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01-31-2006, 06:13 AM | #1 |
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| Inquinal hernia experience? I have a female puppy who was diagnosed with a Inquinal hernia. It will need surgical repair. It is rather large and they said it could be potentially life threatening due to the size of it, a chance of the bowell falling thru it and causing gangrene, blockage etc. She is happy active and the picture of health otherwise and will be good as new after surgery as long as there are no complications in surgery. She will be offered as a pet puppy. My question is have any of you breeders experienced this? I understand it is heritary and can be passed on and it would not be something you want in your lines. The mommy and daddy have had 11 pups total together in the past and this is the first occurance of this defect. Ive never had this diagnosis before with any pups(of about 40 total). At this point I dont know if its from mommy or daddy. Do any of you have experience with this or have personal views? |
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01-31-2006, 06:52 AM | #2 |
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| I had a dog with umbilical hernia (well 2 actually) but never this type. I hope you get some answers...I am curious myself. |
01-31-2006, 06:58 AM | #3 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | No, I have not experienced this with my own pups. You're right, it is hereditary. I hope that your little one will be okay.
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01-31-2006, 06:59 AM | #4 |
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| Yes I hope someone has experience with it. ALways worrying about health, Im always thinking of liver shunt, patellas but the inquinal hernia (next to the back leg, by the vagina) is a new concern for me. Truth is I hadnt even read about it and did nt know how prevelant it was in the yorkies. Heard of the umbilical hernias of course, but the inguinals are new to me. |
01-31-2006, 07:10 AM | #5 |
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| I should include the advice given to me by two different vets. First is my sisters vet.....this lil girl was to be my sisters puppy, to grow up as her family pet and to have a few litters in the future but she was diagnosed with this condition and since it is heretary, it was recommended she not be used for breeding ever. So she will not be. Second vet my own, feels the same and so the advice is well taken and will be implemented. I guess what I am asking is for breeder advice on spaying or neutering the parents of the puppy. With just this one case and not knowing where it came from from mommy or daddy what would you do? |
01-31-2006, 07:52 PM | #6 |
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| Kelly, I had 2 sweet females that were the whole litter. They both had inguinal (or called femoral in females sometimes) and one was very bad. I had them done at 10 weeks and my vet said the worst one was so bad that she would have to learn to walk again. Ptooey! I had to put them in a rabbit crate..it was low and long and wide, to keep them from jumping around the night I brought them home. I never bred those parents together again and NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM AGAIN!! I bred both parents with my vet's blessings... |
01-31-2006, 08:08 PM | #7 |
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| I've had one female pup that was recently diagnosed with an inguinal hernia. Not by my vet (who told me it was a fatty bump) who I have recently dropped as my day vet. When the new owners had their wellness check on the pup it was also overlooked. She was finally diaginosed. It wasnt a large one. They spayed and repaired it. I am paying the new owners for the hernia repair part of the surgery. I was also very concerned about this and have been doing research on it. My stud has sired litters with other females, no hernias, it might be this female who is carrying it. The research says the only way to find out is test breeding. A breeder friend I know thought a puppy of hers had one and enter repair compensation in the contract. When the owner had the pup spayed the vet said there was no hernia it must have closed. wnich i've read small ones can do. Please let me know if you get any info on this matter. |
01-31-2006, 08:14 PM | #8 |
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| My Princess Chai had an inguinal hernia and the breeder's vet said it should resolve on it's own without surgery. My vet concurred and both were correct. I got her at 15 weeks of age and only saw it twice, both times when I bathed her and she reared up on her hind legs. It was about the size of a pea and my vet told me how to gently push it back in with my pinky figer which I did successfully each time. I never saw it after she reached 6 months of age. She is a tiny dog at under 4 lbs at 13 months now so the pea size of the hernia was fairly large for her but not really life threatening according to the vet. Princess Chai will never be bred but I also do not want her to have surgery so she will not be spayed and I am glad that the hernia resolved on it's own and she did not have ot have surgery to correct it. Did either vet feel this hernia on this puppy may resolve w/o surgery? I think that is is common for them to resolve as they grow. |
01-31-2006, 10:02 PM | #9 |
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| Thank you so much for your replies, you made me feel better.,,thanks for the support......its much appreciated. Ive been really upset about this, although I spoke to my vet about the puppy, he hadnt examined her yet. So I took her in and all my puppies in for an early check up. Ive been obsessed as to where this came from. I had all 8 puppies examined............and I mean examined!! They were from three litters. My first lil girl definitely has an inguinal hernia and my vet agrees with my sisters vet, it is large enough it should be repaired but he want to wait until she is bit older, she is almost 12 weeks. After careful exam of all puppies he found a very small hernia on another little girl shes 8 weeks, he says its very small and needs examined in a couple weeks to see if it really requires surgery. She is from a different litter then the first girl so its my stud. ITS MY STUD! Makes me sad and mad and definitely not glad. My vet told me to stop the lines here, any yorkie from him should never be bred because it can be passed on, he said these girls would make wonderful pets but make sure they are never bred. And lastly to faze my boy out of my program and until he is completely fazed out, all babies to be spay or neutered. |
01-31-2006, 10:16 PM | #10 |
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| Thank you so much for your replies, you made me feel better.,,thanks for the support......its much appreciated. Ive been really upset about this, although I spoke to my vet about the puppy, he hadnt examined her yet. So I took her in and all my puppies in for an early check up. Ive been obsessed as to where this came from. I had all 8 puppies examined............and I mean examined!! They were from three litters. My first lil girl definitely has an inguinal hernia and my vet agrees with my sisters vet, it is large enough it should be repaired but he want to wait until she is bit older, she is almost 12 weeks. After careful exam of all puppies he found a very small hernia on another little girl shes 8 weeks, he says its very small and needs examined in a couple weeks to see if it really requires surgery. She is from a different litter then the first girl so its my stud. My vet told me to stop the lines here, any yorkie from him should never be bred because it can be passed on, he said these girls would make wonderful pets but make sure they are never bred. And lastly to faze my boy out of my program, all babies to be spay or neutered until then. |
01-31-2006, 10:25 PM | #11 |
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| sorry my message was sent twice..... |
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02-02-2006, 05:28 AM | #13 |
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| Thanks........I guess it isnt the end of the world When I put both my hands out and weigh this condition in one and liver shunt or heart problems etc in the other.......it certainly doesnt seem so bad. It can be fixed and the baby should be fine. I have a half sister to my stud who had a litter of pups who was bred to a different stud and no hernias appeared. I do have another stud but he is only allowed to bred AKC and I have a few CKC dogs. Is it responsible to use ( very limited time) my stud who passed this defect as long as I make sure puppies are not used for breeding (pets only) and if the defect popped up again I correct the problem and let the puppy owner know. Or is this irresponsible? The reason I ask is it will take a while until I have a mature boy ready. |
02-02-2006, 05:29 PM | #14 |
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| Hi.... I bumped this up hoping someone would give an opinion. Im asking for it.......doesnt have to be what I want to hear. |
02-02-2006, 08:00 PM | #15 |
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| I am not sure why you say that he can only breed with AKC and I have a few CKC dogs. I know people who stud their AKC male with CKC females. Maybe you would want to consider dual-registration. I do not use CKC but others do..so think about the arrangement. |
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