Originally Posted by Micah my love (Post 4196771)

Deb i have waited for this post a very long time now, I have seen so many breeders bashed for asking a question, when some doing most of the talking didn't have a clue as to what it takes to whelp a litter, and did not know diddly squat about the person that was being criticized, there were so many knowledgeable breeders here that have left...I feel lucky to have known a few inc. you

Originally Posted by auntielaurie (Post 4196799)

Just a reminder...LOOSE MY NUMBER..I never want to hear from you again.

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 4196703)

Taylor, are you a breeder? You were judging her. You jumped all over her about breeding, and didn't help answer her question at all. She already is a breeder, she was asking about losing a puppy.
Did you know that AKC actually prefers a building. Home breeders have a bigger chance of an oops breeding, or death from a dog fight while unattended. What do you think most "home" breeders do for containment? A "Yorkie Room" with cage after cage, and sometimes stacked cages. Now, how is that better than a building with no wire flooring, and access to outside? I've currently got 7 Yorkies fighting for my lap, and my bed was too full of Yorkies last night to sleep, but I also have a building for the safety of young babies and breeding containment, with access to outside, heat, A/C, toys, amazing flooring, beds, and lots of room, not wire crates of some home breeders. I have cameras on every one, so that I can see and hear what's going on at all times.
All you've ever seen is the videos of mills that use wire flooring, dirty, matted dogs, living in disgusting conditions. It is deplorable how they treat those precious babies! However.. not all buildings are like that.
ALL Breeders need containment of some sort, and it's not always that black and white. We all need to do our homework, but maybe not be so opinionated.

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 4196703)

You know, I think she was just very sad and needed to vent. You know us.. we all cinch up our breeders pants and go on, learn, and prevent.
I hope she's not discouraged from coming back.
Yorkiemom I can feel your passion! You're right, we never quit learning, but she needs to be here for one of her avenues for learning, not mad and click off. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes have to take a break from here, and you brave it out. There are many posts you answer that I just cannot face, and we all appreciate what you've done to help. But this lady didn't sound like the typical "My dog bred by accident 2 times.. 2 different days", now what do I do?
Taylor, are you a breeder? You were judging her. You jumped all over her about breeding, and didn't help answer her question at all. She already is a breeder, she was asking about losing a puppy.
Did you know that AKC actually prefers a building. Home breeders have a bigger chance of an oops breeding, or death from a dog fight while unattended. What do you think most "home" breeders do for containment? A "Yorkie Room" with cage after cage, and sometimes stacked cages. Now, how is that better than a building with no wire flooring, and access to outside? I've currently got 7 Yorkies fighting for my lap, and my bed was too full of Yorkies last night to sleep, but I also have a building for the safety of young babies and breeding containment, with access to outside, heat, A/C, toys, amazing flooring, beds, and lots of room, not wire crates of some home breeders. I have cameras on every one, so that I can see and hear what's going on at all times.
All you've ever seen is the videos of mills that use wire flooring, dirty, matted dogs, living in disgusting conditions. It is deplorable how they treat those precious babies! However.. not all buildings are like that.
ALL Breeders need containment of some sort, and it's not always that black and white. We all need to do our homework, but maybe not be so opinionated.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4197151)

I know from my personal experience with the yorkies I know one of them being mine she would absolutely make her self very very sick if she was kept away from humans so i am just going by my experience and my opinion.

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 4196703)

You know, I think she was just very sad and needed to vent. You know us.. we all cinch up our breeders pants and go on, learn, and prevent.
I hope she's not discouraged from coming back.
Yorkiemom I can feel your passion! You're right, we never quit learning, but she needs to be here for one of her avenues for learning, not mad and click off. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes have to take a break from here, and you brave it out. There are many posts you answer that I just cannot face, and we all appreciate what you've done to help. But this lady didn't sound like the typical "My dog bred by accident 2 times.. 2 different days", now what do I do?
Taylor, are you a breeder? You were judging her. You jumped all over her about breeding, and didn't help answer her question at all. She already is a breeder, she was asking about losing a puppy.
Did you know that AKC actually prefers a building. Home breeders have a bigger chance of an oops breeding, or death from a dog fight while unattended. What do you think most "home" breeders do for containment? A "Yorkie Room" with cage after cage, and sometimes stacked cages. Now, how is that better than a building with no wire flooring, and access to outside? I've currently got 7 Yorkies fighting for my lap, and my bed was too full of Yorkies last night to sleep, but I also have a building for the safety of young babies and breeding containment, with access to outside, heat, A/C, toys, amazing flooring, beds, and lots of room, not wire crates of some home breeders. I have cameras on every one, so that I can see and hear what's going on at all times.
All you've ever seen is the videos of mills that use wire flooring, dirty, matted dogs, living in disgusting conditions. It is deplorable how they treat those precious babies! However.. not all buildings are like that.
ALL Breeders need containment of some sort, and it's not always that black and white. We all need to do our homework, but maybe not be so opinionated.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4197399)

Taylor what you missed in Amazing Yorkies response, was the fact that you never answered any of the OP's questions. The OP was asking about the loss rate of puppies amongst experienced breeders! And this was one thing Amazing Yorkie pointed out to you. Again you seemed to have missed at least some of what Amazing Yorkie said to you.

It appears to me that you actually didn't read the OP's whole and quite detailed post, but just "saw" outside kennel and equated that with some-one who is not "doing" things right, and jumped on that. Did you actually miss the fact that the kennel is heat and a/c'd with protected run areas? Did you miss the fact of the time and expense this breeder went to to save a puppy ? Did you miss the fact that she said she did a whole lot of health testing? It is obvious to me, you did not or were not able to bring into a contextual context the whole of the OP's post; including but not limited to the fact she was grieving the loss of her puppies!

When some-one comes here for help and especially help with a specific issue, step back please and let the more experienced folks help.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4197419)

I saw she said she was new to breeding so I thought I would put my opinion in I don't have to be a breeder to know its hard when you do it right. It did not say ac just heat, it didn't say she did health testing, and it didn't say protected runs either it said fenced in area. I also apologized to her and then later about my assumption of out buildings, all I have ever known was puppy mills and bybs that used them so all threads can teach everyone things even ones her are not the op. I do have to say if anyone read the terrible post she wrote to yorkiemom who was trying to help her before it was deleted I am not sure everyone would be as nice. It was terrible and if that's how lots of breeders on here get responded to like that its no wonder they leave. I was just shocked when I read it.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4197480)

Again you re-iterate you did not read her post - she was asking for information on puppy loss. And yes she said she was new to breeding - only having had 5 litters..... Health testing she did say in post 3 or so.
The point is and remains you did not answer any of her questions in her original posting - for how could you? You don't have the knowledge.

My point is. If you don't know the answer to the question asked - why answer?

What she responded to YorkieMom1 I don't know. But I do know she was upset and grieving her loss - and in that situation sometimes we re-act in a way we wouldn't in a calm situation.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4197498)

Well people tend to respond on all threads on this board weather they have answered the ops question or not. Yorkiemom is also dealing with the loss of two yorkies older yorkies that she has bonded with for years yet she still never called any one names of cussed at them.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4197480)

Again you re-iterate you did not read her post - she was asking for information on puppy loss. And yes she said she was new to breeding - only having had 5 litters..... Health testing she did say in post 3 or so.
The point is and remains you did not answer any of her questions in her original posting - for how could you? You don't have the knowledge.

My point is. If you don't know the answer to the question asked - why answer?

What she responded to YorkieMom1 I don't know. But I do know she was upset and grieving her loss - and in that situation sometimes we re-act in a way we wouldn't in a calm situation.