New here - help please..
 

Hi. I'm new here and registered specifically to see if I could get some help from some experts on a Sunday....

I am the proud owner of a Biewer Yorkie and recently decided to get her a playmate. We found another gorgeous girl and fell in love! She is a year old and an absolute love bug! Prior to adopting her, the breeder told us that she had bred her (I was a bit aghast at this as she is only 12 months old), but they had taken her to the vet for a sonogram and it didn't take. So, we adopted her and brought her home 2-3 weeks ago. This morning, I was playing with her and watching her run around the living room and I thought she sure looked 'full'. Like she had gained weight over night! I checked her under belly to make sure all was well and here she has a 'pot gut' and her glands are very swollen. :eek: This is a bit of background leading up to my question....

I went through her paperwork again and correspondence with the breeder and she would have had the sonogram done at approx. 15-17 days after she was bred. If the breeding would have taken she would be due in another 20 days I believe. Is it possible that the sonogram was wrong? Was that too early to tell? Or could this be a false pregnancy and if so, what should I look for?

I took the breeders at their word so didn't have her checked for pregnancy with my vet, but am going to do that now (asap) to be sure, but just wanted to seek out some advice or anything here that could give me peace of mind. I'm kind of scared. :confused: Thanks for any advice, info. etc.

Oh my goodness! 4-5 for the price of 1 !!! Gestation is counted 63 days from the first tie. Sonagram at 15-17 days seems way early to me....you have to have someone that is REALLY good at reading what they see, that early in the game....if anything can even be seen then! I dont usually get my xrays/ultrasound until day 58.What did your breeder say???!!!

I contacted the breeder and they want more money for her now. :confused:
We'll be seeing the vet in a couple of days.
Does anyone know when a 'false pregnancy' begins? What symptoms are of that?

Thanks!!!

First off all how in the world can she expect to get more money out of you now that you are in possession of the pup. Hopefully you have a bill of sale/contract so she cant come after you for more.
Second, she bred a year old pup??? :confused::confused: WHY?
Sounds like a byb to me.

Ok now for your false pregnancy symptoms...I'm at a loss on this one hun.
Someone on here with more experience will be able to help you with this.
I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this....I would be terrified as well.

Can you tell me WHEN she was bred...I am sorry, but for some reason my mind is not computing at ALL today! If you have a bill of sale on that dog, with a receipt, the breeder is "past owner"...she sold you a puppy that was for all intents and purposes, not pregnant....It is going to be a WONDERFUL thing if you also have the sonogram report SHE had done that states it is negative. Case Closed! PROBLEM: She isnt going to tell you who the sire is, so you wont be able to register the litter with AKC. (You need the name of the sire so you can contact them! THAT is who you are going to owe money or a pup to! Try to figure out HOW you are going to get the name of the sire from this lady....I guess you could tell her you will contact the AKC because she bred thedog and now wont divulge the name of the sire so you can register the litter...) Now how many days has it been since that baby was bred....you need to get an xray to determine if she is pregnant...ultrasounds are difficult to read if the person trying to read them is not proficient at it....

Yeah, she wants more money if she has puppies.
I do have a bill of sale/contract.
This breeder also breeds some pretty fantastic lines in another breed and because of this I was shocked at the breeding taking place at a year old.

Thanks for your help!

If this is a registered Biewer, AKC won't register the pups regardless. I don't know about the Biewer registries and how they would handle this situation.

OP....hopefully your girl isn't pregnant and this is just a false pregnancy.

She was bred the first week of June.
I have a contract with her, but I do not have the original sonogram.
I know who the sire is and the registry is through a German Registry. That breeder does want a puppy, if she is bred.
I think she was bred on June 9th and the sonogram was done on June 26th. Do you think that was too early? How soon can she have an x-ray done?

The original test was done too early. Ultrasound is usually done at day 30.
X rays are usually done around day 56.

