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Old 12-27-2015, 12:25 PM   #1
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Question Mommy keeps moving pup away from others

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Brief history: I am a complete and utter noob when it comes to this and by no means will I breed again. Dam is 3.5 yrs old and sire is 1 yr old. First litter and first pregnancy ever for us. Natural birth and she has been a great mom to her 4 puppies. Her temperament is as calm as always, even when vet removed puppies for docking/dew-clawing (sp?). Mom received deworming (3 syringes - 1 a day at home) which caused some loose stool with very little blood (I think I saw her licking it, eww!)

Anyway, it's been a week and three days since birth and puppies are feeding fine and even the runt has gained weight and appears to be thriving. Past day or so I have noticed her sleeping outside of the bed the puppies sleep and feed in. She seems to want that "alone time". Yesterday, she grabbed the aforementioned runt (we named him Scruffles in honor of a Maury Povich episode) and moved him to the are where we sit. I encouraged it by getting her a blanket so that the puppy wouldn't be on the cold tile floor. She then proceeded to go and grab the others and bring them to the same area. This was fine for a little while but I have a special needs toddler and cannot have them in this open area unsupervised as he may inadvertently hurt them. So I put them back in their bed and she was fine. Today, again she grabbed Scruffles and placed him on the floor in our common area and nudged him a few times and rotated him as if to present him to me or the sire which was also there (am I overthinking this?). She licked him all over as she usually does but mostly in the face. She went back to check on the pups a few times but made no effort to bring any of the others out. Why do you think she's doing this? Is this just a developmental thing where she wants him to learn to start walking or something else altogether?

Thanks in advance and please ask any questions I may have left out.
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Found this thread:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...t-out-box.html
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Old 12-27-2015, 02:21 PM   #3
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Does your little one show signs of thriving? Is his mouth warm like he is getting milk? Is he peeing and pooing? Are you weighing the babies to ensure they are gaining weight? I am glad you found a thread on the same subject.

Oh gosh, I was just re reading and they are already over a week old! Perhaps then the pups will get a little vet check soon and you will be able to get more information and make sure everyone is thriving. Good luck
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I'm not a breeder but I would take all to the vet to be checked out ASAP.
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Survival of the fittest....an instinct we work around as breeders. Sometimes, it is just that it is a pup that is smaller, a little weaker, and momma thinks it would not survive if things got worse....sometimes there are actually real and clear, present issues, that the momma knows as a loving creature of God....is going to put that baby at a disadvantage in life, so she culls her own litter. I ASSUMED, as a breeder, you had already had these babies checked post whelp, within the first 24-36 hours following birth....please tell me you have done that.....

But then I read your post closely....am I understanding momma is not isolated with her newborns, and is allowed to travel and carry these tiny enfants all over the house? These babies are not able to regulate their body temp.....they should be kept in an isolated area, and kept at a constant warm temp of at least 88*-94*....they should not be carried all over the house, placed on cold tile floors....this is not going to turn out well for you if you dont intervene and provide a safe, warm area for those newborns! If the babies are not kept warm, body functions close down/slow down, and all that can be seen as imminent death for a newborn, in the eyes of their momma....so momma will isolate the "weak and ill" baby, as SHE sees it, and allow it to die.

Mommas should be isolated from the rest of the household, especially other animals/pets/children/visitors...she should NOT be allowed to carry her babies all over the house....she will hide the baby she thinks is sick and it will die and you wont even be able to find it to help it. Or she will simply kill it and eat most of it.... Temperature around the momma and babies should be regulated, or the babies will not eat/eliminate properly...their systems shut down, momma thinks they are sick, and she kills them and eats them.....or she may just hide the body where you can not find it for awhile. Babies should be weighed at least once daily, so you can get some kind of idea if the baby is thriving....I weigh and record all my babies at least twice a day, and anyone I am concerned about, is weighed at least 3 times a day. You have to know if body temp is regulated after 3 weeks, which will allow the puppy more freedom around momma and the whelping area....at that time, you can start to back down on your ambient temp control....80*-86* will suffice at that point in time....still no drafts....

Good luck with your new litter....these tiny enfants deserve the very best available to them....if you have a momma that does not want to instinctively remain with her newborns, protecting and caring for them, even to her own disadvantage, you should not allow her to have litters.....she is not interested or motivated and will not care for them properly. And when they are at an age when momma start to teach her babies how to be socially acceptable and interactive appropriately with people and other dogs, if your female has no interest in those babies, she is NOT a breeder and should not be used as such.

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Thanks so much for your replies. Yes the pups have been vet checked and no issues were found. I was told to monitor the runt to make sure he was latching on and to make sure the others were allowing him to feed.

The dam is actually in an enclosed space with the pups. We had opened it up because it seemed like she was anxious about being near us and so we let her out and she came to each of us for some petting and would quickly return to check on her pups. Anyway, that freedom deteriorated into her trying to move the pups out. We have since closed the exit and the removal of the puppy has not reoccurred so we will be keeping it that way.

The runt is actually eating well and moves around a lot. Cries just as much as the others and is eager and latches on when feeding begins.
Besides that little roadblock, dam seems like a good mom. Defensive about her pups, covering them if we get close but no aggression. I won't be breeding her again just because My vet warned me of health risks (breast cancer etc).

Thanks again for your suggestions!!!
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Thanks so much for your replies. Yes the pups have been vet checked and no issues were found. I was told to monitor the runt to make sure he was latching on and to make sure the others were allowing him to feed.

The dam is actually in an enclosed space with the pups. We had opened it up because it seemed like she was anxious about being near us and so we let her out and she came to each of us for some petting and would quickly return to check on her pups. Anyway, that freedom deteriorated into her trying to move the pups out. We have since closed the exit and the removal of the puppy has not reoccurred so we will be keeping it that way.

The runt is actually eating well and moves around a lot. Cries just as much as the others and is eager and latches on when feeding begins.
Besides that little roadblock, dam seems like a good mom. Defensive about her pups, covering them if we get close but no aggression. I won't be breeding her again just because My vet warned me of health risks (breast cancer etc).

Thanks again for your suggestions!!!

Classic behavior of precious, concerned, attentive mommas....they will not bite YOU, but gently let you know, by shielding their babies from your hand, they can handle their babies and thank you very much, but your hand is not needed in here!!! Sounds good! I am encouraged with this last post!
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Thanks so much for your replies. Yes the pups have been vet checked and no issues were found. I was told to monitor the runt to make sure he was latching on and to make sure the others were allowing him to feed.

The dam is actually in an enclosed space with the pups. We had opened it up because it seemed like she was anxious about being near us and so we let her out and she came to each of us for some petting and would quickly return to check on her pups. Anyway, that freedom deteriorated into her trying to move the pups out. We have since closed the exit and the removal of the puppy has not reoccurred so we will be keeping it that way.

The runt is actually eating well and moves around a lot. Cries just as much as the others and is eager and latches on when feeding begins.
Besides that little roadblock, dam seems like a good mom. Defensive about her pups, covering them if we get close but no aggression. I won't be breeding her again just because My vet warned me of health risks (breast cancer etc).

Thanks again for your suggestions!!!
I am so glad that everything is looking good it is great that you have your vet to support you and that mama is taking care of business!
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