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yorkEluv 03-24-2006 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73
That's GREAT news! So glad that the judge ruled in your favor!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:






"THANK YOU"! A kind word goes a long way. And with the hard work and sleepless nights. I can use all I can get.
Thanks ,
YorkELuv

scrapindee 03-24-2006 06:10 PM

You did several good things here that should be lessons for all of us, including pursuing your victory in small Claims Court. I'm also glad you were able to find a forever home for this puppy. Pat yourself on the back you did a good job .

yorkEluv 03-24-2006 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scrapindee
You did several good things here that should be lessons for all of us, including pursuing your victory in small Claims Court. I'm also glad you were able to find a forever home for this puppy. Pat yourself on the back you did a good job .

:animal36
Thank you! I have waited a year to resolve this stressful issue. It is bittersweet and money was never the issue. I will be letting my little guy go to new home and he will be sadly missed. But I want him to be in a home with love, love and more love!!!!!!!!! And I will still get to see him. Maybe I'll ask for visitation. HA! HA!
YorkELuv

fl24019 03-25-2006 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73
When they have zero testicles, it's called cryptorchid. One testicle is Monorchid.

Not exactly. Here is a more precise definition:

Cryptorchid The adult whose testicles are abnormally retained in the abdominal cavity. Bilateral cryptorchidism involves both sides; i.e., neither testicle has descended into the scrotum. Unilateral cryptorchidism (also called monorchid) involves one side only; i.e., one testicle is retained or hidden, and one is descended.

Monorchid A dog that has one testicle retained or hidden in its abdominal cavity. See cryptorchid.

txshopper73 03-26-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fl24019
Not exactly. Here is a more precise definition:

Cryptorchid The adult whose testicles are abnormally retained in the abdominal cavity. Bilateral cryptorchidism involves both sides; i.e., neither testicle has descended into the scrotum. Unilateral cryptorchidism (also called monorchid) involves one side only; i.e., one testicle is retained or hidden, and one is descended.

Monorchid A dog that has one testicle retained or hidden in its abdominal cavity. See cryptorchid.

Excuse me...I should have used the word DESCEND. It's basically the same thing. I just left one word out. Thanks for pointing that out, CJ.

Yorkster 03-28-2006 08:37 AM

One thing you should check for before purchasing a pup. Not getting on you, it is a learning lesson, unfortunately.) In young pups many breeders make sure they are descended. Once that canal is closed they do not descend and sometimes it is a difficult operation for the dog.
Check to see if your state has a dog lemon law. If not I am afraid you may be out of luck. Make sure contract states you are purchasing for breeding.

BlumoonYorkies 03-29-2006 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkEluv
:animal-pa

GIGI,
I haven't been able to get back to your reply. I have been very busy resolving this issue over the male yorkie. Things went very well for the little male. I won judgement of the yorkie male.
I first need to say HE did not go back with the breeder. Nor was I planning to allow him to go. He is at this time being placed in a wonderful pet home approved by myself and a Veternarian. I did not charge for him. My concern was his care & happiness. He will be neutered and checked on to see everything is as it should be. He cannot be sold or placed into another household. He comes back to me and will just live here.
I have 3 female Yorkies that live in our "home", and I'm not a BYB.
Is the little memo ( NOT SO REPUTABLE) at the top of this page aimed at me?? If it is you don't know me. As for your comment about buying from a
reputable show breeder. That I would of have plenty of recourse, and they only sell to those who want to learn acordingly. Cheap Shot!! As for recourse I think; maybe or maybe not. And for wanting to show and learn accordingly. Not everyone has the money to purchase a "very" expensive show/breeder yorkie, and have the money for campaigning this dog to a championship. It is more than costly and VERY POLITICAL. I have learned a lesson from this experience and the last thing I need. Is someone to judge me and rub my nose in it.
I hope you will rethink being so judgemental. Remember the shoe could someday be on the other foot!!!!!!!!!!


WOW! I sure guess your on the defensive! I never meant it for you. But the breeder who sold you a male for breeding that did not have his testicles down. And by the way exactly what do you think a BYB is?
And are you attacking someone who is? As I sure did not. As there are all types of breeders! And as far as costly to show it is not if you have a good dog! But then this is usually one's cop out! How do you know it is very political? We all have started out new! You also posted you could not afford an expensive good dog. I would think breeding only the best is what someone would want to have and do, as well as having healthy dogs not only the dog itself but for many generations. This also means knowing if there are testicle problems as well as other things in a line. Are you knocking show breeders for wanting only the best??? So who was judgemental here????

BamaFan121s 03-29-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies
And as far as costly to show it is not if you have a good dog! But then this is usually one's cop out!

I'm not sure what you are implying by cop out, but anyways...
I don't show at this time. I CHOOSE not to. There are many factors that influence my decision. And I have to say that it being costly IS a huge factor. In my particular situation, it is not possible for me to show and have a full time job and balance the two among other aspects of my life at this time. The time that I feel I would need to dedicate to showing would only be possible to achieve if I only worked part time or not at all. Financially, that is not an option for me and my family. So yeah, in a way it IS costly due to the lack of income that would accompany it.

yorkEluv 03-29-2006 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies
WOW! I sure guess your on the defensive! I never meant it for you. But the breeder who sold you a male for breeding that did not have his testicles down. And by the way exactly what do you think a BYB is?
And are you attacking someone who is? As I sure did not. As there are all types of breeders! And as far as costly to show it is not if you have a good dog! But then this is usually one's cop out! How do you know it is very political? We all have started out new! You also posted you could not afford an expensive good dog. I would think breeding only the best is what someone would want to have and do, as well as having healthy dogs not only the dog itself but for many generations. This also means knowing if there are testicle problems as well as other things in a line. Are you knocking show breeders for wanting only the best??? So who was judgemental here????

I'm Not on the defensive. I'm just stating my opinion and apparently others feel this way to. Please re-read my above reply. What I said was; "Not everyone has the money for a "very" expensive show/breed dog and have the money to campaign. And your replay was-----I would think breeding only the best is what someone would want to have and do, as well as having healthy dogs. Gee Honey !!!!!! What did I do to you????? I only ask a question to try to get advice from everyone in the yorkie profession. I'm really sorry I ask!!!!!!! And you ask what did I think a BYB was? Well I was assuming it was a Back yard Breeder which I AM NOT.
I have 3 female yorkies, and only 1 has had a litter in 2/05. I know I have a lot to learn which I'm trying to do. But GEE give me a chance.
I'm sorry if you can't understand how (as the old saying goes) the other half lives!

txshopper73 03-31-2006 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies
And as far as costly to show it is not if you have a good dog! But then this is usually one's cop out!

Sorry, GiGi, but I find this offensive as well. I've been told by a couple of show breeders that it can cost $2,000-3,000 to finish a dog and that's if you have a dog worthy of finishing. Eventually, I'd love to get into showing but that type of money is hard to come by especially when someone has small kids at home. :(

yorkEluv 04-04-2006 08:36 PM

I just wanted to update all that was kind enough to help me with my ordeal.
As you know My little guy was placed in a very wonderful home and is very loved. His new Mommy called to say he was going tomorrow 4/05 to be neutered. She said she thought maybe I would want to call the vet to check on him, too. It's such a happy time yet its sad. He is so beautiful, and we so wanted to use him as stud for our 3 girls. It didn't happen so I can only assume it wasn't to be.
I have been looking at other male yorkies. My husband says; I can't keep judging everything I see by the little male we place. Maybe someday there
will be another small Babydoll faced little guy come into our lives. I think I just need more time. I guess only time will tell.
:wavey: Again thanks to all!
YorkELuv

APenichet 04-05-2006 07:56 AM

I'm new here and still have a lot to learn about Yorkies and breeding and all that fun stuff, but one thing I have picked up along the way is that if cost is a big concern for you, you may want to re-think breeding dogs, especially Yorkies. Buying the dams and stub are only the beginning, they should see a vet for at least two sets of shots and worming and check-ups...not to mention tail docking, dew claw removal and, I haven't looked into it too much - breeding is low on my list of priorities right now, but isn't there an ear trimming proceedure in there somewhere as well? None of which I would attempt at home. It can add up quicker than a lot of people realize when they're blinded by the sale price that some of the dogs are fetching.

I'm certain that nobody has ever set out to become the sort of breeder that you had to deal with with your little boy. But costs and lack of time can quickly make you into one if you're not careful. I'm also certain that no one here is trying to be mean or political, we just have the best interest of this beautiful breed at heart.

Good luck with your new little boy! :)

yorkEluv 04-05-2006 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by APenichet
I'm new here and still have a lot to learn about Yorkies and breeding and all that fun stuff, but one thing I have picked up along the way is that if cost is a big concern for you, you may want to re-think breeding dogs, especially Yorkies. Buying the dams and stub are only the beginning, they should see a vet for at least two sets of shots and worming and check-ups...not to mention tail docking, dew claw removal and, I haven't looked into it too much - breeding is low on my list of priorities right now, but isn't there an ear trimming proceedure in there somewhere as well? None of which I would attempt at home. It can add up quicker than a lot of people realize when they're blinded by the sale price that some of the dogs are fetching.

I'm certain that nobody has ever set out to become the sort of breeder that you had to deal with with your little boy. But costs and lack of time can quickly make you into one if you're not careful. I'm also certain that no one here is trying to be mean or political, we just have the best interest of this beautiful breed at heart.

Good luck with your new little boy! :)

Thanks for your reply. As I mentioned I'm not ready for another yorkie male as yet. Were just looking. I still can only think about the little yorkie we placed.
My yorkies do regular vet calls for shots, worming and a vet check. They were just there last week and they were all fine and dandy. I'm not sure what you were talking about with the ear trimmings. I reread your reply and I'm assuming your talking about puppies. My babies get everything taken care of at the vet. I don't feel qualified to do these procedures myself. I just leave it to the professionals.
Thanks again!
YorkEluv

Yorkiesforever 04-21-2006 08:41 AM

I am wondering how long you need to wait to know if a male is able to breed I heard there usually down by 2 months.

Saleswman 04-23-2006 05:44 AM

I respect your integrity....
 
I have read this entire thread and I must admit, it has been an ordeal for you. I really do respect your integrity as a buyer with this little male. Your determination and strength thru out this issue is commendable.

I went thru something similar over 20 years ago....lady sold me two puppies open papers, only to find a big defect with one of the puppies. In her pitch about the puppies, was that I could breed them, they were both females. (I never did or ever wanted to breed) Anyway, I called her with the info and she said...."I do not give refunds, you bought the puppy". Well, needless to say, after our phone conversation, she was willing to take the puppy back and I stopped payment on the ck." If she would have been upfront with the defect, I may have handled the purchase differently.


Lesson learned on my end, and I will never buy or recommend her as a seller, but she still does very well with her breeding program.....I just dont understand it. :confused:

As far as your breeder with this little male, the issue is as much that she is a friend, and with friends we tend to expect them to treat us with the utmost care....I tend to put my friends on a pedestal.

Sorry that you had to deal with all of this in the first place.


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