Since she seems "thicker" ...this is unlikely a false pregnancy. Teats enlarge and the vulva remains swollen, but there is no significant weight gain.

Thanks for all of your help. I'm planning to have an x-ray done on her when she would be at 56 days. Her teats are bigger and her vulva is much bigger than it was when she came to me. Soooooooooo, we'll see I guess.
Thanks again to everyone who added help and advise! I appreciate it so much!!

I think you need to prepare your self for the possibility that she is pregnant and read and learn as much as you possibly can about whelping and maybe try to find a different breeder that would be willing to help you. I also think you need to make sure you know the signs of an emergency and when to get her to the vet as well as have money or a way to pay for a c-section or any other problems set aside to be ready for it. Please do not give the breeder you got your dog from a puppy she is not a good breeder or she would not have breed your girl so young and would know at what point to be able to tell if a dog was pregnant or not. If you end up giving her a puppy and a girl puppy at that she will probably end up breeding her to young as well.

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I think YOUR battle is done!! You know who the sire is, those are the people you are dealing with now! Since your baby was bred successfully, you dont want to "steal" those babies from the sire....I am sure you have no intention of doing that! Besides, you need them in order to get that litter registered....of course AKC is not the registry!.....I own all my own breeding stock, so this is not something I have ever dealt with....and the few times I have used another breeders stud, it is with people I know very well and we have an understanding of whether a pup or a fee is paid before the breeding takes place!..... Perhaps a breeder that is knowledgable about which avenue would be best for you, will offer their professional opinion/advice on this. I would GUESS that since YOU are not a breeder or do not show, if this sire is a reputable, winning show dog, or a stud that is in demand, I am thinking you would do best to let them have pick of the litter, (since they will know best what to do with the puppy regarding showing, using in their own breeding program, etc) and you wont have to come up with a stud fee that may be quite high! I am thinking they knew the female they allowed their stud to breed with, was going to produce puppies that would be a desirable litter, so I am thinking they will want a puppy. Congratulations!

I respectfully disagree. How exactly could it be considered stealing? The OP did not enter into any agreement regarding the stud. That was done by the previous owner.

I don't believe she's contractually obligated to either party.

Oh well....
 

I guess it depends on wheter not she wants to register the puppies, if not then she doesn't owe anyone anything but if she does want to register the puppies she will have to deal with the stud owners. Good luck either way.

I am sorry...I should have said, in MY mind....I KNOW IN MY HEART AND MIND, that female did not get pregnant by immaculate conception, and I think the ETHICAL thing to do, would be to compensate the person responsible for impregnating the dog. I understand ethical and legal are certainly not synomynous. I have to look in the mirror everyday, so I try to avoid situations where my integrity and ethics are compromised. To NOT acknowledge the stud and compensate THAT breeder for the litter, TO ME, is akin to stealing....."to take and carry away wrongfully with intent to keep" and then profit from, by selling, the "goods". If no one else sees this as wrong, just write me off as a loony old lady!!!

Does the bill of sale; denote "as is" or words to that effect. No provision for "if she does prove to be pregnant"?

If that contract also has full breeding rights, as was NOT sold on a spay and neuter contract: THEN:

1) You owe the seller nothing

2) You should DNA the litter. Request the DNA from the stud she was alledgedy bred to. And if the DNA proves the puppies are from that stud. Then morally/ethically you do "owe" something to the stud owners. Unless of course the stud owners already had received payment from the breeding with the original bitch owner.

Now you have a right to be worried. Have you ever whelped a litter before? Do you have a great vet? A mentor?

Should she prove to be pregnant, can you confidently go ahead with trying to whelp and raise a litter on your own?

Actually in this situation I hope it is a false pregnancy.

Thanks everyone for your advice and help!

