confused
 

How can biewers,chocolate be registered akc? This says different.http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/

if your honest they cant...
 

HI,
The Biewer Yorkie originated in Germany on January 20, 1984 from a breeding by Gertrude and Werner Biewer's Yorkshire Terriers.
EACH DOG HELD a recessive gene to create "a piebald".
Its a genetic fluke, being used to make money just like Labradoodles or Yorkapoos.
In this particular litter they produced a piebald Yorkie puppy from a genetic recessive gene. This piebald puppy's registered name was Schneefloeckchen von Friedheck ( Snowflake) Sire: Darling von Friedheck a FCI World Junior Champion in Dortmund in 1981 Dam: Fru-Fru von Friedheck a FCI World Junior Championess in Dortmund in 1981. Gertrude and Werner Biewer found this puppy to be quite beautiful and began a selective breeding process to produce more piebald puppies. Gertrude and Werner Biewer named these Yorkie with white markings "Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom Pon". It was from these breedings the Biewer Yorkie was developed. The breed was officially recognized in 1986 by the ACH ( allgemeiner Club der Hundefreunde Deutschland - ACH-L e. V ). Some American breeders are importing Biewers and crossing them with the Yorkshire Terriers and calling them Biewer Yorkies.
They can ONLY be registered with the ABC, GERMANY, IABCA, RARITIES, and NCA, APRI, ACR, BYA, WRV

A chockolate is alse a genetic miss..and should not be breed for!
Now on the hand done registration form you can use the "chocolate" designation...but its MEANT FOR LABS AND SUCH...not a yorkie.

Any help?

Sorry, I'm no help. I have no clue! :idontknow

Hi i am from Germany but i have never seen a Biewer's Yorkie in my live
only pictures of them on this site they are cute ,but i like the Yorkie's best.:aimeeyork :aimeeyork :aimeeyork :D

Biewers are not AKC registered, but partis are. I'm not sure about the chocolate.

Maybe the AKC website needs updating.

I have a chocolate yorkie and she is AKC registered as a chocolate. I had to send in pictures of a side, front and back view. I have her AKC papers.

"It's a genetic fluke, being used to make money just like Labradoodles or Yorkapoos."


While I disagree with this statement, though there are unfortunate examples of people breeding for greed in every breed out there, it is true that Biewer Yorkshire Terriers are not eligible for AKC registration as they are of German pedigree,....Parti colored and Chocolate yorkies are eligible if they were bred from AKC parentage.

I do know that the parti's can be registered AKC, and it looks like it's the same with the chocolates. Both parents have to be AKC registered, and they are not eligible for confirmation shows. Not sure about other shows though. AKC doesn't set the standard... the standard is set by the Club -- in the case of Yorkshire Terriers -- it's the YTCA. Please anyone with more information, correct me if I've got my wires crossed on this!

(Thanks Stacy... you got this posted before I did... and I KNOW you know what you're talking about!)

The Biewer Yorkshire Terrier can not be registered under the AKC. They are registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terriers with several German Registries. They are considered a breed of their own, with a set standard. Three colors on the head (blue, brown/gold and white) -- chest, paws and tummy -- white, the tail is not docked, and the tip of it must be white -- and the back is a mixture of black(blue) and white. Biewer Yorkshire Terriers are not a "mixed" breed -- their ancestors were traditional Yorkshire Terriers that carried a recessive piebald gene.

There seems to be some disagreement between some breeders -- both here, as well as in Germany, as to bringing a traditional Yorkshire Terrier back into the mix. From my research, I believe this is done very carefully, in order to bring back the color, and due to some health issues that could come up with breeding generation after generation of the Biewers. A reputable breeder would only do this under specific direction, by using the best quality yorkie, in order to keep the quality of the breed up. They don't just throw any old dog into the mix... those are the ones who are probably doing this for "the money!"

If you're interested in finding out more -- you can do a search to find some of the old threads -- or contact some of the breeders. A good one to check out is magnoliasmagnificentyorkies.com -- but there are others out there as well.

Just to note: I don't want this post to start any "fights"... this is just my observations. I'm sure there will be someone else who is much more experenced than I am -- so please correct me if there is anything I have stated in error!

Do you feel the same way about the dachshund (Dapple), boxer (Brindle), great dane's (Boston patterned) to name just a few AKC breeds that are breed for the piebald gene. I am not sure if their clubs accept these as standards or not but I don't think they are all in it just for the money. At some point in time these dogs must be bred back to the standard or risk health issues.

While I fully understand YTCA's standard which AKC follows there are many other breeds that allow the piebald reccessive gene in their standards.

We have a number of very respected breeders on this website (I am not a breeder) who breed Biewers and also AKC registered Yorkies. I think it is a big disservice to them to say they are in it just for the money. It takes very dedicated people to try and introduce a new breed of dogs and if you go to the AKC website and review the FSS you will see many dogs waiting to be recognized. It does not happen overnight i.e. To become eligible the breeds must have the following: a minimum of 150 dogs with three generation pedigrees recorded in the FSS® a national breed club with members in at least 20 states, a breed standard that meets AKC criteria and it takes a great deal of work to accomplish this.

I am not an expert by any means when it comes to genetics or exactly how the AKC operates but I just don't want people to think that all Biewer breeders are in it "just for the money". Just like any other breeds you have some good apples and you have some bad apples.

