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Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4439632)
LOL what difference does that make how the dog got pregnant:confused::confused::confused:, the current situation is what we are addressing and the potential outcome which is an unplanned pregnancy with a dog of another breed. I know this is a yorkie site so it is understandable that most want to breed yorkies with only yorkies but at times when that does not happen it can wind up being an wonderful outcome. Pet owners often think with their heart like David did not like a pro breeder who would abort a mixed puppy even though they would make good pets. As long as the pregnant dog is large enough and healthy with the proper care and vet advice she should be able to deliver her puppies as well as any other pregnant female does.
You were the one who brought it up and were using it to compare stuff and they are two totally different situations. One is owner negligence and one is someone rescuing poorly cared for dogs. There is very much a difference.

Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4439661)
You know Donna it is a crap shoot , breeding mismatched if you will, you have no blinking idea what is behind the two dogs involved. You for sure have not done the breed specific heatlh tests before breeding. So what are you actually bringing into this world, on the backs of future puppy owners, and mayhap the life of your bitch.

Are you or she going to be financially responsible for any future health genetic defects?
:thumbup: people don't think about the poor pups who could spend there life suffering from genetic illness.

DBlain 05-20-2014 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4439661)
You know Donna it is a crap shoot , breeding mismatched if you will, you have no blinking idea what is behind the two dogs involved. You for sure have not done the breed specific heatlh tests before breeding. So what are you actually bringing into this world, on the backs of future puppy owners, and mayhap the life of your bitch.

Are you or she going to be financially responsible for any future health genetic defects?

in the real world outside of the show ring millions of mixed and purebred dogs are born every year with no prior genetic screening and like in life a percentage of those will have some type of health problems but most will not. Oddly enough when I got health insurance for Lola I was charged less because she is a mixed breed. I was told that mixed breeds have less health problems. My past three yorkies were from breeders that health tested, two died by age 9, from health related problems, one from a genetic disorder that we treated him for since about age three, the other one as much as I hate to say it, had a lot of emotional problems along with an extremely sensitive stomach. So IMHO it's all often a crap shoot and regardless whether you buy from a breeder that health tests or from a litter like the OP will have you best be prepared for whatever comes your way in expenses.

DBlain 05-20-2014 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4439667)
You were the one who brought it up and were using it to compare stuff and they are two totally different situations. One is owner negligence and one is someone rescuing poorly cared for dogs. There is very much a difference.

I guess if you don't get it, you just don't get it, but I will try one more time. I am talking about the situation about the dog being pregnant NOW and the impending litter. So why would the way the dogs I am speaking about got pregnant matter on how the litter turned out. To me the situation is exactly the same, two dogs non health tested with the female carrying a mixed litter. Puppies born from either that litter or any of the thousands of ones born this year could have health risks.

Buying a puppy, a rescue, an adult dog is always a risk you never know what can happen, it can get stepped on it can fall off something, it could jump up and hit it's head so everyone should be prepared for expenses.

Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4439680)
in the real world outside of the show ring millions of mixed and purebred dogs are born every year with no prior genetic screening and like in life a percentage of those will have some type of health problems but most will not. Oddly enough when I got health insurance for Lola I was charged less because she is a mixed breed. I was told that mixed breeds have less health problems. My past three yorkies were from breeders that health tested, two died by age 9, from health related problems, one from a genetic disorder that we treated him for since about age three, the other one as much as I hate to say it, had a lot of emotional problems along with an extremely sensitive stomach. So IMHO it's all often a crap shoot and regardless whether you buy from a breeder that health tests or from a litter like the OP will have you best be prepared for whatever comes your way in expenses.
A lot of dogs do have health issues that are genetic go hang out in the sick and injured section or even a vets office. It's a myth that mixes are healthier. Just being a show breeder does not make you a good breeder and I'm sure some of the tests that can be done now where not available then.

Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4439683)
I guess if you don't get it, you just don't get it, but I will try one more time. I am talking about the situation about the dog being pregnant NOW and the impending litter. So why would the way the dogs I am speaking about got pregnant matter on how the litter turned out. To me the situation is exactly the same, two dogs non health tested with the female carrying a mixed litter. Puppies born from either that litter or any of the thousands of ones born this year could have health risks.

Buying a puppy, a rescue, an adult dog is always a risk you never know what can happen, it can get stepped on it can fall off something, it could jump up and hit it's head so everyone should be prepared for expenses.
And I disagree a lot has to do with how it happened in my opinion. One got somebody else's mess and the other created the mess.

DBlain 05-20-2014 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4439710)
A lot of dogs do have health issues that are genetic go hang out in the sick and injured section or even a vets office. It's a myth that mixes are healthier. Just being a show breeder does not make you a good breeder and I'm sure some of the tests that can be done now where not available then.
so then I guess you are agreeing with me it is crap shoot


and I guess million dollar companies price their policies based on myths, not statistical data and studies done by actuarial scientists:D

Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4439722)
so then I guess you are agreeing with me it is crap shoot


and I guess million dollar companies price their policies based on myths, not statistical data and studies done by actuarial scientists:D
You said most dogs with no screening will not get genetic illnesses and thats not true. It is a myth but believe what you want. Insurance company's are always going to be out there to make money so if you want to trust them in that go ahead.

