Interesting Questions

[daisysis]

I have been thinking about this post and it has really starting to bother me I, HOWEVER..are you a breeder??? how did you learn about these question?? why are you a breeder ?? why did you start breeding???

[daisysis]

sorry i just went and re read or info came from oop's
21st Century Animal Resource & Education Services

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by daisysis

I have been thinking about this post and it has really starting to bother me I, HOWEVER..are you a breeder??? how did you learn about these question?? why are you a breeder ?? why did you start breeding???

Yes, Sylvan is a breeder.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Great questions and alot of them! Can I answer all of them? NO!!!! Several I had to think about, a few were really a matter of opinion to a breeder, many were mandatory, some were plain silly to me! Nope couldnt answer them !!

Back to the drawing board. Still alot to learn.

Gess I thought I knew everthing

[Rae Rae]

I looked at a few, I didn't know any of them! I guess it's a good thing I don't plan on breeding, LOL

[YorkieRose]

I will speak my mind as I always seem to do LOL...some questions are aimed at a stud owner..so the bitch owner starting out would not need to be able to answer ALL of those type from start..BUT if you own a stud you should be able to 100%...plus some.

Bitch should be able to answer all the questions pretaining to the bitch/gestation/whelping and litter..if not, get the information before starting another litter.

Many are opinions..as "how many people are needed to perform a C-section"..totally an opinion. My vet and I have done perfectly well with the two of us..ideally 3 would make me happier. See my point? If it is a litter of Dobies or Labs, you may need 5 people, but 2 people can handle a litter of 3 or 4 Yorks perfectly fine.


And when you think you know everything, rethink that thought, NEVER say you know everything about breeding, I know you really did not mean it that way....I have never meet any breeder who could not learn.

I would NEVER breed another litter until I sat down and made a list of each question and got a variety of answers from well seasoned breeders, put them in a notebook and referred to them from time to time when needed...this is something anyone can do to prepare.
Best wishes

[BamaFan121s]

Yeah...I get what your saying about opinions Pat. I think some of these questions are more to raise awareness and spark contemplation than they are to actually have an "answer."

[BamaFan121s]

OK, so let me get your opinions on this: I have recently heard from other breeders/enthusiasts that [I]their[I] opinion is that your knowledge before breeding should go WAY beyond these questions and include the list below BEFORE breeding...terminology included, obviously. And she stands firmly by this. There are many well-respected breeders here, I'm curious as to what your thoughts on this are? Granted, I understand some of this information is important, but honestly...how many people know the exact day of gestation--off the top of their head--that gender is decided? Reason I ask, this information all comes from an online must-know-about-breeding acticle written in 1996! Kind of distrubing, if you ask me that one wouldn't look for something more vital and hands on before breeding.

1. Embryo will be 4 cells at the start of week 1 of gestation. How many cells by the end of the week?

2. Why is it not safe to administer live vaccines or flea treatments during the first week of gestation?

3. How susceptible is the embryo to external developmental interference during the first week of gestation?

4. On what day does implantation of the embryos in the uterus occur?

5. During which week do the eyes and spinal cords develop?

6. What is organogenesis and when does it begin?

7. During which week can gender be determined?

8. During which week does organogenesis end?

9. During which week does skin pigment develop in fetuses?

10. During which week can you hear fetal heartbeats?

11. What is lochia?

12. During which week does the development of toes, whisker buds and claws occur?

13. After what point in the pregnancy can it be said the embryos are fairly resistant to interference with development?

14. List the reasons to limit ultrasound useage.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Hi...

I just wanted to clarify on my earlier post, I was just trying to be silly. Everyone of those questions are great, none of them are silly, I just meant I couldnt answer some right off the top of my head.....so I said they were silly, because silly me couldnt answer them.
Do I know everything.............that also was said in jest.........Holy cow not even close!!!...........its always a learning experience...........I can learn alot from the more experienced breeders here. If Im not open to changing, learning, honest opinions, I need to hang it up.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies

Hi...

I just wanted to clarify on my earlier post, I was just trying to be silly. Everyone of those questions are great, none of them are silly, I just meant I couldnt answer some right off the top of my head.....so I said they were silly, because silly me couldnt answer them.
Do I know everything.............that also was said in jest.........Holy cow not even close!!!...........its always a learning experience...........I can learn alot from the more experienced breeders here. If Im not open to changing, learning, honest opinions, I need to hang it up.

