits of spaying. Yes I know she will live longer. But I rather her be happy than live a longer life sad and altered because YES you ARE altering your dogs not for them but for yourselves. I find that foolish of pet owners. I want my baby to experience the miracle of birth and I know there is always a risk. Women are at risk when they get pregnant (and don't tell me they aren't) but they still give birth not because It's pretty but because they are biologically programmed to want to and because birth i a beautiful thing. I repeat this again, I will NOT deprive my baby of that feeling. I know there are risks and I will take them and take care of her.

As for the "cute" comment. I don't care if her babies come out deformed. I know dogs end up in pounds. That's why I always tell the people I give my lab's puppies away to, "If you cannot keep him/her, return them back to me and I will take care of them until I meet a person who needs/wants one."

I'm doing this for my baby not for me or because it is cute. Once again, I'm not spaying her so don't suggest it again.

Quote:

I should read a thread all the way through before I post -- this is the most irrepsonsible post I have ever read. I thought someone was really checking into breeding before making an unwise decision.

I cannot believe someone would admit that they let their dog get pregnant from any old dog who happens to come in their yard and does not care if puppies come out deformed. They need to stop licensing dogs and start licensing owners before they are allowed to have a dog!!!!

I agree it is one of the most irresponsible things I have heard on this forum and I have been here over 2 years and have probably heard it all

txshopper73 · 01-17-2007, 03:57 PM

Hi my baby just went into heat a week ago. This is her first time. She's 10 months old. I have a friend that has a boy and we were talking today about letting them. . .you know and let my baby have puppies. Her boy is 6 months old but he seems to be very sexually active already with his toys

I have some questions about this whole process.

A. My girl is 10 months. Her boy is 6 months. Are they mature enough? If not, how old enough should they be when they first make doggy love? No, they are not old enough. Letting her get pregnant now would be like a 14 year old girl getting pregnant. You girl still has growing to do.

B. How does the whole giving of puppies work? My mom told me that the rule of thumb is the owner of the stud gets one puppy and I keep the rest. Is this true? I talked to my friend and she says she only wants a puppy to keep her boy company and I want to keep a puppy for the exact same reason. Here are some situations. If my girl has only one puppy, who keeps the puppy, the owner of the female or the owner of the stud? If she wants a boy and Cindy only has 2 girls (for example) what is supposed to happen? Are there any rules about this? If so, can you tell me so that I know? This won't be any breeding like professionally or anything. She's just a friend who has a stud and we decided to let our babies have puppies so we won't get into any legal stuff like suing each other I just want to know out of curiosity. There are no rules except what you and the stud breeder decide.

C. I'm all for natural birth and all. I have a Lab who has given birth 6 times and has done it all by herself without me even touching her. I want it to be the same for Cindy. I know that she has motherly instincts and that she knows what to do and all I have to do is provide a cozy nest for her litter. I will take her to the vet if I see anything weird going on or just to check her right before she gives birth. Natural birthing is the best but your girl is to tiny and will possibly have to have a c-section. Just because your girl and this little boy are small does NOT mean that they will product tiny pups.

D. Cindy's litter could not be registered with the AKC because one of her parents was not registered. Her husband-to-be IS registered with the AKC. She's really small. 4 lbs last time I weighed her. The stud is smaller than her and weighs in at at 3.5 lbs. Since she's not registered, I know I can't register the litter so the puppies will not be sold at the price that a registered Yorkie would be. The puppies SHOULD be really small since both parents are small so I don't plan on having the prices lower than 700. You can get small puppies that are cheaper than what you are asking and they ARE papered. Why would you want to sell puppies that aren't papered? You could go down to the local shelter for that. Unpapered yorkies run just a couple of hundred dollars...size isn't a determining factor in that.

E. What are some important things that I should know before I make the decision to let Cindy have puppies?

Here are pictures of Cindy (1st picture) and her boyfriend (2nd picture

Your girl is entirely too small. You haven't done enough research (at least it looks that way from your posts). If I were you, I'd rethink this entirely.

trini&coco · 01-17-2007, 04:01 PM

You said you are still in school? High School? Just curious...

txshopper73 · 01-17-2007, 04:06 PM

[QUOTE=Felix101]My lab is perfectly fine. I don't breed her, she just ends up pregnant when dogs get into my backyard. That's really nice!