:goodpost:

:thumbup: Well said, Cindy... :thumbup:

What exactly is a parti yorkie?

Have you ever seen a parti poodle or pom? the markings, tri colored or two colored I believe. Quite beautiful.

just wondering
 

Now I checked the standard for akc and ytca both have the same standard if a beiwer cant be registerd why is it ok for a chocolate or parti and should the price be much cheaper since it should not be bread and cant be shown

The Biewers "do have a standard" where the rest are don't... That is what sets us apart from the rest. We DO NOT (or at least I don't) want the Biewers to became lumped in with the Yorkshires in AKC! If we follow Germany Mr. Werner didn't want them to be either! They are a breed of their own, even though they are established from a yorkie they were breed for a standard, just as the yorkshires are. I know it gets confusing... and you will find many different opinions and goals for the Biewers. None the less they are beautiful little doggies and I am very blessed to have them in my home!! They are the greatest and if you ever have the chance to meet one do it!!!

Several of us will be in CA this weekend for the biggest turn out in American so far and it will be very exciting to see 15 plus Biewers in the show ring!!!! :D :D :D

Where in Ca. is the dog show?
Thanks everyone for the input.

SCHEDULES and JUDGES:

Southern California Schedule: go to internationaldogshow.com



South El Monte, CA show relocated, still inside Whittier Narrows Rec. Area. Click for map. Zoom out for more general location.





If coming from the east on the 60: Exit Santa Anita/Fawcett Ave. Stay on Fawcett until Lerma Road; go left park behind Tennis Club and Ramada Inn. On Corner of Lerma and Portero.



If coming from the west on the 60: Exit Santa Anita and go left (north) to Fawcett go Left to Lerma and park.



WATCH for signs.

wish I was closer!!

Check my website for pictures of the wonderful biewers at the show. It was awesome.

Biewers are amazingly beautiful!! I have heard them mentioned on here but just checked out Dee's website and wowee!! I would love to meet one in person!! Are their tails docked?? My new Yorkie does not have his tail docked and the breeder called me last night to give me an update..she says his tail is starting to lift over his back..lol..I noticed that on the Biewers pictured...I can really appreciate what is trying to be done with this breed and how you are trying to have them recognized as their "own" breed!!

Dawn

The tails are not docked on the Biewers. This is part of the standard for the Biewers from Germany. I for one am delighted that this is allowed (tails). I have a teapot yorkie who is basically blonde--I wish she had her tail but she is beautiful anyways.

There are 10 pages of Biewers on the website from the CA show. Enjoy--it was an awesome sight.

Thanks for the reply to my question. I love tails too lol...I am glad the breeder choses not to dock. I am going back to look at the pics tonight...the show would have been awesome!!

Dawn

I may be wrong, but this is my understanding:
The Biewer is not considered a Yorkie. It is not a "Biewer Yorkshire Terrier". It is considered a different breed with different standards. However, a chocolate or parti colored Yorkshire Terrier that is the result of 2 AKC parents is entitled to be AKC also. You have to send specific pictures in and the panel has to agree to accept said dog. I had 2 color anomaly pups in a litter....AKC did accept them.

The German Registry registers the Biewers as Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, or Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon. They are a breed of their own, but they are decended from the Yorkshire Terrier.

GREAT photos Dee! Wow, I have to admend my Christmas list to include a little Biewer! I fell in love immediately - as soon as I clicked on the 1st picture on the 1st page!

I know they are a pibald decendent of the Yorkie, but thought that I read that they weren't considered a Yorkie (even though no other breed has been mixed in to create the Biewer). Interesting. I'll have to read more....its been a while. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Thanks for the compliments. I would like more biewers too. I really enjoy them too.

The breed history is very interesting; and they are an extension of the Yorkie Terriers; after all their name is Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon.

I love to see more interest in Biewers. I have had many conversations with long time Yorkshire Terrier fanciers to find out the mystery behind the gene in Biewers. In England where the YT was created the breeds that were used; none carried the Piebald gene. It wasn’t until the YT was brought over to the US or another country when the gene appeared. So, the only explanation is that another breed was introduced into the Yorkshire Terrier line and not logged. Speculation is the Maltese or even the Shih Tzu. That is why they are considered a separate breed. True Yorkshire Terriers do not have a Piebald Gene. You can read excellent information pertaining to that on Cher Hildebrand’s website http://members.aol.com/CYorkie/BiewerTriColor.html that explains why the Biewer is not a Yorkshire Terrier. There is no denying they are related that’s for sure. But to call them one in the same is just not correct. Some still breed them to Yorkies they refuse to see the facts and want to make more is my guess. For those wanting to learn more about the Biewer Yorkshire Ala Pom Pon. Feel free to visit the NBCA’s website www.nationalbiewerclubofamerica.org.

Aren't the Maltese, and Shih Tzu double coated doggies?:confused:

Here is a very useful link with lots of information. http://www.bytca.org/
You can also try Biewertalk.com.
Don't feel bad, it still confuses me too. I tried to get it all strait in my head, but ended up insulting some by asking questions, so I gave up.:rolleyes: It's been a touchy subject here in the past...do a search on it and look for the many heated threads and you'll see what I mean.:p
If you can get it strait, you're one up on me.:thumbup: :D