The worst she can do is not work with you on this. I'd give it a shot, and also I would take your dog with you, so she can see for herself the size.

Just to give you all an update, I finally got up the guts to write her an email last night. This morning she responded, thanking me for updating her on the size, because was unaware of why she got such a large pup. However, she was willing to give me a 50% refund or a puppy to make up for it. She was very polite and grateful. I had gotten so worked up over it, thinking the worst...like she'd email me back using profaneity even I don't use haha

I'm not sure what I'm going to do, because her current puppies are another breed and I'm allergic to half of that breed...at least, I was sneezing after playing with them at her farm. She said she had a male yorkie ready to go in a few weeks, but I might want to wait. I'll talk with her to discuss options. I'm just glad we both handled it maturely. :)

Thanks for the advice, it really helped!

Wonderful! I think her offer is very fair and respectible. A lady at my vet's office bought a Yorkie that ended up weighing 17 pounds and the breeder did give her a free one. On your part, if she doesn't have a pup you want right now, just wait. Not the kind of thing you want to rush into. I am so happy this worked out for you:) .

I am so glad for you it worked out...

A friend here bought a boy for her breeding program, he is a year old and weighs in over 8lbs, she bought him from a local Portland Breeder that has a website site professing all he pups will be no larger than 4 lbs at maturity. She has contacted her and has offered nothing not even "I am sorry" This breeder breeds 4 lbs girls and 3-4 lb studs. Just goes to show you!

She is going to place him and start over.

Because I fell in love with Topher and the breeder knew I was looking for a dog in the 6lb range (wanted something easy for me to lift), he gave me quite a large discount on him. The breeder thought that he might get up to 10lbs, and he was right.(Topher is 10lbs of sweetness)
It wouldn't hurt to ask, but being as it wasn't offered, I'm not sure you'd get much of a positive response.

Tophersmom, please read my updated response to my thread, just a few comments above. It did turn out in my favor :)

oops...my apologies. I thought I read all of the posts...must have missed that one!
I'm SO glad that things worked out the way they did. How wonderful when things can be responded to maturely like that. :)

Glad the breeder was willing to work with you. I would definitely want to know if mine ever produced one that large. How much did he weigh at 9 weeks when you got him or 12 weeks? I am just curious to know if his weight was any indication he would be that large.

That lady sounds like a good breeder. Do you have any pictures of your yorkie? Sometimes a big yorkie just comes out because all yorkies were big once upon a time. Don't worry too much about the weight thing. I have had a 6 lb yorkie play fine with a 20lb pug and a 40lb black lab mix. Just as long as you don't get a tiny yorkie you will be fine. If I were you I would just look for one 6lbs +. Your guy should be fine with him and will be happy to have someone to play with!

Just an update, this whole issue has become quite tiresome. The breeder has given me nothing but excuses for four months, now refuses to answer my emails or phone messages. I have looked into a small claims suit so get her to pay attention. I know $650 may not be a lot to some of you, but it really helps in my household...I would be willing to drop it if she would have given me some reason rather than lying and hiding.

If you own a business, small or not, you need to handle issues in a timely manner and four months is by no means timely. When she could put aside $40 a week in this time to give me a partial refund, there is no excuse. If she did not intend, or could not afford, to give me the refund then she should not have offered it.

In my opinion, this woman should NOT be responsible for breeding animals. She has four different breeds; yorkshire terrier, cocker spaniel, cockapoo, and english mastiff. I wish I had never dealt with her...but then I wouldn't have Tucker.

It's just embarrassing to have people ask what breed he is and try to explain that he's a FULL-BRED yorkshire terrier who weighs 23 lbs. (<-- current weigh-in) I offered several times to take him to the vet to have a confirmation of his weight and height faxed directly to her from the vet's office. She will not even reply to that.

I have documentation of her stating several times that she was planning on sending it, had sent it, and would have to send it again. All jibberish. If we go to small claims court, she will not only be responsible for paying me the money owed, but also to cover the fees involved with the suit. I really don't think she wants to deal with that. I spoke to several legal consultants there who told me my rights, as long as I had documentation of her stating the refund. This is such a headache. I just want her to realize you can't ignore things and hope the other party forgets or drops it. I really don't want this to become uglier than it already has, but SEVENTEEN e-mails unanswered is just ridiculous.

