looking for YT breeder in Central Florida

[jeane]

[gemy]

Originally Posted by lorideramus

Just because my dogs are ckc doesn't make them mixed breeds ckc has full bloodedyorkies as mine are so why should I stop breeding my pups don't get 20 pounds by the way

Let us start with a few questions; shall we? Have you championshiped your dogs in any kind of show venue? Have you had them at least evaluated by a very experienced show breeder, as to how well they meet the standard for the breed? You have not done the genetic and pre breeding testing, why not?

If you are breeding off standard Yorkies with the wrong coat type and color, from unknown health lineages,and oversized, then you are doing a dis-service to this breed, and to the future owners of your pups.

We have enough health problems in Yorkies, temperament problems, and quite simply YOrkies being bred that don't meet the standard producing pups that in themselves deviate more from the standard, that it is becoming embarrassing to try to understand what is a Yorkie anymore.

You will never ever get to improve your lines by breeding ckc yorkies. No reputable breeder will sell you a female, or stud out their male to your lines.

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by normarae63

I, for one, find it very disturbing that you would even stoop to the level this post conveys. SO WHAT?, if people do stay on YT. That's their choice & I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with the way they've been raised.

Frankly, I find it pathetic that Lori feels the need to have her relatives come on to speak up for her immoral & unethical practices.

Thank you Sherry, my thoughts exactly!!!

[normarae63]

Originally Posted by gemy

Let us start with a few questions; shall we? Have you championshiped your dogs in any kind of show venue? Have you had them at least evaluated by a very experienced show breeder, as to how well they meet the standard for the breed? You have not done the genetic and pre breeding testing, why not?

If you are breeding off standard Yorkies with the wrong coat type and color, from unknown health lineages,and oversized, then you are doing a dis-service to this breed, and to the future owners of your pups.

We have enough health problems in Yorkies, temperament problems, and quite simply YOrkies being bred that don't meet the standard producing pups that in themselves deviate more from the standard, that it is becoming embarrassing to try to understand what is a Yorkie anymore.

You will never ever get to improve your lines by breeding ckc yorkies. No reputable breeder will sell you a female, or stud out their male to your lines.

I'm sorry Gemy for derailing your attempt to reach this person again...Thank you for doing what you do for the pups!

Lori- Gemy is a fantastic breeder of other breeds. You would learn so much if you'd just open herself up to the fact that CKC pups shouldn't even exist. By that, I mean, EVERY dog owner deserves to know the lineage of their animals & what medical testing has been done to ensure that lineage. CKC to an educated buyer is a huge red flag that shows none of this has been done.

[gemy]

Thanks Norma, but really just one breed the BRT. And yes I have a GCH male Yorkie, who may be bred if his breeder finds a good match for him. I also have a GCH male BRT. Who I pulled last year from my breeding program. Why? Because he came up with his last CERF;s with get this Juvenile Cataract at 5 yrs old..... Small in the right eye, doesn't infringe on his vision according to the opthamologist but there. Coupled with what I now believe to be DLSS; two counts and you are out. I had frozen his sperm, because he was such a grand representative of the breed. This was when he was two years old, and winning a whole lot of everything in sight. I can not countenance passing on this to any future pups either the cataracts or the DLSS which btw has never been shown to be present in the BRT breed! I in a moment of true strength had his sperm destroyed so that I could not be tempted in the future to use it. Non breeders might not know the heartache that entailed. He is such a great dog! Perfect guard and working dog from the old lines. Stable temperament, so easily trained, so wonderfull a companion. But trust me, you don't want to meet him if you break into our home!

So depending on where you fall on the line, because I have a full male Yorkie who could be "bred" someday I might qualify as breeding two breeds.

And yes I don't have a website. Don't want one either, I want to deal one on one with folks. But I am kind of thinking of setting one up, just to get out there about the breed, the testing, the health challenges, the training necessaties et al.


So this is the true heartache of a show breeder. If money was my only concern I would have kept that sperm to impregnate my next female BRT.

I will not do this. I don't want to be tempted. And yes my Magic is still alive but what I did by destroying his sperm from a young lad, was to affirm my belief that he should not be bred. Despite his very many many good working qualities!

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by gemy

Thanks Norma, but really just one breed the BRT. And yes I have a GCH male Yorkie, who may be bred if his breeder finds a good match for him. I also have a GCH male BRT. Who I pulled last year from my breeding program. Why? Because he came up with his last CERF;s with get this Juvenile Cataract at 5 yrs old..... Small in the right eye, doesn't infringe on his vision according to the opthamologist but there. Coupled with what I now believe to be DLSS; two counts and you are out. I had frozen his sperm, because he was such a grand representative of the breed. This was when he was two years old, and winning a whole lot of everything in sight. I can not countenance passing on this to any future pups either the cataracts or the DLSS which btw has never been shown to be present in the BRT breed! I in a moment of true strength had his sperm destroyed so that I could not be tempted in the future to use it. Non breeders might not know the heartache that entailed. He is such a great dog! Perfect guard and working dog from the old lines. Stable temperament, so easily trained, so wonderfull a companion. But trust me, you don't want to meet him if you break into our home!

So depending on where you fall on the line, because I have a full male Yorkie who could be "bred" someday I might qualify as breeding two breeds.

And yes I don't have a website. Don't want one either, I want to deal one on one with folks. But I am kind of thinking of setting one up, just to get out there about the breed, the testing, the health challenges, the training necessaties et al.


So this is the true heartache of a show breeder. If money was my only concern I would have kept that sperm to impregnate my next female BRT.

I will not do this. I don't want to be tempted. And yes my Magic is still alive but what I did by destroying his sperm from a young lad, was to affirm my belief that he should not be bred. Despite his very many many good working qualities!

Gemy I'm so sorry you had to pull him from your breeding program....you have reaffirmed what a good breeder does....all to better the breed.

Sorry I have to ask what is DLSS?

[gemy]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Gemy I'm so sorry you had to pull him from your breeding program....you have reaffirmed what a good breeder does....all to better the breed.

Sorry I have to ask what is DLSS?

Degenerative Lumbo Sacrum Syndrome.

It causes neurological impairments to the hindquarters and to the rear legs.

In German Shepherds it is thought to be a genetic inherited disease, In BRT's it has been unknown for us here in North America until Magic.

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by gemy

Degenerative Lumbo Sacrum Syndrome.

It causes neurological impairments to the hindquarters and to the rear legs.

In German Shepherds it is thought to be a genetic inherited disease, In BRT's it has been unknown for us here in North America until Magic.

Thank you Gemy...more learning and reading for me. Magic is the first to be found to have this?....Wow!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Thank you Gemy...more learning and reading for me. Magic is the first to be found to have this?....Wow!

In this breed and in North America. But that doesn't mean some other BRT has had this and it has been either un-diagnosed or un-reported. Especially if the symptoms are mild.

The definitive diagnosis is supposedly through an MRI, which I had done, after he did not heal up well from a traumatic fall/injury. The MRI did NOT confirm DLSS, this was shortly before his third birthday. But OVC stayed with their diagnosis never the less, based on clinical examination and symptoms.
So nothing definitive on Xrays, I had at 18 mths and 2yrs had hips and elbows done as we do for breeding dogs, again more Xrays and nothing showed up boney wise in terms of changes to the lower lumbar spine or sacrum.

But we continued to have had flare ups after all his physio and water rehab. If I trained him too hard in his advanced obedience, ie taking jumps (which he loves to do) symptoms would re-appear.

Arthritic or boney changes have now been noted on more recent Xrays of his lumbar spine, which would be consistent with DLSS.

Anyhoo that is his story as abbreviated as much as I could do.

[Verbena]

Originally Posted by gemy

Thanks Norma, but really just one breed the BRT. And yes I have a GCH male Yorkie, who may be bred if his breeder finds a good match for him. I also have a GCH male BRT. Who I pulled last year from my breeding program. Why? Because he came up with his last CERF;s with get this Juvenile Cataract at 5 yrs old..... Small in the right eye, doesn't infringe on his vision according to the opthamologist but there. Coupled with what I now believe to be DLSS; two counts and you are out. I had frozen his sperm, because he was such a grand representative of the breed. This was when he was two years old, and winning a whole lot of everything in sight. I can not countenance passing on this to any future pups either the cataracts or the DLSS which btw has never been shown to be present in the BRT breed! I in a moment of true strength had his sperm destroyed so that I could not be tempted in the future to use it. Non breeders might not know the heartache that entailed. He is such a great dog! Perfect guard and working dog from the old lines. Stable temperament, so easily trained, so wonderfull a companion. But trust me, you don't want to meet him if you break into our home!

So depending on where you fall on the line, because I have a full male Yorkie who could be "bred" someday I might qualify as breeding two breeds.

And yes I don't have a website. Don't want one either, I want to deal one on one with folks. But I am kind of thinking of setting one up, just to get out there about the breed, the testing, the health challenges, the training necessaties et al.


So this is the true heartache of a show breeder. If money was my only concern I would have kept that sperm to impregnate my next female BRT.

I will not do this. I don't want to be tempted. And yes my Magic is still alive but what I did by destroying his sperm from a young lad, was to affirm my belief that he should not be bred. Despite his very many many good working qualities!

This is why we spend lots of time and energy researching a reputable breeder. We want breeders Gemy. All she sees is what is best for the breed. Bravo. Thank you for being a breeder that we search out!