confused
 

How can biewers,chocolate be registered akc? This says different.http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/

if your honest they cant...
 

HI,
The Biewer Yorkie originated in Germany on January 20, 1984 from a breeding by Gertrude and Werner Biewer's Yorkshire Terriers.
EACH DOG HELD a recessive gene to create "a piebald".
Its a genetic fluke, being used to make money just like Labradoodles or Yorkapoos.
In this particular litter they produced a piebald Yorkie puppy from a genetic recessive gene. This piebald puppy's registered name was Schneefloeckchen von Friedheck ( Snowflake) Sire: Darling von Friedheck a FCI World Junior Champion in Dortmund in 1981 Dam: Fru-Fru von Friedheck a FCI World Junior Championess in Dortmund in 1981. Gertrude and Werner Biewer found this puppy to be quite beautiful and began a selective breeding process to produce more piebald puppies. Gertrude and Werner Biewer named these Yorkie with white markings "Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom Pon". It was from these breedings the Biewer Yorkie was developed. The breed was officially recognized in 1986 by the ACH ( allgemeiner Club der Hundefreunde Deutschland - ACH-L e. V ). Some American breeders are importing Biewers and crossing them with the Yorkshire Terriers and calling them Biewer Yorkies.
They can ONLY be registered with the ABC, GERMANY, IABCA, RARITIES, and NCA, APRI, ACR, BYA, WRV

A chockolate is alse a genetic miss..and should not be breed for!
Now on the hand done registration form you can use the "chocolate" designation...but its MEANT FOR LABS AND SUCH...not a yorkie.

Any help?

Sorry, I'm no help. I have no clue! :idontknow

Hi i am from Germany but i have never seen a Biewer's Yorkie in my live
only pictures of them on this site they are cute ,but i like the Yorkie's best.:aimeeyork :aimeeyork :aimeeyork :D

Biewers are not AKC registered, but partis are. I'm not sure about the chocolate.

Maybe the AKC website needs updating.

I have a chocolate yorkie and she is AKC registered as a chocolate. I had to send in pictures of a side, front and back view. I have her AKC papers.

"It's a genetic fluke, being used to make money just like Labradoodles or Yorkapoos."


While I disagree with this statement, though there are unfortunate examples of people breeding for greed in every breed out there, it is true that Biewer Yorkshire Terriers are not eligible for AKC registration as they are of German pedigree,....Parti colored and Chocolate yorkies are eligible if they were bred from AKC parentage.

I do know that the parti's can be registered AKC, and it looks like it's the same with the chocolates. Both parents have to be AKC registered, and they are not eligible for confirmation shows. Not sure about other shows though. AKC doesn't set the standard... the standard is set by the Club -- in the case of Yorkshire Terriers -- it's the YTCA. Please anyone with more information, correct me if I've got my wires crossed on this!

(Thanks Stacy... you got this posted before I did... and I KNOW you know what you're talking about!)

The Biewer Yorkshire Terrier can not be registered under the AKC. They are registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terriers with several German Registries. They are considered a breed of their own, with a set standard. Three colors on the head (blue, brown/gold and white) -- chest, paws and tummy -- white, the tail is not docked, and the tip of it must be white -- and the back is a mixture of black(blue) and white. Biewer Yorkshire Terriers are not a "mixed" breed -- their ancestors were traditional Yorkshire Terriers that carried a recessive piebald gene.

There seems to be some disagreement between some breeders -- both here, as well as in Germany, as to bringing a traditional Yorkshire Terrier back into the mix. From my research, I believe this is done very carefully, in order to bring back the color, and due to some health issues that could come up with breeding generation after generation of the Biewers. A reputable breeder would only do this under specific direction, by using the best quality yorkie, in order to keep the quality of the breed up. They don't just throw any old dog into the mix... those are the ones who are probably doing this for "the money!"

If you're interested in finding out more -- you can do a search to find some of the old threads -- or contact some of the breeders. A good one to check out is magnoliasmagnificentyorkies.com -- but there are others out there as well.

Just to note: I don't want this post to start any "fights"... this is just my observations. I'm sure there will be someone else who is much more experenced than I am -- so please correct me if there is anything I have stated in error!

Do you feel the same way about the dachshund (Dapple), boxer (Brindle), great dane's (Boston patterned) to name just a few AKC breeds that are breed for the piebald gene. I am not sure if their clubs accept these as standards or not but I don't think they are all in it just for the money. At some point in time these dogs must be bred back to the standard or risk health issues.

While I fully understand YTCA's standard which AKC follows there are many other breeds that allow the piebald reccessive gene in their standards.

We have a number of very respected breeders on this website (I am not a breeder) who breed Biewers and also AKC registered Yorkies. I think it is a big disservice to them to say they are in it just for the money. It takes very dedicated people to try and introduce a new breed of dogs and if you go to the AKC website and review the FSS you will see many dogs waiting to be recognized. It does not happen overnight i.e. To become eligible the breeds must have the following: a minimum of 150 dogs with three generation pedigrees recorded in the FSS® a national breed club with members in at least 20 states, a breed standard that meets AKC criteria and it takes a great deal of work to accomplish this.

I am not an expert by any means when it comes to genetics or exactly how the AKC operates but I just don't want people to think that all Biewer breeders are in it "just for the money". Just like any other breeds you have some good apples and you have some bad apples.

:goodpost:

:thumbup: Well said, Cindy... :thumbup:

What exactly is a parti yorkie?

Have you ever seen a parti poodle or pom? the markings, tri colored or two colored I believe. Quite beautiful.

just wondering
 

Now I checked the standard for akc and ytca both have the same standard if a beiwer cant be registerd why is it ok for a chocolate or parti and should the price be much cheaper since it should not be bread and cant be shown

The Biewers "do have a standard" where the rest are don't... That is what sets us apart from the rest. We DO NOT (or at least I don't) want the Biewers to became lumped in with the Yorkshires in AKC! If we follow Germany Mr. Werner didn't want them to be either! They are a breed of their own, even though they are established from a yorkie they were breed for a standard, just as the yorkshires are. I know it gets confusing... and you will find many different opinions and goals for the Biewers. None the less they are beautiful little doggies and I am very blessed to have them in my home!! They are the greatest and if you ever have the chance to meet one do it!!!

Several of us will be in CA this weekend for the biggest turn out in American so far and it will be very exciting to see 15 plus Biewers in the show ring!!!! :D :D :D

Where in Ca. is the dog show?
Thanks everyone for the input.