So...we thought we had a happy ending back then...here we go again! :(

P.S. Tucker is doing just peachy though. He is a truck! Completely healthy, but he has finally topped out at 23 lbs. He can jump up into my arms when I walk in the door and take a treat from my mouth while I'm standing straight (I'm 5'7" tall, too!) It's cute, but it really comes down to paying for a dog that is unrecognized as being the breed he is. It is really embarrassing. If he had been a mixed breed, it would be a different story. However, I paid a nice price for a pure-breed and expected your typical seven lbs and under specimen. Oh, I'll hush now. I'm just in need of a soapbox with the issue. Sorry :)

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You might try another letter...tell her you are going to contact AKC for the parents to be DNA'ed...might wake her up...of course you are not going to do that, as it is expensive for you to do...but I would tell her you do not want others to get cheated as you did on the size.

PS...they had some very strick animal laws in south Florida (Broward/Dade)...did she sell this pup from her home..she can be fined $2000 if so.

I didn't think about DNA testing. I wish I could contact other buyers from that litter, and prior litters, to see how their pups turned out. I will give that a try. I do not like threatening, but she isn't listening otherwise. It seems nothing intimidates her.

She does breed and sell from her home. However, she is in Old Town near Gainesville. I'm not sure of those laws applying to her county. I will check into it, though.

Thank you for the advice. We'll see how it goes. :)

I just received a response via email from her. She said she had been recovering from surgery and was unable to check her email until today. It seems very odd that the first time in four months that she checks her email is the day I send her one with the subject line stating I had looked into legal action. I want to feel bad and believe her, but it's really hard at this point. I don't wish anything ill on her and I hope she is indeed healthy, but I can't help but think it sounds like another lie. She has begun to sound like a broken record to me.

She stated she would send me a personal check tomorrow; I had mentioned at this point not trusting her to send a personal check and asked she send a money order and make out a receipt for both of us to have copies of. She said if I can't take her check, to get over it.

I'll tell you this much, I am completely over dealing with difficult people. Phew. Whether she really sends a check or not, this story is over. I just can't handle this stress. It's not worth it.

I do not think this is really true. I think there is an article on line that has that "30 pound line" in it and it keeps getting repeated. I have The Complete Yorkshire Terrier and it has a cute little Champion from the early 1900's that is only 1 3/4 pound! I have not found anything about 30 pound Yorkies in recognized reference resources. They may have existed, but they were not being shown. A good place to look is the YTCA.org site -- this is the organization that SETS the breed standard for the AKC. It says:
"Almost all of the classes were divided by weight. The classes were for Broken Haired or Rough Scotch Terriers less than 5 lbs. or 6 lbs. and under; Toy Terriers 4 lbs. and under, or 5 lbs. not exceeding 7 lbs., or 6 lbs. and over; or Blue Scotch Terriers under 7 lbs. or 7 lbs. not
exceeding 9 lbs. The largest weight class in which they were reported
to have been shown was for Broken Haired Scotch Terrier 9 lbs. not exceeding 12 lbs. This record should prove that although there were larger Yorkshires they were not being shown at the dog shows. The record proves that the small size was available for breeding from early days. "

From your previous post you stated that the mom had curly hair? Are you sure this was a yorkie and not like a silky? I mean 23lbs? And if the bitch had 7 puppies with that wide a range of weight I would be concerned she wasn't combining litters. And on top of that she let him go at 7 weeks???

She is NOT a reputable breeder and I would only except a refund from her and not another puppy no telling what you'll get the second time around.

