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011011 · 09-08-2006, 02:43 PM

As far as genetics, wouldn't both parents have to carry the recessive gene in order for it to turn out in the litter? So why would you spay one and not the other?
I was not saying spay the female or male that produced it.I said definatly spay the blue pup that was born.Would you spay both female and male if they had a blue or off color pup if they were your breeding pair?Or would you try them with other females and males?Just curious what ya think about it all.
I honestly do not know if both woudl have to have the recessive gene.I have talked to alot of breeders about this and they all have different opinions about it.I think it is strange that there is so many of them and some of them coming out of good bloodlines?

pnsyorkies · 09-08-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Granted, this is just my personal opinion, but figuring out where this is coming from by researching the genetic background of both the mother and the father (which should have been done PRIOR to this breeding, right?) seems like the way to go, NOT just try again and see if you get lucky and can deem the problem fixed.

Say it is the female, and she doesn't produce one with the next litter...you wouldn't know now would you?

I know it sucks when you come to realize that a dog you'd hope would be sound stock just isn't what they need to be....trust me, we recently made a hard decision to spay a female because of this. But IMO, it's the responsible way to go. Surely you understand this having owned and lost a blue before? Why wouldn't you go to any lengths neccessary to keep yourself or someone else from having to go through this again?

1 . the female and male were tested prior to this breeding being the first time breeding took place on my property ...
2. is tehre a test that determines gene for the blue dominant before breeding ???
((if so I've never been told or have even heard this one before being a breeder for 8 + yrs I think I would have been told mentored of the fact or read this somewhere ....

3. I don't now nor never have intended to breed anything other then standard for this breed ...
4. I bought a blue before not knowing the alpecia (SP??) defects of the color or even the word ... just wanted the pup ... Raised blue dobies before and never had a problem with my male or female .. skin or health ...

I will try to breed her again with anotehr male and if this does persist she wil be spayed .. no question about it .... I'm sure that neither I nor the person in which I got her knew of **since she has never produced a litter ** of this genetic flaw in either dog or bitch ...
not her fault not mine .. it happens

pnsyorkies · 09-08-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 011011

As far as genetics, wouldn't both parents have to carry the recessive gene in order for it to turn out in the litter? So why would you spay one and not the other?
I was not saying spay the female or male that produced it.I said definatly spay the blue pup that was born.Would you spay both female and male if they had a blue or off color pup if they were your breeding pair?Or would you try them with other females and males?Just curious what ya think about it all.
I honestly do not know if both woudl have to have the recessive gene.I have talked to alot of breeders about this and they all have different opinions about it.I think it is strange that there is so many of them and some of them coming out of good bloodlines?

I personally do notknow what to think of this .. I have had pups from the male and no blue pups /have just recently bred him to a bitch Ive had for 8+ yrs and we will see . Ive never gotten any blue born pups from her nor any other off color .. so I figure it might have something to do with this female or the combination of the two dogs together .. so the blue pup is not going to be left as is he will be nuetered . MY main question is this

***** should I or should I NOT spay the female pup from a blue producing litter ????? ****

again please remember I opened this thread for education not a debate ... when it gets into a debate I will stop Posting ...i dont intened to argue with anyone about this ....Not necsarily quoteing anyone on this OK ....
just replying to the thread let me make that perfectly clear ..
educate dont debate this ..

kitty · 09-08-2006, 04:55 PM

I understand your question and not know much about this subject I would think that it would be desirable to spay the female pup from this litter. If her litter mate has the gene then she is most likely a carrier of the gene. Wouldn't you think?

pnsyorkies · 09-08-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kitty

I understand your question and not know much about this subject I would think that it would be desirable to spay the female pup from this litter. If her litter mate has the gene then she is most likely a carrier of the gene. Wouldn't you think?

Well this would be my thinking yes .... I'd be more apt. to believe she'd have the gene ... as well as we already know that he does ...