I agree!! I seriously doubt any of us know it all.

[YorkieRose]

First..Kelly, do not retract what you said..some do not apply to a bitch owner, to anyone who does not plan to sell the litter, some are a bit silly, because we are talking about Yorkies, not a large breed..

Bama...all I can do is give my opinion as a "common sense" breeder..

1...unimportant to me. Knowing the amount of cells by the end of the first week is totally a non-issue..what in the heck could I do about too many cells..common sense

2... In this day and age of awareness, it is common sense not to adminster anything of this nature to a pregnant human or canine.

3...use reasonable common sense as with a human..why take any risks for a short 9 week period..

4...unimportant to me..when they implant changes nothing I do..just so they implant..and only Mother Nature controls that..common sense.

5, 6, 7, 8, 9, ...totally a non-issue for me..I can not change a thing or correct it..common sense

10...interesting to hear a heart beat..as rule at 4 weeks with dopler..but I have had dozens of healthy litters and never even listened...if the vet or myself heard a problem with a pups heart..what can we do until after whelping...heck what can you do then..they are too small and young..pray to get them to 6 or 8 weeks so they are strong enough for whatever..many, many heart murmurs correct by 6 months, so most vet watch a minor murmur....common sense.

11...lochia is bleeding after whelping or birth..same with a human...goes through stages of color and amount..a breeder shoudl be able to recognize what is health lochia and what is not..

12...not important..what can I do if I knew a pup was missing toes..heck, I can not do anything even after whelping..it goes through life with a missing toe..common sense..a missing toe will not shorten a life, BUT I want the correct amount of everything!!!!

13...After whelping, I stop being concerned about the fetuses..then I am concerned for them as puppies..common sense

14 I do not see a need for for ultra sound, but that is my opinion..I want an xray and read by a pro... never used ultra sound.

[BamaFan121s]

As always...thanks Pat. I think I was just floored when I heard that this should be "common knowledge" for breeders. It was very comical to me to say the least. Whew...just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing it and wasn't the only one who felt that way!

[Willow]

Thank you!! It was the stud questions that threw me! But I don't have a stud, so I guess they really didn't pretain to me? Now the questions about whelping and gestation I found to be common sense and pretty much knew off the top of my head, but I am STILL going to look all of them up! And I like your idea of a notebook!

Thank you for your input!

[YorkieRose]

You sound very serious..even though you do not own a stud, you want to learn the answers to those questions too, but I would not fault anyone for not being quite as quick...the quality of the stud is very impotant to you..so you want to recognize good attributes...proper testing, to protect yourself, you need to know the stud owners responsiblity, guarantee, contract, you need to know if it is a naturall breeding or AI..I had a stud owner do an AI without asking me first..I was not a happy camper. I have heard more males are born with AI then females, so I would have declined and used another stud.

[feminvstr]

Fertilization

96 hrs.
Divides into two cells
120 hrs.
Divides into four cells
144 hrs.
Divides into eight cells
192 hrs.
The morula is constituted
9 days
The morula installs itself in the uterus
A blastocyte is formed, which is still floating around freely in the uterus
18 days
The placentas are developed
20 days
The ovules have changed in shape in order to become embryos that adhere to the walls of the uterine horns; the nervous system is already formed
22-28 days
Development of eyes and spinal cords
Faces take shape
28 days
The embryos are already oval shaped & measure approx. 14-18 mm
29-35 days
Development of toes, whisker buds, and claws
Fetuses look like dogs
Gender can be determined
Eyes (previously open) now close
30 days
The sexual characteristics are already present and the eyes are covered by the eyelids
36-42 days
Development of skin pigment
Fetal heartbeats can be heard with stethoscope
40 days
The abdominal swelling is already noticeable in the mother, especially if there is a considerable number of puppies
43-49 days
Growth and development continues
45 days
From this moment on, the growth of the fetus is very fast
50-57 days
Fetal movement can be detected when bitch is at rest
51 days
The bones of the fetuses are already calcified and therefore can be seen by means of x-rays in order to verify their positioning and approximate number
57 days
The fetuses have already completed their prenatal development and are ready to be born. From the 58th day on, whelping is imminent
58-65 days
Growth and Development continues; whelping can occur 58-65 days from conception.

Lochia (vaginal discharge) should be reddish to reddish-brown (green is okay on first day).