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whispersmom2 01-28-2006 08:46 AM
I have a question..My boy, Cruiser, is from Hemsbach lineage. Does that make him a TRUE BIEWER? If yes, how can I tell? If no, then splain to me what I am supposed to call him
I have others that list Hemsbach back further in their lineage-maybe 4 gens. What are these Biewers supposed to be called?? Are we saying that the correct name for these "Germany spotted Biewties" is True Biewers and/or False Biewers?
This might sound silly, but after reading these posts I am wondering if we have "horned in" on the correctness of naming these dogs..The original name, no matter which version we adhere to, does not have TRUE anywhere in the name..Is this correct??

YorkieRose 01-28-2006 08:51 AM
ps
 
Accurate, not accquire..sorry.

whispersmom2 01-28-2006 08:58 AM
" Having had this expericne I am positive that Beiwers came down from at least these two breeds. "
So, one experience gives enough info to make such an encompassing trueism, huh? HMMMMMMMMM!
Several years ago, a VERY well-known showman and breeder, advised those show persons who had these off-color Yorkies show up in their lines, to stick them in the freezer and euthanize them. Those who have been around toe Yorkie world for 20-25 years will know the name of that breeder. Now, makes me wonder why he would have said that if there NEVER was a tri, blue, choc or other off-color puppy in a show line litter...
I am going out on a limb with this post and I know there are pros who will say tain't so, but it is!

crystalsmom 01-28-2006 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies
I think that Biewer Terriers look like nice little dogs. They tend to be a little bigger than a Yorkie. I hope someday they do get AKC recognized. I hope breeders breed for level toplines and the Tri-colors. When I was a child my mom and I had a pet Yorkie and my step sister who was older than myself had a Maltese. When she went on vacation my mom watched her Maltese. Well not knowing much about heat cycles and such as our yorkie was only 1 1/yrs. old. She came into heat at some point while the Maltese was visiting and low and behold she started getting bigger! My mom being worried ran her to the vet only to find out she was PG and due anyday! The puppies were adroable. One was all Black with 4 white feet and white tipped tail, the chest hair was brown and the body coat was black. Not like a puppy Yorkie as it stayed that way but more like a nice maltese coat only black. One looked exactly like a yorkie, and the other one was brown, black and white all over. All 3 boys and of course my mom gave them to friends and relatives. I saw all 3 as adults and they pretty much stayed the same coloring as they were when they left our home except the one that looked like a Yorkie his head turned all gold with maturity. The two who did not look like a yorkie had a coat that matted easier than the Yokire silk coat does, and required more grooming time simialr to the Maltese coats. Having had this expericne I am positive that Beiwers came down from at least these two breeds. It amazed me how two of them looked just like what is now called Beiwers. Oh and all the ears stood up and we never did anything to make them stand, and my mom never did dock the tails on the two who looked like Bewiers only on the one who looked like the Yorkie. But the Beiwer looking ones were bigger in size than our Yorkie standard, and the Yorkie looking one was 5 lbs.
I also do not think they should have the name Yorkshire in the naming of this new breed, it should have it's own name like Bewier terriers that some have mentioned. This way they will have ther eown merrit and pride of there seperate breed!
Let's be nice. This is a new member to yorkie talk with EXCELLENT YORKIES, I know
for a fact and is just stating how she felt.

whispersmom2 01-28-2006 09:32 AM
Welcome, BluMoon. I have seen the ads for BluMoon Yorkies for a long time so I know she is experienced and has lovely dogs. But, her feelings are hers and mine are mine and all of us love this forum because we can express our feelings/opinions whether they agree or disagree.
Thanx for pointing out she is a new member and I apologize for not posting a welcome before this..

crystalsmom 01-28-2006 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by whispersmom2
Welcome, BluMoon. I have seen the ads for BluMoon Yorkies for a long time so I know she is experienced and has lovely dogs. But, her feelings are hers and mine are mine and all of us love this forum because we can express our feelings/opinions whether they agree or disagree.
Thanx for pointing out she is a new member and I apologize for not posting a welcome before this..
wasn't directed at you Rini!!