Whether the actual dogs who produce this are full ... well I'd think they are .... all dogs can carry recessive genes can they not ...???

another good question to have answered .
Thanks

011011 · 09-08-2006, 07:22 PM

I cannot tell you what to do with the female for I do not know.She would probably have to be bred with the male that has it also I guess I honestly do not know Not enough research on this and I wish there was.The two I have had were males,I know RIni had a female but I wonder if it goes mostly with males also,for most postings are about male blues and not females?
I have seen the blue dobies only in pictures.Mine were big and FAT little guys also but turned out about 6 pds full grown.

pnsyorkies · 09-08-2006, 08:47 PM

The only two blue born pups that I know of were also male we might have a**whats the word Im looking for here ..... with always being male ... Ive not known of any females so far ...
anyway ... the smaller of the two the girl who is black and tan is faultering so looks like I will only have the male BLue born pup left ... this happens .... she has been supplimented every day but too tiny .. hate these tinies people .. do not like dealing with them .. she will definitely be bred to anotehr male next time NO DOUBT ABOUT IT >>
thanks

lreed · 09-08-2006, 09:55 PM

One of my friends had a "blue" Yorkie that lived a very long and healthy life. She said he had always been blue. Her brother raised Yorkies and they were always a steel grey (or blue). She didn't know that they are usually born black and tan (or gold). Her dog had a great coat also.

011011 · 09-09-2006, 04:30 AM

Sorry to hear about your little one.Maybe it will pull through yet?
So I am not the only one that has had blues and then got in a full coat.But mine turned black and did not stay the grey or blue color???? And not all the blues have problems.
Jillian is the only female that I know of that has been blue (Rini's).And she did have hair loss as an adult and had other problems also.But like I have said before with yorkies look at all the problems they can have without being the wrong color.I am not saying it is okay to breed for them just defending the little stinkers for it upsets me when they talk bad about them for they are yorkies non the less the only difference is their coats, and some do have health problems.If you go to sick and injured look at all the health problems they have without being blues reds etc...So if you get one in your litter it is not the end of the world they are not a heartache or anything else they have been called .They are misfits I guess.Nicer way to put it.
But I do wonder how we can get these off colors out of good bloodlines???????

011011 · 09-09-2006, 04:44 AM

I do know of a lady that breeds for the reds in Iowa.She has had a couple that are ill all the time always something wrong with them.They have shorter hair on them But people want them I guess and she sells all her litters.I would never buy one.Some of these breeders do not care about the off colors they sell for the rare color ,think it is something special.I for one keep in touch with my babies when they leave and still worry about them today for the future of them (health wise) I am the one who bred them so I am responsible.
Maybe the gene pool is too mixed and that is why we are getting these colors out of good bloodlines???
I for one was very upset seeing those colors in my whelping box but nothing you can do about it but hope the little ones are healthy .But you get over being worried and wondering how they are going to turn out.What will happen will happen.I just thank god mine were okay and healthy to this day.The males seemed to be very big and I thought they would be very big boys but they did not, they are about 6pds today but when they were little they were MUCH bigger than the rest of the litter.
Is your little guy a big boy also????
Any one else have any input on this? Sylvan ,Tx shopper or yorkie rose???

doortego · 09-09-2006, 05:36 AM

I have tried real hard not to say this but just feel it needs to be said. I am certainly not trying to offend anyone but if this a recessive gene that is in both parents and pups, I don't feel that any of them should be bred again. Even if the pups you are producing/selling don't show the signs of the condition, there is a good chance that it will show up again farther down the line. Probably the reason it is showing up more & more is because more standard looking pups are carrying the recessive gene. The only way to stop this is to not breed any of the animals that have produced a blue born pup or were in the litter with a blue born pup. That truly would be breeding to better the Yorkie breed.

I know that is not a good money making avenue but it would be best for the breed. Sorry if I seem cold, I truly am not. I just want the best for the animals affected. Good luck to you.

011011 · 09-09-2006, 09:54 AM

No offense taken at all this thread is for information and trying to understand what is going on with these off colors.Any ones opinions are welcome.
Seems alot have different opinions on this.
Hard to say to spay them though for I know very reputable breeders that are using the reds and chocolates as breeders.Males and females!
I wonder if they will in the future have a test for this gene?????Or do they now not that I know of!
Some of these colors are coming out of good bloodlines also.So I guess I cant say to spay them,it is everyones own choice what to do with their own situation.So to completely get rid of these off colors you would have to spay the whole pedigree line then, for you never know who it came from??? And I do not know anyone who would want to do that!
There is no blue in our lines either so where did it come from?????

pnsyorkies · 09-10-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 011011

No offense taken at all this thread is for information and trying to understand what is going on with these off colors.Any ones opinions are welcome.
Seems alot have different opinions on this.
Hard to say to spay them though for I know very reputable breeders that are using the reds and chocolates as breeders.Males and females!
I wonder if they will in the future have a test for this gene?????Or do they now not that I know of!
Some of these colors are coming out of good bloodlines also.So I guess I cant say to spay them,it is everyones own choice what to do with their own situation.So to completely get rid of these off colors you would have to spay the whole pedigree line then, for you never know who it came from??? And I do not know anyone who would want to do that!
There is no blue in our lines either so where did it come from?????

