Yorkie lady
 

Just a reminder...LOOSE MY NUMBER..I never want to hear from you again.

And I second that! All of the experienced breeders have so much valuable information to share, based on actual experience. I sometimes wish that the members who are not actually breeders, who have no practical experience, and who have only "read" about breeding etc. to form their opinions, would state in their posts that is just their opinion based on research, and not from experience. Huge difference.

The average person asking for help has no way to differentiate between those with real knowledge and experience, and those who just talk like they have it.

BTW that is just my humble opinion, I am definitely not a breeder. But I have a huge amount of respect for those of you who are, and are trying to do it the right way. The fact that you offer your help to people on YT is amazingly generous and very commendable. Kudos to you all!

For our large breed, rarely are two adult males allowed free un attended roam of the house, and most particularly not when females are in heat. There if your only choice is in home, separate floors and crates for every-one.

Some breeders build large wrap around porches - weather protected and that can work well for the adult dogs. Puppies and nursing moms are house indoors and then in a separate secure room. If you have the space we like large fenced exercise areas, and most performance breeders have their equipment ready to go in that space.

It is important with my breed as with Yorkies that socialization starts early and well actually never really stops over the lifetime of the dog. So easy access to the house is key for many practical reasons.

We do not have many large scale breeders, so few have an actual separate kennel. Some convert a garage, some take a portion of their barn to convert. Many solutions.

One of my mentors has 8 BRT's and that is a whole lot of Care! She also has help, but still her life is mainly devoted to taking care of the dogs. Training, showing, grooming them et al.

Personally I'd love to have the space and (the money) to have a great room I think you call it in the States - with a separate entrance to the backyard and the runs. On entry I'd like to have a fancy foot bath thing, with a floor blow dryer, to get those dirty feet clean when then come in!. The great room will be for the dogs and would be off the kitchen so even if they are in their crates they are part of the bustle of the house. Of course a separate grooming would be nice too!

Oh yes our crates have padded beds, with sturdy washable covers - so no wire on feet!

AuntieLaurie - Just a thought for consideration
 

Right now you are in the process of grieving. Most experts say do not make any major decisions during this time frame.

So give yourself some time, there is no hurry to make up your mind, today or even next week.

I do hope you stick around, if only to do some reading here.

I offer help when asked for it.....you had asked for help, for "honest answers", and I gave that to you....I do not "force feed" information to anyone that is not interested.... I would have been using my valuable time from my own schedule, sharing information I was willing to share with you....you certainly have made it clear to me you are not interested in what I have to offer you.....that is perfectly fine with me....no hurt feelings here! What "number"???!! Again, good luck with what ever direction you take...wishing you only the best!

I am so glad you posted this, I almost never make a post in here because I am not a breeder so I feel I am not well enough informed about most of the subjects. But I have been around yorkies for over 25 years and several came from top of the line show breeders. I have been at their homes and homes of other serious breeders, many have out buildings that would rival some of our homes. I read that post shortly after it was written and came close to posting but changed my mind because I felt I did not have enough experience to comment. The breeder I bought two of my dogs from had the most beautiful building with a porch, a fenced in yard around the building and rotated dogs in and out of her house on a regular basis, plus she had a bed out there where she spent many a night with sick pups or during whelping. Like someone else said I wish that only people that bred answered questions or made judgment comments in this section. When you think about it, as a newbie you come specifically to the breeders section hoping to get help from breeders not just anyone that owns a computer, anyway Deb thanks for your comments on this.

I know from my personal experience with the yorkies I know one of them being mine she would absolutely make her self very very sick if she was kept away from humans so i am just going by my experience and my opinion.

Taylor what you missed in Amazing Yorkies response, was the fact that you never answered any of the OP's questions. The OP was asking about the loss rate of puppies amongst experienced breeders! And this was one thing Amazing Yorkie pointed out to you. Again you seemed to have missed at least some of what Amazing Yorkie said to you.

It appears to me that you actually didn't read the OP's whole and quite detailed post, but just "saw" outside kennel and equated that with some-one who is not "doing" things right, and jumped on that. Did you actually miss the fact that the kennel is heat and a/c'd with protected run areas? Did you miss the fact of the time and expense this breeder went to to save a puppy ? Did you miss the fact that she said she did a whole lot of health testing? It is obvious to me, you did not or were not able to bring into a contextual context the whole of the OP's post; including but not limited to the fact she was grieving the loss of her puppies!

