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msubbert · 04-20-2012, 08:51 PM

So I rescued a male Yorkie in Jan from being put down and a female from a lady who couldn't care for her any more. I was told the female had just finished her cycle so I would not have to worry about breeding. That night the two of them got stuck together. I took her to the vet and the vet said to count on having puppies. Well when the time came he said is was a false pregnancy and to give her six weeks to recover. Then have her fixed to avoid future potential issues such as uterine infections.

Three weeks went by and she started spotting for about three days and now my male yorkie has hooked with her three days in a row.

What am I suppose to think! I thought they only went into heat ever six months. Does that mean maybe she was never in heat at all the first time and that maybe there was never really a false pregnancy, but maybe she has the potential to be pregnant now? Is it possible to have a false pregnancy followed up by a cycle shortly afterwards?

If she has one litter I wouldn't be disappointed because my mother in law wants one and so does my sister. I do not however have any intention of putting her at jeopardy or becoming a breeder. My vet is out until Monday at this point. Just wondering what those with more experience think?

HELP!!!

Yorkiemom1 · 04-20-2012, 09:05 PM

If you are concerned about any of the multitude of things "real breeders" are concerned with, and you difinately should be in this case, you can take her into the vet and have her fixed next week. You are having problems keeping two intact rescues from breeding, so I would highly recommend you have the female spayed next week before the puppies have started to develop, and then have the male neutered soon afterwards, so he doesnt get some "neighborhood girl" pregnant. Indiscriminate breeding of Yorkies is not what we strive for.

capt_noonie · 04-20-2012, 09:14 PM

If it were me, I would def get the girl spayed. Esp since they are rescues, you don't know the history behind them. They could each have some underlying disease or an unwanted ressessive gene that could come up in the litter. The truth is you really don't know, bc these dogs are rescues. It's a crap shoot. Are you willing to take the risk? The puppies can die, the mommy can die.

msubbert · 04-20-2012, 09:18 PM

Based on what the vet said about potential uterine infection from false pregnancies I was planning to have her fixed. He said to wait six weeks and this is what just happened during that time frame.

I struggle with two moral issues here, first could she really be pregnant now under these circumstances. If she can be pregnant to me a life is a life.

First off could she really be pregnant? The timing just is way off according to everything I have read. Is there a easy fool proof way to know for sure if she is pregnant verses something that wouldn't lead to another false pregnancy. I don't want to put her in jeopardy. She had lodged herself into my heart from the day I rescued her.

My first main question is: "is it possible for her to even be in heat and get pregnant right now?".....

msubbert · 04-20-2012, 09:23 PM

Honestly wasn't thinking about the recessive gene piece of the equation. That puts a whole additional spin on the thoughts.

I still struggle with the pro life issue even though I am into animal control. Not sure if that makes sense.

I have 2 other dogs, both fixed and rescues as well. That was my intention with these two as well. Fate seems to keep taking it out of my hands.

chachi · 04-20-2012, 10:27 PM

How could she have tied with this dog 3 times if it werent planned? I would get her spayed

Marilize · 04-21-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by msubbert

Honestly wasn't thinking about the recessive gene piece of the equation. That puts a whole additional spin on the thoughts.

I still struggle with the pro life issue even though I am into animal control. Not sure if that makes sense.

I have 2 other dogs, both fixed and rescues as well. That was my intention with these two as well. Fate seems to keep taking it out of my hands.

I think you need to stick to your principles and get her spayed asap. If you are into animal control, you can't make an exception just because family and friends want a puppy. How often do dogs end up rescues because of exactly that reason? You can't be into animal control and make the same mistakes that you are against and you can't have one set of rules for yourself and another for the rest of the world. There's a word for that...

Get her spayed, get the male neutered and give these rescues what they've been deprived off for their whole lives. Responsible pet ownership.

roseslevi · 04-21-2012, 04:23 AM

I would not breed a line that I know nothing about. They are rescues, no background on the parents, no DNA testing done. I simply would not take a chance on having puppies that may have long term problems down the line. This is how the breed gets in trouble, when people breed dogs with no knowledge of possible outcomes. If you are rescuing, isn't it your duty to have these dogs fixed? Isn't this an exact situation on how dogs become rescues? I find this a tad hypocritical.

MikaTallulah · 04-21-2012, 04:46 AM

Get him neutered ASAP. The day I took Buddy my rescue for his first visit I asked when can I neuter him. I did not know his genetic background so I did not what to have to worry about unintended pregnancies. You are playing with fire leaving him unneutered if you are not planning to breed and advocate for spay/neuter.

I would prepare myself as though she was pregnant but hope she wasn't.

How big are they? Same size or different? Momma is hopefully at least 5 pounds and bigger than daddy. If she is tiny than she is more likely to have complications and my not be able to safely carry a litter. It may be healthiest for her spay her even if she is pregnant.