Ok let me say this .. and I mean this with all of my heart .. I agree with parts of every thing said here ... MY OPINION .... and I agree that everyone has one OPINION that is... I want to educate here .... and so far its been very benificial to me to learn what Ihaev already .Ive taken a good hard long look daily at my lilman .. and he is a sweetie ... and I love him even though he is not completely right in color ... dont like hissmall size but guess I will deal with that ...as I deal with other things life throws my way ..
Ive taken some picts ** I know didn't finish my train of thought here but oh well this is me take it or leave it .. ** he is now looking more of a chocolate hue or a deep deep dark grey funny color he is becomeing ...
here are some picts help me determine this color I'm so confused here

pnsyorkies · 09-10-2006, 10:43 AM

also would like to say this ... it is and has always been each and every person alive todays own choice what they do on a day to day basis and which direction the choose to go in .. I cannot make someone do things my way nor would I want them to .. i cannot make someone follow my lead nor would Iw ant them to .... we can fight or talk til we are blue in teh face .. and its not going to change everyones mind about the things they want or need or are going to do anyway no matter what we say . I don't now nor never will enforce my ways of thinking on anyone ... not my style .... Just be honest as best you can with the things you do ... No breeder is perfect or as perfect as they'd want everyone to believe OH HELL HERE COMES THE BASHING ,,, and trust me I dont care ...
sticks and stones may crush my bones but ya werds will never phase me

People just need to do the best they can .. its thier choices after all thier lives thier opinions ... besides I know who I am who I want to be what I want to do ..... Don't need my BS shoved down thier throats

pnsyorkies · 09-10-2006, 10:46 AM

didn't mean to get so political there LMAO ... ok I love MY yorkies .....

we are all a piece of the puzzle ... where we fit in eachothers lives is just as confussing as the puzzle itself ... but it can be aranged into a beautiful picture

09-08-2006, 04:55 PM	#34
kitty My Best Friend Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oklahoma Posts: 2,258	I understand your question and not know much about this subject I would think that it would be desirable to spay the female pup from this litter. If her litter mate has the gene then she is most likely a carrier of the gene. Wouldn't you think? __________________ Support our Troops :

09-08-2006, 07:22 PM	#36
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	I cannot tell you what to do with the female for I do not know.She would probably have to be bred with the male that has it also I guess I honestly do not know Not enough research on this and I wish there was.The two I have had were males,I know RIni had a female but I wonder if it goes mostly with males also,for most postings are about male blues and not females? I have seen the blue dobies only in pictures.Mine were big and FAT little guys also but turned out about 6 pds full grown. Last edited by 011011; 09-08-2006 at 07:25 PM.

09-08-2006, 08:47 PM	#37
pnsyorkies Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: mississippi Posts: 66	The only two blue born pups that I know of were also male we might have a**whats the word Im looking for here ..... with always being male ... Ive not known of any females so far ... anyway ... the smaller of the two the girl who is black and tan is faultering so looks like I will only have the male BLue born pup left ... this happens .... she has been supplimented every day but too tiny .. hate these tinies people .. do not like dealing with them .. she will definitely be bred to anotehr male next time NO DOUBT ABOUT IT >> thanks __________________ [B][COLOR="Red"]some are here because they hope to make a differnce,Others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out " in no time .

09-10-2006, 10:43 AM	#44
pnsyorkies Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: mississippi Posts: 66	also would like to say this ... it is and has always been each and every person alive todays own choice what they do on a day to day basis and which direction the choose to go in .. I cannot make someone do things my way nor would I want them to .. i cannot make someone follow my lead nor would Iw ant them to .... we can fight or talk til we are blue in teh face .. and its not going to change everyones mind about the things they want or need or are going to do anyway no matter what we say . I don't now nor never will enforce my ways of thinking on anyone ... not my style .... Just be honest as best you can with the things you do ... No breeder is perfect or as perfect as they'd want everyone to believe OH HELL HERE COMES THE BASHING ,,, and trust me I dont care ... sticks and stones may crush my bones but ya werds will never phase me People just need to do the best they can .. its thier choices after all thier lives thier opinions ... besides I know who I am who I want to be what I want to do ..... Don't need my BS shoved down thier throats __________________ [B][COLOR="Red"]some are here because they hope to make a differnce,Others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out " in no time .