I noticed yesterday that she was digging in her bed area (nesting possibly?), but I concluded that she was just trying to get comfy. She ate well and was fine all day. Now this morning she is burying her food with her 'blanket', breathing heavy (could be uncomfortable/warm) and is 'gooping' a bit. I took her temp and it is 100.4. I went back through paperwork and info. from breeder again and I figured things wrong. I was guessing on what date she may have bred, but I found something in an email that I had missed before. She bred on June 4th for sure (I don't know how many times she bred or which other days she may have been bred on). So, that would put her at (possibly) day 55 today!!!! How dangerous is it if she were to deliver in the next couple of days? She is 'gooping', won't eat and is breathing heavily. However, her temp isn't real low. Have you ever had puppies born on day 55 and live? Thanks!!

It is quite a challenge to keep babies born too much over a week premature, alive. Have you had her xrays yet so you know what you are expecting? Be sure you verify on xray, tyhat the babies heads will pass through the pelvic ring without difficulty. Also, just FYI....I have a female whose appetite does not falter one bit, and her temp does not drop 1/10 of a degree, even up to the moment she delivers! Be prepared to hand feed premature babies!

Sorry, this is truly a sad situation. I dont know what I would do in your place OP.
Just a question...is there a way to spay the pup even if pregnancy were suspected? I'm not suggesting you do this I'm just curious.
Personally for me I would probably have gone this route if it were possible.
I'm really hoping mom and pups turn out healthy.
I have to say when I first got Raelle, I fell in love with the breed an considered breeding. Thankfully I found this forum. After reading many posts on here, I was cured of my breeding obsession. Both my babies are spayed as will the new little one due to come home in September.
Thankfully there are many experienced members on here willing to share their time and expertise to those of us that need help....For that simple fact..thank you YT.

What is gooping?

Thank you, was gonna ask the same thing.

'gooping' = 'discharge'.

Some asked if I had the x-ray done yet. I was planning to do that on what I thought would be day 55, but since that is actually today, I am planning to take her in tomorrow. She is pregnant as I can feel the puppies kicking now (just this morning).

I am getting everything together so I'm prepared when it's time.
Please pray for her and babies as she is only one year old.

You and your gal have my prayers, and all the positive thoughts and well wishes.

Send your hubby out for shopping or a good friend. You are on puppy watch. I think you don't know exactly the date of first mating. In these circumstances I'd tried to be prepared at any moment.

Do you have your list of whelping supplies needed?

Let us know if there is something we can do to help.

Thank you so much!
I think I have my list of supplies ready.
I do have one question though. How do you all weigh your puppies?
I have a kitchen scale with a measuring bowl, where you can measure ounces that are in the bowl, but that is not very accurate. What should I use?

I have a huge scale; cause I breed big dogs. It has a flat surface. You would want a scale with a flat surface. As long as the scales is consistently inaccurate it shouldn't be a problem.. That is it always measures 2ounces high or low. The key is to weigh, well I do it daily and record the results per pup; then I can see if they are gaining daily.

Honestly I feel for you. I would be scared to death. I don't know how to care for a litter of puppies. I wouldn't enjoy the job of parting with them either. And I would be so worried about my pet going through childbirth (ok puppy birth lol) at such a young age (well at any age really). The whole thing would stress me out totally. I would be quite upset as I hadn't chosen this huge responsibility, but i would be unable to back out of it as I wouldn't want to return a dog after even a day in my life. If anything, I think this breeder should be paying you compensation.. but I know that's not going to happen. I do hope the whole experience is a good one for you if it turns out to be a real pregnancy. Hugs x x

I hope all is well

I was just thinking the same thing...any updates?

What a BAD BREEDER!

Any reputable breeder would want the dog back to whelp and ensure all are in capable hands...more money what the cream cheese!!!

YOU have all the expenses now!

Find a vet who is willing to whelp the pups for you and remember Yorkies often need csections.

For what its worth I'd tell the breeder," have a nice life goodbye!"

If you paid for for this dog it is YOURS. I would NEVER let this loser of a breeder have this poor baby back. :mad:

Louise