whispersmom2 01-28-2006 11:13 AM
Well, then, I apologize for the mishtook!!!

jakeepaper 01-28-2006 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
I like that visual. I have Yorkies and I want to measure my progress with teh AKC. If I keep my Biewer as a 'Yorkie' in the eyes of the AKC judge. Then I am not able to measure my Biewer program and improve. Ah ha!! Light bulb just went on.
I totally agree with both Cher and Rini. I own and some one shows for me my akc standard yorkshire terriers, and Cher breeds and shows as well. I for one, would not like to compare my Biewers eventually to my Yorkies. They just are not comparable. If the show people who are so up in arms about the biewers being recognized realized that it would be next to impossible to compare the two in the ring, they would realize the fight is mute. BTW, I am not talking about stud books, my dog has two generations of dna'ed parents and grandparents behind her.....

Stormy 01-28-2006 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by goldenray
It doesn't matter if Germany keeps a stud book, that is not a recognized registry, even in Germany. The US needs to form it's own club and maintain it's own stud book. They would become part temporarily of the Rare Breeds Club and look forward to being a recognized breed of it's own. So I think we are in accordance here as I also think they should have their own status. I am talking with some Biewer people now and have offered my help in getting this all off the ground.

I am in no way knocking the Biewer as it's own breed. There are some real cute pictures posted here and think they deserve recognition as a breed.
I just got my little Guy in from Germany this week.
I totally agree with you,Rini, Cher and Jakeepaper and will be appreciative of your efforts to help have the Biewers recognized as a breed of their own. I have owned Yorkies for over 30 years, I do not breed or show but Yorkies are the love of my life.I have 6 here now. I certainly do not think the Biewers can be judged by our AKC Yorkshire terrier standards.They are indeed precious little wonderful dogs and do deserve to be recognized in a place of their own.

YorkieRini 01-28-2006 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormy
I just got my little Guy in from Germany this week.
I totally agree with you,Rini, Cher and Jakeepaper and will be appreciative of your efforts to help have the Biewers recognized as a breed of their own. I have owned Yorkies for over 30 years, I do not breed or show but Yorkies are the love of my life.I have 6 here now. I certainly do not think the Biewers can be judged by our AKC Yorkshire terrier standards.They are indeed precious little wonderful dogs and do deserve to be recognized in a place of their own.
I to avoid further confusion. I'd like to CLARIFY...My name is IRENE, I ONLY have TRUE BIEWERS...

YorkieRose 01-28-2006 02:53 PM
Biewers
 
Perhaps, I am mistaken, but I have not heard of any serious Biewer breeders wanting them shown with standard colors..makes no sense. A number of breeds have more then one classification to be shown separate. Isn't this want Biewer beeders want?..or do they want them to be recognized as a separate breed all together?

crystalsmom 01-28-2006 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
I to avoid further confusion. I'd like to CLARIFY...My name is IRENE, I ONLY have TRUE BIEWERS...
Boy, would I love the chance to be confused with Wispersmom (Rini). What a
wonderful, caring and thoughtful member of yorkie talk.

jesscruz 01-28-2006 03:22 PM
i am no breeder or anything but i just wanted to say that i just love all yorkies, black,white,blue,green, purple :D doesn't matter to me :D

red98vett 01-28-2006 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by crystalsmom
Boy, would I love the chance to be confused with Wispersmom (Rini). What a
wonderful, caring and thoughtful member of yorkie talk.
Meeeeeeeee too ! One of my favorite people of alltime :)

gymbo68 01-28-2006 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crystalsmom
Boy, would I love the chance to be confused with Wispersmom (Rini). What a
wonderful, caring and thoughtful member of yorkie talk.
Thanks for saying that...so very true...


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