When some-one comes here for help and especially help with a specific issue, step back please and let the more experienced folks help.

I honestly had no idea that good breeders used out buildings I had only ever seen and heard of puppy mills and bybs using them so I am sorry for that. I still think I might be a little uncomfortable with it because I wouldn't really know if my puppy got enough human interaction.

I saw she said she was new to breeding so I thought I would put my opinion in I don't have to be a breeder to know its hard when you do it right. It did not say ac just heat, it didn't say she did health testing, and it didn't say protected runs either it said fenced in area. I also apologized to her and then later about my assumption of out buildings, all I have ever known was puppy mills and bybs that used them so all threads can teach everyone things even ones her are not the op. I do have to say if anyone read the terrible post she wrote to yorkiemom who was trying to help her before it was deleted I am not sure everyone would be as nice. It was terrible and if that's how lots of breeders on here get responded to like that its no wonder they leave. I was just shocked when I read it.

Again you re-iterate you did not read her post - she was asking for information on puppy loss. And yes she said she was new to breeding - only having had 5 litters..... Health testing she did say in post 3 or so.
The point is and remains you did not answer any of her questions in her original posting - for how could you? You don't have the knowledge.

My point is. If you don't know the answer to the question asked - why answer?

What she responded to YorkieMom1 I don't know. But I do know she was upset and grieving her loss - and in that situation sometimes we re-act in a way we wouldn't in a calm situation.

Im sorry for the loss of the pups. Ive been through this before with a kitten litter. I did everything I could but I couldnt save them. I believe when you cant save them there is most likely something health wise going on with them. I hope you dont blame yourself it sounds like you did everything you could do. I wouldnt give up on breeding just yet right now while you are understanable emotional.

Well people tend to respond on all threads on this board weather they have answered the ops question or not. Yorkiemom is also dealing with the loss of two yorkies older yorkies that she has bonded with for years yet she still never called any one names of cussed at them.

Yet again and for the last time. YOU did not ANSWER the OP's question and why is that? The fact that others do it is no justification at all!

I apologized and that is all I can do. Certain things were not said until after my post nothing I can do now.

I am just saying it happens and life goes on

No that is not all you can do. YOu can learn from this. And learn to read and then read again before you post!

Of course but like I said something's where not posted until after my post.

Breeders do many things that are not discussed with people outside of breeding, simply because if you do not breed, you have no way of knowing all the specifics and the mechanisms of how this all works. I would imagine it is safe to say the majority of breeders have a "kennel building" where their dogs may stay at night, or if the breeder is not home...you can not possibly have 7-15 dogs, both males and females, running loose, mixing it up, in your house, 24/7. That is unrealistic and actually a safety hazard. You not only are at risk for horrific fights, you risk unwanted pregnancies, pregnancies by "God only knows who" out of the group of males you have....it is just not practical. You have dogs darting out doors when they open, you have incessant barking, and you can not clean house with such goings on! Most people think only puppy mills have dogs contained in "out buildings"....but I can guarantee you, the money spent on some of these kennels, rival guest houses! Your reputable breeders do not have dogs enclosed in tiny, wire rabbit style hutches, with wire floors, and their dogs are not kept in the large crates the breeders use, for hours a day...usually they go to crates when you need to do housework, or if there are workmen inside the house, or at night. There are hours set aside for play, quiet interaction/socialization with family, activity areas for running off steam, etc. Dogs are gathered and crated during storms, so if necessary, you can grab them up and get out. You also keep your males separated from the females unless you are watching closely....you do not have those "ooops" encounters that result in breedings between dogs you had not planned on breeding. AuntieLauries out building kennel was actually fantastic! I can tell you it was NOT cheap, and it was well designed.... I wish I had the money to have one of those kennels built that are completely washable with water jets positioned all over the building, where all surfaces are misted with any solution you want to use....they are fantastic little buildings, with great living quarters for your dogs, grooming area, area for any medical care, giving injections, dressing changes, giving meds, storage areas, of course running water, a/c and heater, with adjoining attached runs with flooring, and of course, video and audio monitoring of the entire building and crate and run areas, etc....but they are $40,000.00- $80,000.00.....CLEARLY nothing puppy mills would ever think of investing in! People that do not breed just have no way to know the logistics of safely and hygienically being able to maintain a breeding business. So you should keep a clear, open mind about breeders and how they operate. You would be surprised how much "conventional wisdom" people have encased what they consider "a reputable breeder" and "acceptable breeding practices" in, is actually not quite the whole picture.

Just because someone has a kennel doesnt mean they are unreputable breeder but some that do have them have way more dogs than could get individual attention and socialization. I would be very cautious of buying from a breeder with a kennel but if I havent personally seen it than I dont know

IMHO: The kennel issue should not have even been brought up in this thread, as it had nothing to do with a grieving breeder asking other BREEDERS for help in dealing with losing puppies.

I also feel that when Admin deletes a post, it is not appropriate to further discuss that post just because you saw it before it was deleted. If that is not in the YT rules, it should be! It only serves to further stir up negative stuff, and point fingers.

It keeps being brought up here thatt only breeders should post here and I think that is really unfair. No where in the rules does it say only breeders can respond to breeder threads. Also there are other sections like training that other people respond to that arent trainers.

Loosing puppies
 

Thank you for that Yorkie Lady.
To those that seem to think people with a kennel are breeding tons of dogs, you could be right. That's why you visit the breeder and see her set up. I don't even have my dogs sleep in my kennel..it's for there safety when we are out for a few hours. It is indoor and out door with a very nice covering to keep them dry.Go look at my yorkies and kennel it's on facebook YORKIES IN THE MEADOWS. I have lots of pictures...not lots of dogs. We have had 5 breedings in the last 4 years. I know there are a ton of bad breeders out there. I have met a few...you know that's one reason I wanted to breed, to be a respectable breeder with healthy nice puppies.I don't make money, how could anyone who breeds and does it right? It is very costly.I use to own a daycare and took classes in early childhood education and extra classes every year for twenty years. The money I made I put back into my daycare. It was wonderful, better than most daycare centers by far. That's what I'm doing with my breeding business. Trying to make it the best I can.
You can't judge anyone if you don't have the facts. I'm not even close to being anything but a small time breeder who dearly loves yorkies. I just happen to want the best for them so we had a kennel built. Anymore questions??? BTW I have seen many breeders who stack cadge upon cadge of yorkies and the ones that won't even let you in there house, the ones that have to meet you somewhere for whatever reason. So tell me what kind of breeder would you buy a yorkie from??

that is why it is often best to not jump in to soon with an opinion, or judgement, especially when it is an area that one has little or no experience in. This is the breeders section so myself and many others that don't breed tend to read more and hardly post in here at all. New members come in here hoping to get answers not be judged. Just like in the sick and injured section I don't post much more than support there because I don't have much experience in that area.

I am fearful there may be a push to develop "rules" that forbid anyone but a breeder from answering anything about breeding, trainers only addressing any training issues, nutrition and dog food questions being responded to only by nutitionists....and it can go on and on....we can all learn from all posts....I can understand the desire to somehow let people asking questions that concern issues best responded to by breeders, be advised by breeders.....I just would hate to see the forum get all segregated and divided into specific areas where only people that fit into that particular category, are allowed to respond.

My breeder was like that. She didnt have a kennel but she had cages and cages of dogs too many dogs. Luckily neither one of mine has had any health problems or anything but I certainly wouldnt buy from a breeder like that again. Sometimes on here when one heres kennel they assume it is like a puppymill kennel because thats what we hear about alot on here but I know there are reputable breeders that have kennels and runs too so I think you have to know what kind of kennel it is and how many dogs before you assume to know

I also agree that everybody should be permitted to post in every section on this forum. No segregation is needed. We are all here because we love Yorkies, and want to learn and share about them.

However, it would be nice if people would not speak as if they are an expert when they offer an opinion not based on facts and experience.

I didnt see her say she was an expert. She gave an opinion this is a forum full of opinions. People give opinions all the time in the sick and injured and they arent vets or vet techs just pet owners. Same in the training section regular people posting opinions not trainers

Opinions are one thing we all have them, just like eyes n ears. I did not personally say no one but breeders should respond to a post. I did say if you do not know the answer to the specific question asked, well
let others respond who do. and don't respond off topic and with judgement throughout.

Thank you I am always willing to learn. After thinking about how much stuff Callie has I could not imagine all the stuff breeders have to have.