I don't care what ANYONE says if a breeder sales a dog that goes THAT FAR over standard I would do SOMETHING as a breeder for the owner and ask that the owner not give out my name as a breeder because what kind of reputation is she establishing for herself?? Just like you said people are asking you if Topher is a purebreed yorkie. I mean I wouldn't buy from her if that is what here line is producing. And I already know that breeders cannot predict weight but 23lbs is extreme. She doesn't know what the hell she is doing and doesn't care either with 5 different breeds. She's probably breeding outside of standard with everyone. :mad:

Tell her you are posting your experience on the message boards giving out her information and that you will post her a bad breeder all across FL. YT has a FARRRRRR reach and we can get the word passed around. Make sure you list her as a bad breeder in the Breeder / For Sale section too.

If you want a trusted breeder you can PM me and I will get you Jaxson's breeder info. She is in Pinellas Park.

Why would you even want to go back to a breeder that is either dishonest or stupid? Why don't you go on petfinders and look around. Fill out an application at one of the Yorkie Rescues. Let Tucker help pick out his sister. They are the best judge of character anyway.

I would definately contact the breeder. I would probably want her to see your Tucker. She needs to be made aware that one of her puppies turned out so far above standard. If she knows this has happened before, then she should not breed those two together again.

As far as giving you a discount on the next "large" puppy... that would be up to her. I know I would feel obligated to do something to even things up a bit if I had sold a dog that had turned out far from standard, but she won't be legally obligated to discount the next one. It can't hurt to ask though. I am glad Tucker turned out to be such a great pet!

. It is important to note that the Yorkshire Terrier up until the 1930?s usually weighed approximately 30 pounds, not the 3 to 7 pounds it does today. [/QUOTE]


First of all this is 2007 and the 21st century, I don't want a dog w/standards from the 1800's to the 1930's and 19th century on top of that!:eek:

If a bitch has a throw back from THAT far back then she needs a refund PERIOD!:mad:

why would you she have shown you his father and not his mother? the mother must be quite large with having a litter of 7. she's obviously breeding a large female, all good breeders let you see both of the parents especially the mother. she knows exactly what she's breeding and it is not for standard it's for profit! i'm sorry to hear that you have go through this she should make it right for you.

Good luck with getting that partial refund. I would pursue this, if only on principle alone. What may help is having a legal notice drafted, informing her that if she does not send you a refund by a certain date, you will seek legal action. People sometimes take the "real" mail more seriously than email.

I would also like to know the name of the breeder. I live in Florida and want to make sure to stay away from her when I get my second yorkie.

My mother-in-law had almost the same problem....she bought a "yorkie" from a breeder here in Indiana, which the breeder told her that he was going to be a bigger yorkie and that was ok with her. He is 15lbs and looks nothing like a yorkie. I've told her from the begining (she brought him home when he was 6 weeks old!!! RED FLAG) that I thought he was mixed with somthing else, but she insists that he is a yorkie (you know since he has AKC papers) She has even had another breeder who has seen her dog say that he wasn't a yorkie but a silky terrier! Anyway she loves the dog and wouldn't trade him for anything. My point being, if you get a refund Great!, but if you don't at least you have a pet you love dearly. And do as much as you can to report her and let other potiential buyers beware.

P.S. If you're looking for him a friend, you might look into silky terriers. I don't know much about the breed but they sure do look a lot similar to yorkies, and they're bigger. Maybe someone who knows more can further comment.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Get a rescue that's 1-3 years old (so that they are close in age) then you'll know what size he or she is.

I did a search for yorkie on petfinder. Here's the link:

http://search.petfinder.com/search/search.cgi

It looks like there is a yorkie-specific rescue in Davey, Fl.

Wow, I'm so sorry you are going through this. I hope everything works out with the breeder.

If she sold you Tucker with AKC registration I would go to the AKC page & make a complaint. A local breeder here had a 6lb mom & 4 lb dad. He discounted a pup as pet because he expected it would be around 12lbs, just a freak thing I guess. Or maybe one or the other had a bigger dog in its gene pull. ??? I know what you mean about being able to rough them up, my girl is at the low end of the standards & I am constantly reminding myself to be more gentle with her, takes some of the fun out of it. Well Good Luck

You might call her & tell her that if any one else has had this issue & are not happy w/there dog you are interested in it, if they would like to find it a good home, but I wouldnt give her another dime.

I am sorry to hijack this thread..I just happened to read about culling puppies...Does it really happen?!!! :eek: