Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 4550720)

I would be happy to answer most anything, and I don't think I'd be comfortable getting a puppy or dog from someone who doesn't screen buyers thoroughly. I may be incorrect, but sometimes the answers to the questions are not as important as the feeling of love that must come through. I know some people lie, but when someone truly values dogs, I think that comes through more through someone's feelings. I have been told by people who know me well that they can easily tell by looking at me when I am talking about Katie or my Rainbow Bridge babies. They have told me my face lights up whenever I talk about them. I have used the same vet for twenty years (except for the two years after I lost my last Yorkie and until I welcomed Katie into our lives), so I would gladly provide references. Before Katie, I filled out one application for a Biewer from a reputable breeder that we decided against because we weren't ready yet. We told the breeder that up front. We were asked if we wanted two of her females who she was retiring from breeding, so we were approved by this breeder. I think people may lie about a lot of things, but I don't think you can lie about love, but perhaps that's my own naïveté. When reading posts here on YT, I read the words, but what moves me much more is the feeling of love that is almost palpable.

I feel it is imperative to screen buyers throughly, and I have deep respect for breeders who care enough about the lives that they create to make sure they are forever loved, protected, and cared for. When I talk to a breeder, I want to hear the love they feel for their babies. There is no doubt in my mind that Katie's breeder loved her dearly. I see it in Katie's confidence and wonderful temperament and in her breeder's words as she talked about Katie, but more importantly, I felt the love she feels for Katie. I am very grateful that she entrusted me with our little girl.

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4550682)

I'd spoken to several breeders before settling on the one I purchased my yorkies from. Some questions I as a potential buyer, I just don't feel I should have to answer. Vet, character, and groomer(I groom myself) references I understand. Housing setup I understand as well (fenced in yard, etc). I had one breeder ask me if I planned on having anymore children. While I understood her reasoning (some people do abandon animals when a new baby comes along) it was not a question I felt she had a right ask and not one I was comfortable answering. My reproducing is no one's business but mine, my husband's, and my ob/gyn. Right then and there I knew I was not the right buyer for her and she wasn't the breeder for me. Not a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4550746)

There is no reason a breeder would not want to know what vet you will be using I think that would be an extremely important question especially if you have other dogs that is one of the best ways they can tell you take care of your animals. Sure you can go spend your money else where but a real reputable breeder wants to know that their puppy is going to be taken care of the best as possible.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4550746)

There is no reason a breeder would not want to know what vet you will be using I think that would be an extremely important question especially if you have other dogs that is one of the best ways they can tell you take care of your animals. Sure you can go spend your money else where but a real reputable breeder wants to know that their puppy is going to be taken care of the best as possible.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4550754)

Yes but do they actually call the vet????

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4550757)

If you've read my posts you'd know that I do NOT have a problem with a breeder asking for my vet's info. Certain questions imo are off limits to me. Whether or not I plan on becoming pregnant again happens to be one of those questions again for me. As I stated, I understood why she asks that particular question, but I feel she had no right to, thus I went with a different breeder I felt comfortable with and she went with a different buyer who had no problem answering questions which I find extremely private. No loss on either end. Not all reputable breeders ask what you plan on doing with your ovaries within the next year or two.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4550763)

I'm sorry I read it wrong I guess and even reread it and it sounded like did have a problem but I went back a reread it again the right way lol sorry. I definitely wasn't referring to your ovaries.

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4550757)

If you've read my posts you'd know that I do NOT have a problem with a breeder asking for my vet's info. Certain questions imo are off limits to me. Whether or not I plan on becoming pregnant again happens to be one of those questions again for me. As I stated, I understood why she asks that particular question, but I feel she had no right to, thus I went with a different breeder I felt comfortable with and she went with a different buyer who had no problem answering questions which I find extremely private. No loss on either end. Not all reputable breeders ask what you plan on doing with your ovaries within the next year or two.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4550754)

Yes but do they actually call the vet????

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4550767)

I'd find that kind of question highly intrusive and offensive, too. In a job interview it wouldn't be allowed and would be discriminatory.

And let's face it, life happens, and people's circumstances change. Nobody ever really knows anybody. You sell to someone who seems great and they hook up with a jackass. An older couple seem nice, but you don't know about the druggie daughter and her hellion kids who are going to move in with them two years down the road.

I'm not one for jumping through hoops. If I have cash, want to buy and one breeder won't sell...so what...on to the next one.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4550768)

I do.......I check all references given to me to check....

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4550773)

Because it's not that easy to find reputable breeders. In that sense you might as well got to a pet store. Dogs are living beings not a doll or book.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4550778)

I disagree. Finding a breeder I am willing to $$$ support is not a problem. Finding a breeder I am willing to support that has a puppy at the tine I am looking for one, can be a bit more tricky. But, it's just a matter of expanding your search. In three hours i can be on the other side of the state by car. In three hours by plane, I can be on the other side of the country. I'm willing to travel to get what I want.

How you bring a pet store into the mix is beyond me...I don't follow your thinking. $$$ is power I wont buy anything at a store that sells pets, because I won't hand over a penny of my money to support such a place. I'm not one of those imbeciles that claims they dont support puppy mills but buy harnesses, toys, food and such.at a store that sells pets :confused:

Unfortunately, pets ARE property. i don't agree with it, but legally, they are. In my world you'd have to legally adopt a pet into your family just like you do a child, and be responsible for them for life. And just like with kids, if you chose to walk away and abandon your responsibilities, there are financial support consequences. You'd be obligated to support that pet for its life, your wages would be garnished, liens put on your property, and your tax refund taken. Maybe then, people would seriously stop and think before adding a pet to their family unit, instead of doing so with little thought. Maybe then people would view their pet as a living, thinking, feeling sentient being, not property to be disposed of on a whim.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4550778)

I disagree. Finding a breeder I am willing to $$$ support is not a problem. Finding a breeder I am willing to support that has a puppy at the tine I am looking for one, can be a bit more tricky. But, it's just a matter of expanding your search. In three hours i can be on the other side of the state by car. In three hours by plane, I can be on the other side of the country. I'm willing to travel to get what I want.

How you bring a pet store into the mix is beyond me...I don't follow your thinking. $$$ is power I wont buy anything at a store that sells pets, because I won't hand over a penny of my money to support such a place. I'm not one of those imbeciles that claims they dont support puppy mills but buy harnesses, toys, food and such.at a store that sells pets :confused:

Unfortunately, pets ARE property. i don't agree with it, but legally, they are. In my world you'd have to legally adopt a pet into your family just like you do a child, and be responsible for them for life. And just like with kids, if you chose to walk away and abandon your responsibilities, there are financial support consequences. You'd be obligated to support that pet for its life, your wages would be garnished, liens put on your property, and your tax refund taken. Maybe then, people would seriously stop and think before adding a pet to their family unit, instead of doing so with little thought. Maybe then people would view their pet as a living, thinking, feeling sentient being, not property to be disposed of on a whim.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4550784)

Real reputable breeders are not that easy to find.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4551045)

As reputable means highly regarding, respected, well thought of....
it is a subjective term. What you hold in high regard and have a good opinion of, I may not, and vice versa.

When it comes to my money, your opinion means nothing.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4551047)

Well let's say a breeder who follows the Yorkshire Terrier Club of Americas rules of ethics. I can't help but think that last sentence was very nasty! Sure you can support any old back yard breeder doing nothing good for the breed if you want because it is your money, I on the other hand prefer to only support reputable breeders who are breeding to better the breed and for the good of the breed.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4551047)

Well let's say a breeder who follows the Yorkshire Terrier Club of Americas rules of ethics. I can't help but think that last sentence was very nasty! Sure you can support any old back yard breeder doing nothing good for the breed if you want because it is your money, I on the other hand prefer to only support reputable breeders who are breeding to better the breed and for the good of the breed.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4551045)

As reputable means highly regarding, respected, well thought of....
it is a subjective term. What you hold in high regard and have a good opinion of, I may not, and vice versa.

When it comes to my money, your opinion means nothing.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4551061)

You repeatedly draw a lot of strange conclusions from what is NOT written. Your lack of logic baffles me.
'I don't care what other people think of how I spend my money therefore I must support BYBs'. Its a completely invalid and erroneous sequence.

Please! Get off your high horse! This is not the first time I have been subjected to implications &snarky comments by you about what a horrible breeder I must have bought from.

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4551072)

I like you! I really, really do!!! What one person may see as reputable others may see as not. Not everyone believes in all the guidelines of YTCA, but some do. What I may look for in a breeder the next person may see as ridiculous and expecting too much while someone else may think I'm not asking enough.

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4551072)

I like you! I really, really do!!! What one person may see as reputable others may see as not. Not everyone believes in all the guidelines of YTCA, but some do. What I may look for in a breeder the next person may see as ridiculous and expecting too much while someone else may think I'm not asking enough.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4551080)

The general reason a reputable breeder breeds is to better the breed so if your doing that I would think you are reputable.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4551080)

The general reason a reputable breeder breeds is to better the breed so if your doing that I would think you are reputable.

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4551082)

But what you may think of is bettering a breed someone else could think is not. I'm going to assume you mean bettering by breeding to the YTCA standard, but there are breeders who are just as reputable to who you may consider a great breeder but may disagree with any part of the YTCA standard. For example: tail docking, parti colors, etc. You may find someone who does those things not reputable, but that would not cross them off my list of breeders I may contact.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4551083)

Many show breeders IMO are focused on peddling their pretties around the ring like a childhood pageant of sorts and you find out that the health of some of them isn't so great. Bettering the breed should first and foremost be about health.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4551061)

You repeatedly draw a lot of strange conclusions from what is NOT written. Your lack of logic baffles me.
'I don't care what other people think of how I spend my money therefore I must support BYBs'. Its a completely invalid and erroneous sequence.

Please! Get off your high horse! This is not the first time I have been subjected to implications &snarky comments by you about what a horrible breeder I must have bought from.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4551089)

I agree. I know a lot of the standards for certain dogs are just not healthy.