09-10-2006, 10:46 AM	#45
pnsyorkies Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: mississippi Posts: 66	didn't mean to get so political there LMAO ... ok I love MY yorkies ..... we are all a piece of the puzzle ... where we fit in eachothers lives is just as confussing as the puzzle itself ... but it can be aranged into a beautiful picture __________________ [B][COLOR="Red"]some are here because they hope to make a differnce,Others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out " in no time .

09-08-2006, 02:43 PM	#31
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	As far as genetics, wouldn't both parents have to carry the recessive gene in order for it to turn out in the litter? So why would you spay one and not the other? I was not saying spay the female or male that produced it.I said definatly spay the blue pup that was born.Would you spay both female and male if they had a blue or off color pup if they were your breeding pair?Or would you try them with other females and males?Just curious what ya think about it all. I honestly do not know if both woudl have to have the recessive gene.I have talked to alot of breeders about this and they all have different opinions about it.I think it is strange that there is so many of them and some of them coming out of good bloodlines?

09-08-2006, 09:55 PM	#38
lreed YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 337	One of my friends had a "blue" Yorkie that lived a very long and healthy life. She said he had always been blue. Her brother raised Yorkies and they were always a steel grey (or blue). She didn't know that they are usually born black and tan (or gold). Her dog had a great coat also.

09-09-2006, 04:30 AM	#39
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	Sorry to hear about your little one.Maybe it will pull through yet? So I am not the only one that has had blues and then got in a full coat.But mine turned black and did not stay the grey or blue color???? And not all the blues have problems. Jillian is the only female that I know of that has been blue (Rini's).And she did have hair loss as an adult and had other problems also.But like I have said before with yorkies look at all the problems they can have without being the wrong color.I am not saying it is okay to breed for them just defending the little stinkers for it upsets me when they talk bad about them for they are yorkies non the less the only difference is their coats, and some do have health problems.If you go to sick and injured look at all the health problems they have without being blues reds etc...So if you get one in your litter it is not the end of the world they are not a heartache or anything else they have been called .They are misfits I guess.Nicer way to put it. But I do wonder how we can get these off colors out of good bloodlines???????

09-09-2006, 04:44 AM	#40
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	I do know of a lady that breeds for the reds in Iowa.She has had a couple that are ill all the time always something wrong with them.They have shorter hair on them But people want them I guess and she sells all her litters.I would never buy one.Some of these breeders do not care about the off colors they sell for the rare color ,think it is something special.I for one keep in touch with my babies when they leave and still worry about them today for the future of them (health wise) I am the one who bred them so I am responsible. Maybe the gene pool is too mixed and that is why we are getting these colors out of good bloodlines??? I for one was very upset seeing those colors in my whelping box but nothing you can do about it but hope the little ones are healthy .But you get over being worried and wondering how they are going to turn out.What will happen will happen.I just thank god mine were okay and healthy to this day.The males seemed to be very big and I thought they would be very big boys but they did not, they are about 6pds today but when they were little they were MUCH bigger than the rest of the litter. Is your little guy a big boy also???? Any one else have any input on this? Sylvan ,Tx shopper or yorkie rose???

09-09-2006, 05:36 AM	#41
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	I have tried real hard not to say this but just feel it needs to be said. I am certainly not trying to offend anyone but if this a recessive gene that is in both parents and pups, I don't feel that any of them should be bred again. Even if the pups you are producing/selling don't show the signs of the condition, there is a good chance that it will show up again farther down the line. Probably the reason it is showing up more & more is because more standard looking pups are carrying the recessive gene. The only way to stop this is to not breed any of the animals that have produced a blue born pup or were in the litter with a blue born pup. That truly would be breeding to better the Yorkie breed. I know that is not a good money making avenue but it would be best for the breed. Sorry if I seem cold, I truly am not. I just want the best for the animals affected. Good luck to you.

09-09-2006, 09:54 AM	#42
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	No offense taken at all this thread is for information and trying to understand what is going on with these off colors.Any ones opinions are welcome. Seems alot have different opinions on this. Hard to say to spay them though for I know very reputable breeders that are using the reds and chocolates as breeders.Males and females! I wonder if they will in the future have a test for this gene?????Or do they now not that I know of! Some of these colors are coming out of good bloodlines also.So I guess I cant say to spay them,it is everyones own choice what to do with their own situation.So to completely get rid of these off colors you would have to spay the whole pedigree line then, for you never know who it came from??? And I do not know anyone who would want to do that! There is no blue in our lines either so where did it come from?????