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11-05-2006, 08:39 PM | #1 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Schriever, LA
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| NEED HELP!!!! Birthing problem?? Hi all. A close friend of mine has a maltese that is having her 3rd litter. You guys here are just wonderful so I told her I'd ask here for advice. She wasn't expecting Matti (her maltese) to have the puppies today because she didn't go through her normal pattern of behavior. She got home from a family gathering, there was a dead puppy still in the sack which was all green, the mom's back end is covered in greenish discharge. She found the pup about 3 hours ago and now the female is starting to show signs of her normal labor behavior...digging, pacing, panting, etc. The only weird thing is that the dead puppy didn't look like it was ready to be born. It's skin was transparent. Is it possible that this puppy detached a week or so ago and is just coming out first because it was detached? Is it possible for the others to be born OK? We called the vet and she advised to kinda wait and see. We are mainly concerned that it's been a little over 3 hours since she found it....and no other puppies yet. The vet says she doesn't think we should really count the birth of the first puppy when looking at the time between puppies. She isn't in active labor just yet because she isn't contracting. We are just confused. She's never had a problem before. HELP if you can!!! Thanks you guys...you all are the best!
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11-06-2006, 03:21 AM | #2 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania
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| Oh gosh, that's just awful. You probably wrote this last night. How did everything go? I do hope the rest of the pups are alive and healthy and that Mom is well. |
11-06-2006, 05:08 AM | #3 |
Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio
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| I am sorry I can't help. I hope someone will come along soon and be able to give you and your friend some advice. I hope the mother is doing alright and will have a smooth delivery and have healthy puppies.
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11-06-2006, 05:59 AM | #4 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia
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| The greenish-black fluid is normal and a dead premature pup may indicate that it died earlier and the body is discharging it because it is too late to absorb it. Hope the rest of the pups are born alright. |
11-06-2006, 11:46 AM | #5 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas
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| Reading this too late to be of any help, but if she is not having any labor pains the rest of the litter might not come until they are due. Most likely this one got separated from the placenta wall and that is why it came. I would think the longer it was off the placental wall the more deteriorated it would become and wouldn't look much like a puppy if it became detached a week or so ago. Maybe it's just not time for the others to be born - does she know the mating dates? In any event I would keep in close touch with my vet. Is the vet worried about bacteria causing problems with those yet to be born? |
11-06-2006, 11:48 AM | #6 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Schriever, LA
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| OK...she had another pup last night that was dead. This one and the first one were females. Then, nothing....all night. All of a sudden at 7 this morning she has another one...this one was alive, but barely. We stimulated her and so far she's doing OK. About an hour later, she had another one....a boy and he's doing great. This was a really weird labor. I am about to start a new thread with a question. I'll put it in here too, just in case. How much and how often can you give supplemental milk. They don't seem to be sucking at all. I have the milk, but I'm not sure how much to give and how often. Thanks! I'll keep you all posted.
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11-06-2006, 11:52 AM | #7 |
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11-06-2006, 12:00 PM | #8 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas
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| I am so sorry for the losses. 1 ml per ounce of body weight every 3 hours or 1/2 ml per ounce of body weight every 1 1/2 hours, etc. Only feed a warmed solution to a warm puppy - never feed a chilled puppy. Glucose water may be more beneficial at this point than milk replacer. Sometimes just dabbing a bit of Nutrical, Nutristat or Karo corn syrup will give them the strength to nurse. The first 24- 48 hours of Mom's milk (colostrum) is very important to the pup's immune system so try very hard to get them to nurse, rather than supplementing. |
11-06-2006, 12:21 PM | #10 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas
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| This is what I meant by glucose water: 5% glucose solution by mixing one teaspoon white corn syrup with a few grains each of sodium chloride (table salt) and potassium chloride (salt substitute) with four tablespoons boiled water. This resembles a Ringer’s glucose-sale fluid but, of course, cannot be used for subcutaneous or intravenous injection because it is not sterile. We put the solution into a dropper bottle. As soon as a whelp is dry and breathing normally, it is weighed on a gram scale and given five or six drops of the solution on its tongue. Even the weakest puppy is able to accept each drop before the next is given. Then the puppy is put with its dam for stimulation and warmth. Every 4 hours we weigh the puppy, record the weight, and administer the glucose solution, giving it as much as a dropper full if it will take it, until it shows signs of gaining weight--Then every 8 hours until it is 48 hours old. Usually even the weakest or smallest puppy in a litter will begin to take hold and nurse strongly with good suction at the end of 24 hours if not before. No supplementary food is introduced into the puppy’s system except the 5% glucose for the first 48 hours. Energy and a reserve supply of glycogen is what is needed at this point in the tentative life. After this time, each puppy which has lost 10% or more of its birth weight, is supplemented every 4 hours with the standard mixture of Esbilac (one part Esbilac to three parts boiled water plus one teaspoon corn syrup to each 8 tablespoons of the mixture (½ cup). This reduces the glucose content by 50%. The puppy’s weight is recorded at 8 hour intervals. After 72 hours if a puppy is still not showing a consistent weight gain on supplementation and its dam’s milk we add one egg yolk per cup of Esbilac-corn syrup mixture and, at the end of one week, should a puppy still need supplementation, we omit the corn syrup entirely and substitute protein to the Esbilac-egg mixture in the form of two teaspoons scraped raw beef. The time has now come when it is necessary for a puppy to be able to manufacture its own glycogen without depending on sugar to stimulate the pancreatic production of insulin. If sugar is continued, the pancreas can become trigger-happy and whether the blood sugar rises sharply (HyPERglycemia) or drops drastically (HyPOglycemia), the results are the same--stress and possible unconsciousness or even death. When we begin the Esbilac supplemental feedings, we give up the dropper bottle in favor of a nurser bottle and prefer a kitten nurser, which can be purchased through Animal Specialties. Bottle feeding is just as fast as tube feeding and is much more satisfying to both the puppy and the breeder. The puppy’s suckling instinct is preserved and encouraged. It can be completely lost if a puppy is constantly tube feed. |
11-06-2006, 12:28 PM | #11 |
Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va
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| i hope everything is ok. how is mommy doing?
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11-06-2006, 02:35 PM | #12 | |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee
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| How very nice of you to help Quote:
Kudos to you for helping in this dire time..........good job! | |
11-06-2006, 02:41 PM | #13 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Schriever, LA
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| Hi. She had the first two on day 61 and the second two on day 62. Thanks so much for the info...We are going to town to get the stuff to make the solution. Thanks!!!
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11-06-2006, 03:40 PM | #14 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio
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| Did you check to see if they have cleft pallets? I am sorry, but this is all de ja vu for me. This sounds alot like Autumn's labor, and we only had one surving pup, Chewy. Autumn had the dark greenish discharge and two dead puppies that were not fully formed because they had detached from the uterus too early. If they are having troubles latching on please check for cleft pallets. We had two live puppies and two dead puppies. The one we had named Scooter had a cleft pallet and I handfed him for 4 days before we lost him. I do not mean to sound negative, but please, please, check the puppies for cleft pallets. If they have a cleft that would be the reason for not being able to suck.
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11-07-2006, 11:29 AM | #15 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas
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| Any exposure to anything that you can think of that might have caused this (medicines, flea products, lawn chemicals, etc.)? I also thought about the cleft palates, but didn't want to mention it and am hoping they are just a little weak. Definitely something to look for though. Hope all is going well today. Give us an update when you get a minute. |
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