Thanks Robbie...your post means ALOT to me. :) That is exactly my point. I think it is very important to take things one step at a time, not just rush into something with no clue as to what I am doing. I can just see it now, handler/owners steps into a ring and is asked by another, "How long have you been doing this." Reply given is, "Oh, this is my first day. I just got my Yorkie last night." I think you have to build on your knowledge of the breed first before you can ever expect to appreciate any type of competition at all.

Sugar'smom, Yorkiemom1970, Tasha'smom and Bamafan121s and there are others I'm sure. I wanted to tell you I love all that you have had to say on this subject.

I agree...the comment about Down's syndrome was in very bad taste. I know a family in which the oldest has DS and is one of the most gentle, kind, human beings you would ever have the priveledge of meeting. This couple went on to have 7 more children. All of them are "normal". They have great faith and trust in the Lord. He has blessed them with a beautiful family. I would say more about my opinion of humans "breeding" but, it would probably just inflame the topic and that is not really what I want to do. Let's just say that I believe in families. I wasn't going to even address the DS comment, but after reading Sugar'smom's post...I just had to. I admire her for what she is doing with her dogs and her human children! Way to go!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

GIVE IT A REST! I would respond to you've ignorant comments but you are not worthy of my time. You may be educated, knowledgeable and an elitist, as you certainly have desperately tried to prove your superiority to others here, but you have very little, if any, common sense.

I have to agree here...I can't believe some of what I just read either :eek: .....Way to go all you LRB's or whatever the new lable is...if it weren't for many of you ....there would be lots less wonderful yorkies living in wonderful homes....

What in my post made you think I am afraid of being labeled a "living room" breeder? I am not and in fact I put the label on myself along with my husband. As far as being afraid, not much rattles me and I need no one to take up for me. I deal with troublemakers every day of my life and that seems to be your sole purpose for this post. I think every one that has responded to any of your posts on this subject is well aware of what you are and what you are trying to do.

You guys. Let's just step back a minute. This is not any different than us saying the 'Pros' or 'Snobby' about show breeders. We can't take such defense at these things when we (including myself) fight back the same way.

IMO the there are only 2 categories of breeders (I think we've talked about this before infact):
1. ETHICAL, HONEST, REPUTABLE
2. Anything but...

You can find both kinds of breeders in BYB and PROS it's what caliber of breeder do YOU want to be.

I strive to be the ETHICAL REPUTABLE HONEST breeder. Aiming to be 'one of those' everything else falls into place. The breeders that I feel like this about: :mad: :thumbdown :mad: :thumbdown :mad: :thumbdown
are those that are anything but...

Now, my definition of category 1. may be different then most. But I hold myself and others to that. That's when we get upset I think.

What we need to focus on is ourselves. Like I said in the past, I have friends, very good friends that breed not only Yorkies but other breeds too that may not have th same definitions as to what they consider Ethical and Reputable (Honesty is not matter of opinion folks..lol) we know better than to get into eachothers business because we would argue and fight about it because we have different beliefs...lolol.

Again, me and my dang speeches, but let's not get 'hot and bothered' by K9 because she obviously has her own definitions just as we do ours. Doesn't make her a bad person. Let's try accept her for her who she is even if she does rattle some cages.

Now there are those that like to argue and fight their points and views. I can't help that..lololol..I just want to make sure those that are not 'fighters' do not take K9 as a personal attack on their breeding program. They need to be confident and forget what others say (just like Robbie said!!).

Hugs,
Irene

it's not only a bad choice and in poor taste, it's quite offensive and does NOT at all get whatever point you're trying to prove unless your objective is to offend. :thumbdown

as for hobbist breeders, lrb, etc, i didn't read all the pages on this, but i'm glad they exist to produce well cared for puppies at lower prices 'cause not all of us can afford a pup from a show breeder or care to fly a pup from a distance 'cause there are no local breeders within reasonable driving distance. if not for a local lrb, i wouldn't have lil bunjee sleeping on my lap as i type.