I don't want her to have puppies just because they are cute or because I want some cash. Then why did you say you won't be asking less than $700?All female beings have a biological desire to breed. I can't just take that away from her by spaying her. Some humans have that same drive but that doesn't mean that every human should breed either!I love my baby too much to deprive her of that. Please DO NOT keep asking me to spay her because there is no way I will. Then you've already made up your mind.

Yes I have read all the benefits of spaying. Yes I know she will live longer. But I rather her be happy than live a longer life sad and altered because YES you ARE altering your dogs not for them but for yourselves. I find that foolish of pet owners. I think IMO that letting a dog breed just because a human thinks her dog wants to is foolish.I want my baby to experience the miracle of birth and I know there is always a risk. Women are at risk when they get pregnant (and don't tell me they aren't) but they still give birth not because It's pretty but because they are biologically programmed to want to and because birth i a beautiful thing. I repeat this again, I will NOT deprive my baby of that feeling. I know there are risks and I will take them and take care of her.

As for the "cute" comment. I don't care if her babies come out deformed. Another nice statement. I know dogs end up in pounds. That's why I always tell the people I give my lab's puppies away to, "If you cannot keep him/her, return them back to me and I will take care of them until I meet a person who needs/wants one."

I'm doing this for my baby not for me or because it is cute. Once again, I'm not spaying her so don't suggest it again.

Thank you.

doortego · 01-17-2007, 04:12 PM

Surely this is just a very bad joke.

chachi · 01-17-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doortego

Surely this is just a very bad joke.

No I think she is completely serious since this is the 2nd thread she has started on breeding her dog

YorkieRose · 01-17-2007, 04:18 PM

Now, you did it...your poor Lab has had 6 litter because it is her desire to reproduce??? IT is YOUR responsibility as a pet owner to do what is best for your dogs..and allowing males to impregnate her over and over is not LOVE..it is "I do not give a dam about my dogs well being"...plain and simple..if you truly loved your LAb you would not leave her in the yard while she was in heat and subject her to disease and repeated whelpings..her body will eventually give out and her health will fail...
Do whatever you want with your Yorkie..I ask God to watch over her and she does not suffer from the stupity of her owner.

vainchick5 · 01-17-2007, 04:21 PM

Just to clear up any confusion about doggie instincts, just because they are female does not mean they have instincts to be a mommy

that is just mistaken for pure human greediness for money, at any cost, regardless of if the bitch dies or the puppies have health problems, especially since they cant be registered so God only knows what is in the lineage. I guess this is how puppy mills get started huh? Sorry to say but this original poster must be one of the most irresponsible pet owners I've ever heard of. Who lets their poor dog get pregnant by neighborhood mutts??? Pets are not meant to be used as cash cows and contrary to your thoughts, females DO NOT care to have puppies and put their instincts to use. They quite enjoy being spoiled princesses. This poor yorkie girl. Thank you to all of the reputable breeders out there who do not sell their babies to owners like this.

01-17-2007, 03:33 PM	#16
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	I think it is great that you are checking things out before making a decision to breed your dog. Here is a good guide to go by -- the YTCA code of ethics and code of conduct. http://ytca.org/frame_index2.html I think most would think it is not the best decision to breed an unregistered dog. She is also too young. The second heat, 18 months and over 5 pounds is generally recognized as what is safe for the Mother, who otherwise meets breeding criteria. Some females that weigh less than that can get an okay from their vets for safe breeding. The weight itself is not nearly as important as the size and measurements of potential birth canal and other health considerations. A thin, larger bone structured dog can more safely have puppies than a fat, tiny-boned one. Many 4 pound females safely have litters. You should also review the Yorkshire Terrier standard and determine if the dogs meet the criteria. Then it is helpful to have a person experienced in judging Yorkshire Terriers evaluate the dogs to see if they are good representatives of the breed. We all love our little ones and think they are the cutest ever -- but that does not mean they should be bred. Both dogs should be tested for infectious and hereditary disease -- appearing healthy and carrying dangerous traits that could be passed on are quite different. While at the vet, get his/her take on the physical safety of breeding your girl. Some females, even in standard, cannot safely be bred. Natural childbirth can be great, but what happens if the pups grow larger than your female's birth canal? They won't be able to pass without killing her. So, are you prepared for C-section? Do you have a couple of thou saved aside in the event of trouble? That is not uncommon with Yorkies, especially small females. No one should breed dogs without copious studying! You need to know what to do. As you already heard, whelping big dogs like labs is nothing like our little toys! I have been reading for several months and am no where near ready. I won't breed until I feel I am. Since mine are still puppies I have lots of time. My first AKC registered Yorkie female turned out to not be within standards, so we spayed her and loved her as a pet only. We are very hopeful about our little Sadie! So far everything is looking great. But I won't know for a few more months. Just letting you know all this last part so you understand not all dogs, even if they were registered should be bred. You do have a pretty little girl there! But I would look into spaying her. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

