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bjh · 09-24-2013, 04:00 AM

Crying is normal if it is just occasional, like if the momma is cleaning them, if they get separated from the group, if momma leaves them for a moment or if they are hungry. A puppy that has a steady cry usually has a problem. You need to make sure all the puppies are latching on. For example, a puppy with a cleft palate will try to nurse but will be unable to latch.

The puppies should have round bellies. They should be eating every couple of hours. As they get older they will not eat as often.

Make sure momma is not to hot. If the momma gets to hot it will slow down her milk production. Is the momma eating well?

jaydoubledub · 09-24-2013, 06:38 AM

Momma is well. Not too hot. The warmest it's been in tye pack was 94. I tried feeding her but she didn't seem to want it. I manually opened her mouth to help her latch and she sort of did.... I went to bed at about 230 and when I got up a couple hours ago, I found she passed. I'm pretty sad about it. She was the first one out and made me so happy to see when she came...
I tried for about 20 mins to rub her but nothing. She was cold so she probably passed shortly after being left with mom. All the others may have been pushing her out of the way. When I was latching her I was getting all the other 3 trying to push her out of their way...
Damn...

jaydoubledub · 09-24-2013, 07:06 AM

Has anyone lost neonatal pups before? This really sucks a lot. if my roommate weren't here, I dunno. I'm not a softie normally except for my family. My pets are my family too.

lovespandp · 09-24-2013, 07:32 AM

Beautiful babies!!! Can't wait to watch the lil stinkers grow.

lovespandp · 09-24-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jaydoubledub

Momma is well. Not too hot. The warmest it's been in tye pack was 94. I tried feeding her but she didn't seem to want it. I manually opened her mouth to help her latch and she sort of did.... I went to bed at about 230 and when I got up a couple hours ago, I found she passed. I'm pretty sad about it. She was the first one out and made me so happy to see when she came...
I tried for about 20 mins to rub her but nothing. She was cold so she probably passed shortly after being left with mom. All the others may have been pushing her out of the way. When I was latching her I was getting all the other 3 trying to push her out of their way...
Damn...

I'm sorry you lost one. I know that is the hardest part.

bjh · 09-24-2013, 07:54 AM

I am sorry the little one did not make it. Yes, sometimes newborns will die for a variety of reasons. If she had a cleft palate she would not have been getting the nutrition she needs. That is why is it so important to know soon after the pups are born if they are all able to latch on tightly. Also that is why you monitor their weight gain.

I will also say something that I have been quiet about but I feel that it needs to be said. After seeing the pictures of the momma whelping the puppies I was shocked that you just let the momma do everything. I don't believe in just letting the momma rely on her natural instincts. By letting the momma cut the cords you are risking the lives of the babies because sometimes a momma will cut the cord to short and expose the insides of the pups. Sometimes the momma will chew off a foot while cutting the cords. Also by letting the puppy lie there in the sack the puppy could have been inhaling fluids into it's lungs. The first pup could of been in the birth canal too long. Instead of calling ER you should of been working the puppy out of the birth canal, breaking the sack and getting the fluids out of her lungs. I am not saying this to be harsh but just so you will know that if you whelp another litter it is recommended that you be more hands on and don't be just a spectator.

For now it is very important that the momma eats lots of food. What have you been feeding her prior to her having puppies? You need to try to keep her on her basic diet but you can add some canned puppy food (I prefer Pedigree canned puppy food mixed with Pedigree Healthy Digestion). You can scramble her some eggs. You probably will need to hand feed her for awhile. Keep a close eye on the momma's teats. If they start getting hard and red then that is a sign she is getting mastitis and she would need to go to the vets.

Yorkiemom1 · 09-24-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh

I am sorry the little one did not make it. Yes, sometimes newborns will die for a variety of reasons. If she had a cleft palate she would not have been getting the nutrition she needs. That is why is it so important to know soon after the pups are born if they are all able to latch on tightly. Also that is why you monitor their weight gain.

I will also say something that I have been quiet about but I feel that it needs to be said. After seeing the pictures of the momma whelping the puppies I was shocked that you just let the momma do everything. I don't believe in just letting the momma rely on her natural instincts. By letting the momma cut the cords you are risking the lives of the babies because sometimes a momma will cut the cord to short and expose the insides of the pups. Sometimes the momma will chew off a foot while cutting the cords. Also by letting the puppy lie there in the sack the puppy could have been inhaling fluids into it's lungs. The first pup could of been in the birth canal too long. Instead of calling ER you should of been working the puppy out of the birth canal, breaking the sack and getting the fluids out of her lungs. I am not saying this to be harsh but just so you will know that if you whelp another litter it is recommended that you be more hands on and don't be just a spectator.

For now it is very important that the momma eats lots of food. What have you been feeding her prior to her having puppies? You need to try to keep her on her basic diet but you can add some canned puppy food (I prefer Pedigree canned puppy food mixed with Pedigree Healthy Digestion). You can scramble her some eggs. You probably will need to hand feed her for awhile. Keep a close eye on the momma's teats. If they start getting hard and red then that is a sign she is getting mastitis and she would need to go to the vets.

I use Royal Canin HT 42d with all my breeding ladies as well as canned RC puppy food and Starter kibble.

jaydoubledub · 09-24-2013, 09:24 AM

Thank you. And I know what you mean. I helped Shy on all of them. Most on the first one and third. I nipped the sac open for her on the first girl and I believe the second.

bjh · 09-24-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I use Royal Canin HT 42d with all my breeding ladies as well as canned RC puppy food and Starter kibble.

I have used Chicken Soup For the Puppy Lover's Soul dry food for years and have been very happy with it. I just add a little canned food to encourage the momma to eat better. Over the years I have had some females that would eat nothing but canned food for the first few days or so after they had their pups. The most important thing is that they eat a good balanced meal.

Also I meant to mention that the new momma should be given a calcium supplement.

jaydoubledub · 09-24-2013, 09:27 AM

Thank you. And I know what you mean. I helped Shy on all of them. Most on the first one and third. I nipped the sac open for her on the first girl and I believe the second. Two cords I clamped with hemostats and cut with bandage scissors. One of them she kept trying to nibble down shorter. I kept her from doing that and eventually it dried of where i tied with suture.

jaydoubledub · 09-24-2013, 09:30 AM

The entire month before delivery she ate dry dog food, Wellness, and mixed with wet dog food. She would get a little of Blue premium wet mixed in with her Wellness. She's on the same diet. The Wellness mix is the puppy formula.

bjh · 09-24-2013, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydoubledub

Thank you. And I know what you mean. I helped Shy on all of them. Most on the first one and third. I nipped the sac open for her on the first girl and I believe the second. Two cords I clamped with hemostats and cut with bandage scissors. One of them she kept trying to nibble down shorter. I kept her from doing that and eventually it dried of where i tied with suture.

Thanks you for explaining that. Just from what you had previously posted it looked like you were just taking pictures and letting Shy do all the work. I just did not want others that are not familiar with whelping to think that it was okay to just watch. So many things can go wrong.

I am glad she is on a good food. You just need to make sure she eats about 4 times a day. If she ate all 4 afterbirth then that will effect her appetite for awhile.

jaydoubledub · 09-24-2013, 10:20 AM

I read and talked to her vet about the sacs and cord issues. I only gave Shy a few moments on the sacs and then I opened them for her. The last one I didn't want to let her eat but she practically swallowed it whole!

JuliannaB · 09-24-2013, 11:09 AM

Wow! Through this thread I have learned some about breeding Yorkies. I am thankful for that, and should mention that it was never a thought of mine to breed my Bailey... and it sounds like it was a good thought. I certainly would have done my homework if I chose a different path though. Knowing I didn't want to breed mine, I got him fixed as soon as was possible. I can read the frustration to be on both sides of this particular thread

I would like to believe that all responses here were done in good faith and, however they were written, with great love and compassion for Yorkies. In the end I just wish the best for Shy and her possible future pups. Cheers!

JuliannaB · 09-24-2013, 11:41 AM

Oops! My bad on not looking to see that there was more on this thread... as I didn't realize that Shy had her pups already

I will check in future before posting. Please forgive my ignorance. Having said that, I'm so glad to hear that things are going well!!!

09-24-2013, 04:00 AM	#136
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	Crying is normal if it is just occasional, like if the momma is cleaning them, if they get separated from the group, if momma leaves them for a moment or if they are hungry. A puppy that has a steady cry usually has a problem. You need to make sure all the puppies are latching on. For example, a puppy with a cleft palate will try to nurse but will be unable to latch. The puppies should have round bellies. They should be eating every couple of hours. As they get older they will not eat as often. Make sure momma is not to hot. If the momma gets to hot it will slow down her milk production. Is the momma eating well? __________________ "Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

09-24-2013, 07:32 AM	#139
lovespandp ♥Momma's Bambino♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ca Posts: 10,026	Beautiful babies!!! Can't wait to watch the lil stinkers grow. __________________ "People with nothing to hide don't usually feel the need to say so."

09-24-2013, 07:54 AM	#141
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	I am sorry the little one did not make it. Yes, sometimes newborns will die for a variety of reasons. If she had a cleft palate she would not have been getting the nutrition she needs. That is why is it so important to know soon after the pups are born if they are all able to latch on tightly. Also that is why you monitor their weight gain. I will also say something that I have been quiet about but I feel that it needs to be said. After seeing the pictures of the momma whelping the puppies I was shocked that you just let the momma do everything. I don't believe in just letting the momma rely on her natural instincts. By letting the momma cut the cords you are risking the lives of the babies because sometimes a momma will cut the cord to short and expose the insides of the pups. Sometimes the momma will chew off a foot while cutting the cords. Also by letting the puppy lie there in the sack the puppy could have been inhaling fluids into it's lungs. The first pup could of been in the birth canal too long. Instead of calling ER you should of been working the puppy out of the birth canal, breaking the sack and getting the fluids out of her lungs. I am not saying this to be harsh but just so you will know that if you whelp another litter it is recommended that you be more hands on and don't be just a spectator. For now it is very important that the momma eats lots of food. What have you been feeding her prior to her having puppies? You need to try to keep her on her basic diet but you can add some canned puppy food (I prefer Pedigree canned puppy food mixed with Pedigree Healthy Digestion). You can scramble her some eggs. You probably will need to hand feed her for awhile. Keep a close eye on the momma's teats. If they start getting hard and red then that is a sign she is getting mastitis and she would need to go to the vets. __________________ "Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

09-24-2013, 06:38 AM	#137
jaydoubledub Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91	Momma is well. Not too hot. The warmest it's been in tye pack was 94. I tried feeding her but she didn't seem to want it. I manually opened her mouth to help her latch and she sort of did.... I went to bed at about 230 and when I got up a couple hours ago, I found she passed. I'm pretty sad about it. She was the first one out and made me so happy to see when she came... I tried for about 20 mins to rub her but nothing. She was cold so she probably passed shortly after being left with mom. All the others may have been pushing her out of the way. When I was latching her I was getting all the other 3 trying to push her out of their way... Damn...

09-24-2013, 07:06 AM	#138
jaydoubledub Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91	Has anyone lost neonatal pups before? This really sucks a lot. if my roommate weren't here, I dunno. I'm not a softie normally except for my family. My pets are my family too.

09-24-2013, 09:24 AM	#143
jaydoubledub Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91	Thank you. And I know what you mean. I helped Shy on all of them. Most on the first one and third. I nipped the sac open for her on the first girl and I believe the second.

09-24-2013, 09:27 AM	#145
jaydoubledub Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91	Thank you. And I know what you mean. I helped Shy on all of them. Most on the first one and third. I nipped the sac open for her on the first girl and I believe the second. Two cords I clamped with hemostats and cut with bandage scissors. One of them she kept trying to nibble down shorter. I kept her from doing that and eventually it dried of where i tied with suture.

09-24-2013, 09:30 AM	#146
jaydoubledub Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91	The entire month before delivery she ate dry dog food, Wellness, and mixed with wet dog food. She would get a little of Blue premium wet mixed in with her Wellness. She's on the same diet. The Wellness mix is the puppy formula.

09-24-2013, 10:20 AM	#148
jaydoubledub Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91	I read and talked to her vet about the sacs and cord issues. I only gave Shy a few moments on the sacs and then I opened them for her. The last one I didn't want to let her eat but she practically swallowed it whole!

09-24-2013, 11:09 AM	#149
JuliannaB YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: canada Posts: 782	Wow! Through this thread I have learned some about breeding Yorkies. I am thankful for that, and should mention that it was never a thought of mine to breed my Bailey... and it sounds like it was a good thought. I certainly would have done my homework if I chose a different path though. Knowing I didn't want to breed mine, I got him fixed as soon as was possible. I can read the frustration to be on both sides of this particular thread I would like to believe that all responses here were done in good faith and, however they were written, with great love and compassion for Yorkies. In the end I just wish the best for Shy and her possible future pups. Cheers!

09-24-2013, 11:41 AM	#150
JuliannaB YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: canada Posts: 782	Oops! My bad on not looking to see that there was more on this thread... as I didn't realize that Shy had her pups already I will check in future before posting. Please forgive my ignorance. Having said that, I'm so glad to hear that things are going well!!!