DBlain 05-20-2014 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4439712)
And I disagree a lot has to do with how it happened in my opinion. One got somebody else's mess and the other created the mess.
when I post something I try to explain what forms my opinion so I am still trying to figure this out, please explain how because one person adopted a dog that was pregnant that dog will have a better outcome then the person that's dog got pregnant after they owned it will. Could it be your judgment of how the pregnancy happened that is coloring your opinion on how it will develop. Several of our members have made these type of judgments before only to wind up with egg on their face or chase a new member away.

I guess if you follow that line of thinking a father could say to his daughter that is unwed that she is not going to have as good of a baby as her sister who is married.

DBlain 05-20-2014 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4439723)
You said most dogs with no screening will not get genetic illnesses and thats not true. It is a myth but believe what you want. Insurance company's are always going to be out there to make money so if you want to trust them in that go ahead.
It is TRUE that MOST dogs with no genetic testing will have no illnesses. If that was not the case there would hardly be any dogs left in the world, they would have self extinguished themselves by now.

You live in a Yorkie Talk bubble, for every one dog that has a genetic health panel run on their family tree there are hundreds of thousands of others out there that have not, the law of average is in the favor of getting a dog with few problems, if it were not people would stop owning dogs. And the majority of the buying public does not want to pay on average $1,500 to $2,000.00 for a pet.

Of course Insurance companies are out to make money therefore they charge based on risk, like car insurance, young drivers pay more than more experienced ones, drivers with bad records pay more than those with good records, young people with no health issues pay less than older people with heart issues or diabetes, so it's the same with dogs.

DBlain 05-20-2014 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Clairewijay (Post 4439446)
Hi
A few days after I got my year old Yorkie, she got away from me in the park. I didn't know she was on heat and she had a 'misalliance' with a German Spitz. She is a fairly large Yorkie (4.6kg) but he was a bit bigger than her. I was planning to get an emergency spay but pulled out after a scan confirmed she is definitely carrying 3 or 4 puppies. I just didn't have the heart to kill them. I am now giving her proper antenatal care, but have a few questions. What do I actually need for whelping? The products available are overwhelming me! Any clue what the puppies will be like? The vet has no idea. I am not worried about finding homes as I'm in London, England and unusual hybrids are quite popular. The father is a pedigree stud dog and the breed is supposedly valuable. Wish Lola's puppies were going to be pure Yorkies (she now has a Yorkie boyfriend called Bombi), but I'm sure they'll be beautiful anyway. Any advice gratefully received.
I just read something on one of your other posts that you or none of the others mentioned, I see your pup is not quite a year old, or maybe barely that now. From everything I have read that is to young, so you need to listen to the advice of your vet and even seek a second opinion if possible.

For all the reasons I stated in my previous posts I do feel that healthy pups can be born to healthy parents of mixed breeds, but I would never encourage one to do this to a young pup.

chachi 05-20-2014 03:46 PM
Im more concerned for the mother dog since the father is bigger and its confirmed she will have 3-4 pups. I just hope shes able to deliver them safely

Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4439736)
It is TRUE that MOST dogs with no genetic testing will have no illnesses. If that was not the case there would hardly be any dogs left in the world, they would have self extinguished themselves by now.

You live in a Yorkie Talk bubble, for every one dog that has a genetic health panel run on their family tree there are hundreds of thousands of others out there that have not, the law of average is in the favor of getting a dog with few problems, if it were not people would stop owning dogs. And the majority of the buying public does not want to pay on average $1,500 to $2,000.00 for a pet.

Of course Insurance companies are out to make money therefore they charge based on risk, like car insurance, young drivers pay more than more experienced ones, drivers with bad records pay more than those with good records, young people with no health issues pay less than older people with heart issues or diabetes, so it's the same with dogs.
Haha I wish. Whatever you say Donna.......

Lovetodream88 05-20-2014 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4439729)
when I post something I try to explain what forms my opinion so I am still trying to figure this out, please explain how because one person adopted a dog that was pregnant that dog will have a better outcome then the person that's dog got pregnant after they owned it will. Could it be your judgment of how the pregnancy happened that is coloring your opinion on how it will develop. Several of our members have made these type of judgments before only to wind up with egg on their face or chase a new member away.

I guess if you follow that line of thinking a father could say to his daughter that is unwed that she is not going to have as good of a baby as her sister who is married.
Well you know it all Donna so what would be the point..........

lynzy420 05-20-2014 05:14 PM
Omg the analogy of the unwed daughter hahaha now honestly that makes no sense, but was funny to read! For the record, my children are highly intelligent one is a lawyer and one is out saving all the dogs and Nonchristians in Turkey...but my wedded brothers offspring own pit bulls, have tattoos and work at wild wings...just sayin


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