'nuff said.

irene, I agree with almost every part of your post however, I do feel that she definitly meant to attack some of us. It seems very clear from her posts to some of us. I probably will have nothing more to say on this subject because it seems she want the last word. I will let her have it

As far as the show dog breeding goes, I don't care who does what. I have no knowledge at all of the show ring and why things are the way they are. I love to watch all the pretty little dogs on TV but that is about it. We do raise Champion Beagles but their championships are not based on what they do in the ring, but at Field trials run by the AKC. What that means is basically, how good can they chase a rabbit. How do they act, what kind of mouth and foot do they have, are they running in the right class for the standard. As you can see, totally different. I would never put any show breeder down. I think they are wonderful. I also would never put living room, kitchen, BYB down because I'm sure the majority of them have a firm commitment to what they do. As was mentioned before, not everyone want to show or cannot show for one reason or another. I have no interest whatsoever in it. As far as uneducated breeders go, It has been my experience since I have been here, that most of us on this forum are here because we want to learn from those that are more seasoned than we are. I view this entire thread the same way that I do when that ONE person always comes on here and asks, "why do you want to breed'? when someone new like me even mentions breeding. It is to stir up trouble.

I understand. I guess i wanted to give K9 the benefit of the doubt that she is just trying to educate and share her beliefs and passions. I don't think she meant to be hurtful only to make a point. I am only saying this because I've been in her position about Biewers. I did not have the intention others assumed. So let's try not to assume K9's intentions. I've seen much much worse on YT and other forums.

Hugs,
Irene

Once again this thread is making breeders that "show" sound like a bad thing. They are not all perfect, some are snobs and some are not ethical but it isn't the "show" part that makes them that way.

Everyone that wants to breed should breed "as if" they are going to show.

IMO breeders should.

1. Breed for the standard. Know the background of the dogs they are breeding and the health history. (If they got one of the dogs at a petshop and one at a BYB then they shouldn't breed them)
2. Treat their dogs well. Not just the puppies. What kind of situation do the adult dogs live in? (Commercial kennels are OUT)
3. Treat the people they sell to well.

Number 3 is the least important and being good at number 2 doesn't make up for being horrible at number 1.

Petshops are out.
True BYB are out.
Commercial breeders are out.
Poor pet quality pups should be spayed/neurtered.

Hobby Breeders and Reputable experienced breeders are the only ones that should breed.

Well, I agree with you on this part. I think there seems to be an opinion that if the dogs live in the LR with a breeder, that makes them a good breeder. In my opinion treating dogs well is one part of being a good breeder but not everyone that does this should breed. That has more to do with being the good pet owner we all strive to be.

A breeder has to be more than that.

There are really only two kinds of breeders all other names aside...GOOD and BAD.

TOTALLY agree :thumbup: ...this is what I've been saying all along!

now THIS is something I can agree with

Shelbysmom this is an excellent assessment!

Thank you.

I did my homework when I was puppy hunting. :D

I'm back...
 

I would've posted a long time ago, but I didn't receive an e-mail saying that someone had replied until just now. Huh.

Wow, this ruffled some feathers, huh? I knew I wouldn't be the popular one when I said something that needed to be said, but that's how it goes sometimes.

My appologies to those of you who read my words and misunderstood them. That could be because I typed them wrong (looked good to me) or you're reading them w/ the wrong attitude. That's what makes typing over the internet so dangerous. You can't hear my voice or see my face to base a typical human responce to the words I put out. If you were having a bad day and read what I wrote, you'd come up w/ a different opinion that you may have if you read it when you had your little one curled up next to you and read it. In either case, I've been taken both ways and I can appreciate that. Breeding is something that should be regarding in a high light. Our Yorkies are small in stature (big in heart) and they often are plagued w/ health problems that should've never existed in the numbers they do today due to poor breeding. Genetics are funny, they're a science and too many people are playing scientist. I wish more people would take responsibility for what they're producing. Something that bothered me most is that I BET you, if I brought a puppy miller on this thread, his defense as to why he breeds would be no different than many responses on here and that's what I had a problem w/. Breeding is natural and breeding well is an art-thankfully there is a standard that people should adhere to. And a kennel club to partially help enforce it.

