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feminvstr · 08-09-2006, 05:04 PM

Color & Texture

by Joan Gordon

Years ago Mrs. Annie Swan, of the Invincia Yorkies, told us to keep one in our breeding program. She said everyone kept a so called "Red". They occasionally appeared from silky coated parents. No one ever showed them, but since they had the ability to return color pattern to it's proper boundaries and the ability to darken the color of a lighter dog when bred to them, they were on occasion bred in. Bred to cottony or wooly texture they usually have little effect. Bred to silk texture they improve color. Bred together they usually produce themselves and occasionally a lovely colored silk dog - but this is the exception.

this is a part of a article I have linked on my site about coat and texture...
http://dandugmore.netfirms.com/color.html

for those who are interested!!

sweetsophia · 08-09-2006, 08:11 PM

Kimberly,

This is exactly what I love about this site. The sharing and learning from others. That is very interesting and as always I will add that to my notebook of breeding and other interesting tips.

Thanks for sharing.

ehunney · 08-09-2006, 08:25 PM

This is good to know

Your letting us in, on one of your secrets, as to why all of your yorkies are so gorgeous

. But seriously, this is a great post. I've heard of this before, but no one has ever fully explained it to me. I feel a little wiser about yorkies

BamaFan121s · 08-10-2006, 05:36 AM

Thanks for the info K...it is very interesting and helpful. Just one of your steps to those beautiful little ones no doubt. I think it is AWESOME that you are so willing to help others learn and I think that alot can be said for a breeder who puts it all out there for everyone to benefit from.

I'm sorry if you felt the need to defend or prove yourself to anyone. Just know that we all think you're great!

txshopper73 · 08-10-2006, 06:38 AM

Great link! Thanks for sharing this!

JCarlson2004 · 08-10-2006, 06:43 AM

Excellent link! Thanks for posting it!

patg · 08-10-2006, 07:23 AM

Thanks very much, Kimberly! Now I have a better understanding of Bear's coloring and coat.

Turns out my little guy is very useful in the Yorkie world!

Pat

Patti · 08-10-2006, 10:01 AM

I have the Yorkshire Terrier book by Joan Gordon and Bennet. It is very detailed. I have had it for over 30 years. I see her, I know onei s passed away, but I think it's Joan who is still showing her Wildweir dogs. I just saw her last month at a dog show.

JeanieK · 08-10-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Patti

I have the Yorkshire Terrier book by Joan Gordon and Bennet. It is very detailed. I have had it for over 30 years. I see her, I know onei s passed away, but I think it's Joan who is still showing her Wildweir dogs. I just saw her last month at a dog show.

I have that book also and I love it.

feminvstr · 08-10-2006, 02:10 PM

Joan Gordons book is great and a must have by any yorkie breeder or fancier here is a link to the book if anyone is interested http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087...lance&n=283155

there is an older version as well http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...76053606&itm=8

Funny story I would like to share, a person that refutes the "reg legged" theory is a breeder that had never heard of the "Gordon Sisters." She felt compelled to send me a pm stating the white chest marking on my puppies were a major fault and I should never repeat that breeding again. When I shared the marking explaination written by Joan Gordon her remarks were "so what their dead" dismissing their legendary contribution, valued reputation and true dedication to this wonderful breed. Just goes to show you some breeders try to have their "paws" in others business when they, themself know very little!

ehunney · 08-10-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

Joan Gordons book is great and a must have by any yorkie breeder or fancier here is a link to the book if anyone is interested http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087...lance&n=283155

there is an older version as well http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...76053606&itm=8

Funny story I would like to share, a person that refutes the "reg legged" theory is a breeder that had never heard of the "Gordon Sisters." She felt compelled to send me a pm stating the white chest marking on my puppies were a major fault and I should never repeat that breeding again. When I shared the marking explaination written by Joan Gordon her remarks were "so what their dead" dismissing their legendary contribution, valued reputation and true dedication to this wonderful breed. Just goes to show you some breeders try to have their "paws" in others business when they, themself know very little!

That is so RUDE! Boy I'd like to give them a piece of my mind

All of your dogs are outstandingly gorgeous, and anywho who says different is saying so due to outright jealousy!

feminvstr · 08-10-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ehunney

That is so RUDE! Boy I'd like to give them a piece of my mind

All of your dogs are outstandingly gorgeous, and anywho who says different is saying so due to outright jealousy!

Awww thanks for your kind words. Is it jealously or ignorance or perhaps both? Some are passionate about their little "yorkieangel" some get "jazzed" and some need a refreshers course "yorkie101" back to basics!

artierae · 08-10-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

Awww thanks for your kind words. Is it jealously or ignorance or perhaps both? Some are passionate about their little "yorkieangel" some get "jazzed" and some need a refreshers course "yorkie101" back to basics!