01-17-2007, 03:35 PM	#17
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	"all I have to do is provide a cozy nest for her litter" yep, that's all there is to it..... __________________ Stacy and the crew

01-17-2007, 03:39 PM	#20
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	here ya go http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53951

01-17-2007, 03:49 PM	#21
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Irresponsible!!!!!! [QUOTE=Felix101]... I don't breed her, she just ends up pregnant when dogs get into my backyard. ......Yes I have read all the benefits of spaying. Yes I know she will live longer. But I rather her be happy than live a longer life sad and altered because YES you ARE altering your dogs not for them but for yourselves. I find that foolish of pet owners. I want my baby to experience the miracle of birth and I know there is always a risk. Women are at risk when they get pregnant (and don't tell me they aren't) but they still give birth not because It's pretty but because they are biologically programmed to want to and because birth i a beautiful thing. I repeat this again, I will NOT deprive my baby of that feeling. I know there are risks and I will take them and take care of her. As for the "cute" comment. I don't care if her babies come out deformed. I know dogs end up in pounds. That's why I always tell the people I give my lab's puppies away to, "If you cannot keep him/her, return them back to me and I will take care of them until I meet a person who needs/wants one." I'm doing this for my baby not for me or because it is cute. Once again, I'm not spaying her so don't suggest it again. [QUOTE] I should read a thread all the way through before I post -- this is the most irrepsonsible post I have ever read. I thought someone was really checking into breeding before making an unwise decision. I cannot believe someone would admit that they let their dog get pregnant from any old dog who happens to come in their yard and does not care if puppies come out deformed. They need to stop licensing dogs and start licensing owners before they are allowed to have a dog!!!! __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

01-17-2007, 03:57 PM	#24
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Hi my baby just went into heat a week ago. This is her first time. She's 10 months old. I have a friend that has a boy and we were talking today about letting them. . .you know and let my baby have puppies. Her boy is 6 months old but he seems to be very sexually active already with his toys I have some questions about this whole process. A. My girl is 10 months. Her boy is 6 months. Are they mature enough? If not, how old enough should they be when they first make doggy love? No, they are not old enough. Letting her get pregnant now would be like a 14 year old girl getting pregnant. You girl still has growing to do. B. How does the whole giving of puppies work? My mom told me that the rule of thumb is the owner of the stud gets one puppy and I keep the rest. Is this true? I talked to my friend and she says she only wants a puppy to keep her boy company and I want to keep a puppy for the exact same reason. Here are some situations. If my girl has only one puppy, who keeps the puppy, the owner of the female or the owner of the stud? If she wants a boy and Cindy only has 2 girls (for example) what is supposed to happen? Are there any rules about this? If so, can you tell me so that I know? This won't be any breeding like professionally or anything. She's just a friend who has a stud and we decided to let our babies have puppies so we won't get into any legal stuff like suing each other I just want to know out of curiosity. There are no rules except what you and the stud breeder decide. C. I'm all for natural birth and all. I have a Lab who has given birth 6 times and has done it all by herself without me even touching her. I want it to be the same for Cindy. I know that she has motherly instincts and that she knows what to do and all I have to do is provide a cozy nest for her litter. I will take her to the vet if I see anything weird going on or just to check her right before she gives birth. Natural birthing is the best but your girl is to tiny and will possibly have to have a c-section. Just because your girl and this little boy are small does NOT mean that they will product tiny pups. D. Cindy's litter could not be registered with the AKC because one of her parents was not registered. Her husband-to-be IS registered with the AKC. She's really small. 4 lbs last time I weighed her. The stud is smaller than her and weighs in at at 3.5 lbs. Since she's not registered, I know I can't register the litter so the puppies will not be sold at the price that a registered Yorkie would be. The puppies SHOULD be really small since both parents are small so I don't plan on having the prices lower than 700. You can get small puppies that are cheaper than what you are asking and they ARE papered. Why would you want to sell puppies that aren't papered? You could go down to the local shelter for that. Unpapered yorkies run just a couple of hundred dollars...size isn't a determining factor in that. E. What are some important things that I should know before I make the decision to let Cindy have puppies? Here are pictures of Cindy (1st picture) and her boyfriend (2nd picture Your girl is entirely too small. You haven't done enough research (at least it looks that way from your posts). If I were you, I'd rethink this entirely. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