You think you were misunderstood? I have been gone for several days as I just got a new yorkie and am getting him settled. I came back to find this thread getting UGLY. You have obviously missed the reason that DS children and children with any other disorder are placed with us. To learn compassion , the lesson that you have missed by a long shot. If you had you would not have made such a horrible comment. I commend any parent who has the love and amount of strength it takes to raise the beautiful people (and that is who they are). To bring something like that into this conversation in that manner was tasteless and tacky (to say the least). But explaining this to you would be pointless based on your ability to say such a horrible thing to begin with.
Many people out there have beautiful yorkies without showing them, get over it!!!!!!! I will keep any further comments on your post to myself as it would just be inappropriate to post them.............................

Elgn
 

I don't think the original poster (which you replied to) is the one that posted about the DS children. Go back and look at the user name. Could be wrong but I don't think it was her.

It was in reply to yorkiek9's comments.

It is perimeter (not peramiter) and response (not responce). Just trying to assist you in your gasconade. :D

Usage Note: The term parameter, which originates in mathematics, has a number of specific meanings in fields such as astronomy, electricity, crystallography, and statistics. Perhaps because of its ring of technical authority, it has been used more generally in recent years to refer to any factor that determines a range of variations and especially to a factor that restricts what can result from a process or policy. In this use it often comes close to meaning “a limit or boundary.” Some of these new uses have a clear connection to the technical senses of the word. For example, the provisions of a zoning ordinance that limit the height or density of new construction can be reasonably likened to mathematical parameters that establish the limits of other variables. Therefore one can say The zoning commission announced new planning parameters for the historic Lamping district of the city. But other uses go one step further and treat parameter as a high-toned synonym for characteristic. Eighty percent of Panelists reject this use of parameter in the example The Judeo-Christian ethic is one of the important parameters of Western culture. ·Some of the difficulties with the nontechnical use of parameter appear to arise from its resemblance to the word perimeter, with which it shares the sense “limit,” though the precise meanings of the two words differ. This confusion probably explains the use of parameter in a sentence such as U.S. forces report that the parameters of the mine area in the Gulf are fairly well established, where the word perimeter would have expressed the intended sense more exactly. This example of a use of parameter was unacceptable to 61 percent of the Usage Panel.

:scratchhe

I'll just have to trust you on that...I'm blonde :yay_jump:

Ms. Cj AKA Yorkiegold genius! semantics !!!

Unless you are the judge, you have no way of knowing that the 10 or 20 dogs have equal total packages. When there are several good dogs in the ring, the judges job is much harder, but they go over every dog for all the points of the standard, and spectators may not see all the judge sees. You may see several dogs that look great to you, but you don't see what kind of bite they have, or feel their top line to make sure it is straight, and not just fluffed up hair, or check their stance to see that their legs are not bowed, and check their movement. There is much, much more than the looks of a pretty dog. Each judge has their idea of what makes up the perfect standard of the breed, and their idea may not be the same as yours. When a breeder/handler wins over the other dogs, and especially those that are with handlers, you absolutely know you have a pretty good dog, because professional handlers are hard to beat. You not only know you have a good dog to start your breeding program, but you also feel pretty good too.

I can't beleive this thread is still going on. I can't imagine anything new being accomplished..lol

Ha ha ha...I thought the same thing when my email about a new post popped-up...although I gotta say, some of the recent additions are very interesting. ;)

I can't read the posts anymore..after what k9 said that was enough for me..

You crack me up, especially if you think a puppymiller would have any responsible defense at all for breeding. I take it you have not had much experience with rescue, or seeing the puppymillers, or been to a mill auction. Me thinkish you need some more educating on the subject of puppy millers and what they produce.

Is there a link that this came from or are these your words?