I suspect you are right....it is both! I have the Gordon book, and I have read about these two gals who did so much to promote the Yorkshire breed. It is a shame that a new breeder doesn't give the sisters the respect due them. And I understand Joan Gordon is still very much alive, though she is older and not as active as she once was. And even if they were both dead, what difference does that make? Does it make their contribution any less because they died? Then I supose George Washington's contribution to the USA is nothing because he has passed away! How dumb!

artierae · 08-10-2006, 04:50 PM

Oh, and by the way, I meant to thank you for posting the link to the website. I tried to add it to my favorites but discovered I had already done so. (I think you had posted it once before and I added it then. LOL) But it did remind me that I should read some of the things I have put in my favorites to check into later, and forget to do.

mmyorkies · 08-11-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

Joan Gordons book is great and a must have by any yorkie breeder or fancier here is a link to the book if anyone is interested http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087...lance&n=283155

there is an older version as well http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...76053606&itm=8

Funny story I would like to share, a person that refutes the "reg legged" theory is a breeder that had never heard of the "Gordon Sisters." She felt compelled to send me a pm stating the white chest marking on my puppies were a major fault and I should never repeat that breeding again. When I shared the marking explaination written by Joan Gordon her remarks were "so what their dead" dismissing their legendary contribution, valued reputation and true dedication to this wonderful breed. Just goes to show you some breeders try to have their "paws" in others business when they, themself know very little!

Boy who ever that was is not very educated on the yorkie legends. Joan Gordon is alive and well, and is living in a suburb of Chicago. Her sister died several years ago, but she is still alive. Joan is the person that I called to get started in showing several years ago. She is a very nice lady.

08-09-2006, 05:04 PM	#1
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	information on a red leg - Joan Gordon Color & Texture by Joan Gordon Years ago Mrs. Annie Swan, of the Invincia Yorkies, told us to keep one in our breeding program. She said everyone kept a so called "Red". They occasionally appeared from silky coated parents. No one ever showed them, but since they had the ability to return color pattern to it's proper boundaries and the ability to darken the color of a lighter dog when bred to them, they were on occasion bred in. Bred to cottony or wooly texture they usually have little effect. Bred to silk texture they improve color. Bred together they usually produce themselves and occasionally a lovely colored silk dog - but this is the exception. this is a part of a article I have linked on my site about coat and texture... http://dandugmore.netfirms.com/color.html for those who are interested!! __________________ Kimberly

08-09-2006, 08:11 PM	#2
sweetsophia Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 646	Always Interested!!! Kimberly, This is exactly what I love about this site. The sharing and learning from others. That is very interesting and as always I will add that to my notebook of breeding and other interesting tips. Thanks for sharing.

08-09-2006, 08:25 PM	#3
ehunney Princess Bella Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virginia Posts: 2,186	This is good to know Your letting us in, on one of your secrets, as to why all of your yorkies are so gorgeous . But seriously, this is a great post. I've heard of this before, but no one has ever fully explained it to me. I feel a little wiser about yorkies __________________ I miss you two more then words can express, but I still have hope that I'll find you and hold you again! Tucker and Teddy always say: "If I want it, it's mine and if I put it in my mouth, it's food."

08-10-2006, 06:38 AM	#5
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Great link! Thanks for sharing this! __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

08-10-2006, 06:43 AM	#6
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,287	Excellent link! Thanks for posting it! __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

08-10-2006, 05:36 AM	#4
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Thanks for the info K...it is very interesting and helpful. Just one of your steps to those beautiful little ones no doubt. I think it is AWESOME that you are so willing to help others learn and I think that alot can be said for a breeder who puts it all out there for everyone to benefit from. I'm sorry if you felt the need to defend or prove yourself to anyone. Just know that we all think you're great!

08-10-2006, 07:23 AM	#7
patg Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington Posts: 30	Re: Information on a Red Leg by Joan Gordon Thanks very much, Kimberly! Now I have a better understanding of Bear's coloring and coat. Turns out my little guy is very useful in the Yorkie world! Pat

08-10-2006, 10:01 AM	#8
Patti Donating YT 30K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 35,509 Blog Entries: 6	I have the Yorkshire Terrier book by Joan Gordon and Bennet. It is very detailed. I have had it for over 30 years. I see her, I know onei s passed away, but I think it's Joan who is still showing her Wildweir dogs. I just saw her last month at a dog show. __________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : RIP Nikki; RIP Maya;RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html

08-10-2006, 02:10 PM	#10
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	Joan Gordons book is great and a must have by any yorkie breeder or fancier here is a link to the book if anyone is interested http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087...lance&n=283155 there is an older version as well http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...76053606&itm=8 Funny story I would like to share, a person that refutes the "reg legged" theory is a breeder that had never heard of the "Gordon Sisters." She felt compelled to send me a pm stating the white chest marking on my puppies were a major fault and I should never repeat that breeding again. When I shared the marking explaination written by Joan Gordon her remarks were "so what their dead" dismissing their legendary contribution, valued reputation and true dedication to this wonderful breed. Just goes to show you some breeders try to have their "paws" in others business when they, themself know very little! __________________ Kimberly

08-10-2006, 04:50 PM	#14
artierae Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 916	Oh, and by the way, I meant to thank you for posting the link to the website. I tried to add it to my favorites but discovered I had already done so. (I think you had posted it once before and I added it then. LOL) But it did remind me that I should read some of the things I have put in my favorites to check into later, and forget to do.