01-17-2007, 03:36 PM	#18
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	Didn't we go thru this a few months ago with you about breeding your female?

01-17-2007, 04:01 PM	#25
trini&coco Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,340	You said you are still in school? High School? Just curious... __________________ Shayley Pixie Gracie Coco Trini and Their Family We wub, wub, wub YT

01-17-2007, 04:06 PM	#26
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	[QUOTE=Felix101]My lab is perfectly fine. I don't breed her, she just ends up pregnant when dogs get into my backyard. That's really nice! I don't want her to have puppies just because they are cute or because I want some cash. Then why did you say you won't be asking less than $700?All female beings have a biological desire to breed. I can't just take that away from her by spaying her. Some humans have that same drive but that doesn't mean that every human should breed either!I love my baby too much to deprive her of that. Please DO NOT keep asking me to spay her because there is no way I will. Then you've already made up your mind. Yes I have read all the benefits of spaying. Yes I know she will live longer. But I rather her be happy than live a longer life sad and altered because YES you ARE altering your dogs not for them but for yourselves. I find that foolish of pet owners. I think IMO that letting a dog breed just because a human thinks her dog wants to is foolish.I want my baby to experience the miracle of birth and I know there is always a risk. Women are at risk when they get pregnant (and don't tell me they aren't) but they still give birth not because It's pretty but because they are biologically programmed to want to and because birth i a beautiful thing. I repeat this again, I will NOT deprive my baby of that feeling. I know there are risks and I will take them and take care of her. As for the "cute" comment. I don't care if her babies come out deformed. Another nice statement. I know dogs end up in pounds. That's why I always tell the people I give my lab's puppies away to, "If you cannot keep him/her, return them back to me and I will take care of them until I meet a person who needs/wants one." I'm doing this for my baby not for me or because it is cute. Once again, I'm not spaying her so don't suggest it again. Thank you. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

01-17-2007, 04:12 PM	#27
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	Surely this is just a very bad joke.

01-17-2007, 04:18 PM	#29
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Lab... Now, you did it...your poor Lab has had 6 litter because it is her desire to reproduce??? IT is YOUR responsibility as a pet owner to do what is best for your dogs..and allowing males to impregnate her over and over is not LOVE..it is "I do not give a dam about my dogs well being"...plain and simple..if you truly loved your LAb you would not leave her in the yard while she was in heat and subject her to disease and repeated whelpings..her body will eventually give out and her health will fail... Do whatever you want with your Yorkie..I ask God to watch over her and she does not suffer from the stupity of her owner. Last edited by YorkieRose; 01-17-2007 at 04:22 PM.

01-17-2007, 04:21 PM	#30
vainchick5 YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: CA Posts: 6,588	Just to clear up any confusion about doggie instincts, just because they are female does not mean they have instincts to be a mommy that is just mistaken for pure human greediness for money, at any cost, regardless of if the bitch dies or the puppies have health problems, especially since they cant be registered so God only knows what is in the lineage. I guess this is how puppy mills get started huh? Sorry to say but this original poster must be one of the most irresponsible pet owners I've ever heard of. Who lets their poor dog get pregnant by neighborhood mutts??? Pets are not meant to be used as cash cows and contrary to your thoughts, females DO NOT care to have puppies and put their instincts to use. They quite enjoy being spoiled princesses. This poor yorkie girl. Thank you to all of the reputable breeders out there who do not sell their babies to owners like this. __________________ Mommy to Coco and Rocco Last edited by vainchick5; 01-17-2007 at 04:25 PM.