Yorkiemom1 · 04-21-2012, 05:01 AM

"......If she has one litter I wouldn't be disappointed because my mother in law wants one and so does my sister. I do not however have any intention of putting her at jeopardy or becoming a breeder. My vet is out until Monday at this point. Just wondering what those with more experience think?....."
Both of these dogs need to be "fixed" ASAP!! As stated, you have NO idea what is going on with these dogs genetically. If there is an incompatability genetically between these two dogs, you are allowing little innocent puppies to be produced that already have two strikes against them. I appreciate your moral argument of "a life is a life", however, what about the mommas life? SHE counts for something, and she is already HERE!!!! Please dont allow your conscience to justify in your mind, what ACTUALITY is nothing more than exactly what motivates puppy mills to exist. If she is pregnant, and if she survives the whelp, you could very well have babies that are going to require a large amount of money to combat the diseases or genetic conditions YOU have allowed to come into fruition. If these babies are born with genetic disabilities, are you and your relatives financially enthusiastically able and willing to spend thousands of dollars to save that baby's life? IS IT MORALLY ACCEPTABLE TO PRODUCE GENETICALLY QUESTIONABLE BABIES, RELEGATING THEM TO A SHORT, MISERABLE, UNHEALTHY LIFE....puppies that NO ONE WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING financially to care for their own families!? If your family members want Yorkie puppies, they need to find a breeder that has KNOWN GENETICALLY healthy breeding stock. ONE MAJOR THING THAT SEPARATES THE PUPPY MILLS FROM THE RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS IS RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS WILL STAND BY ANY BABY THEY HAVE PRODUCED, BOTH FINANCIALLY AS WELL AS EMOTIONALLY. They dont ALLOW dogs, that are sexually active out of nothing more than instinct, to produce possibly sick or deformed babies. ALLOWING that behavior is irresponsible on YOUR part. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY BABIES YOU ALLOW TO BE PRODUCED FROM THAT BREEDING. YOU ALONE ARE ALSO ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY ILLNESS OR EVEN THE DEMISE OF THE MOTHER, DURING OR AS A RESULT OF WHELPING THIS LITTER. Those precious little babies did not ask to be brought into this world....YOU allowed it to happen, and if you have allowed deformed babies to be produced, or liver shunts or heart conditions, or hydrocephalus, or cleft palates or blindness or bad hips and knees or any other genetic issues that are brewing in those babies, you are responsible to "make them whole" medically....and when they look up at you, as they die from a condition YOU are responsible for creating, begging you to help them with those precious little eyes, you will TRULY know a breeders heartache....and if you feel little remorse, you ARE a puppy mill breeder.

jencar98 · 04-21-2012, 05:31 AM

This may not be the case but if she has come into heat earlier then she should be, she could have the uterine infection your vet mentioned...it's pyometra, and is life-threatening.

Don't risk her life with uterine infections and unnecessary heats or "unplanned" pregnancies.....have her spayed ASAP.

MikaTallulah · 04-21-2012, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

How could she have tied with this dog 3 times if it werent planned? I would get her spayed

msubbert · 04-21-2012, 06:33 AM

I realize that I am asking advice from a group of individuals that are very passionate about their yorkies. I would just like to clarify my purpose of coming here is because of my concern for mine because I can't get with my vet until Monday. I was looking to hopefully understand what is happening with my baby and become more informed before I go to the vet.

When I first got her I was told she had just finished her cycle so there shouldn't have been any risk. Well, that was a mislead notion. However, the male I rescued had just had major surgery and had stitches practically all the way around his abdomen. It was not the time to get him fixed the vet wasn't sure he was going to make it yet. I let the two of them outside and returned a minute later to find them stuck together. Stitches, cone and all. We had only had her for a few hours. I immediately took her to the vet the next day. The vet said she would be ok, but never warned about genetic issues. I have done some reading since and have really been slammed on here.

As for them getting hooked up this time, I was at work and my 7 year old daughter found them that way. She shoudn't be in heat from everything I have read. I am now up to four times because I let them out this morning while I made a bowl of cereal. Found them linked again. Ugh! This is so not intentional.

I KNOW CONSENSUS IS GET THEM FIXED!

I just want to understand how this can be happening and if she will be ok until Monday when my vet is back in?

msubbert · 04-21-2012, 06:45 AM

Thanks for your kind response. Not everyone else has been. Do you think it is possible that she really is in heat? I am just worried and I can't go to the vet until Monday.

jencar98 · 04-21-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by msubbert

I just want to understand how this can be happening and if she will be ok until Monday when my vet is back in?

If it's pyometra you're taking a big risk waiting until your vet is back in town. Is there not another vet you could see today, most are open Saturdays.

04-20-2012, 08:51 PM	#1
msubbert YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kyle, TX, USA Posts: 8	New to Yorkies and Breeding (HELP!!!) So I rescued a male Yorkie in Jan from being put down and a female from a lady who couldn't care for her any more. I was told the female had just finished her cycle so I would not have to worry about breeding. That night the two of them got stuck together. I took her to the vet and the vet said to count on having puppies. Well when the time came he said is was a false pregnancy and to give her six weeks to recover. Then have her fixed to avoid future potential issues such as uterine infections. Three weeks went by and she started spotting for about three days and now my male yorkie has hooked with her three days in a row. What am I suppose to think! I thought they only went into heat ever six months. Does that mean maybe she was never in heat at all the first time and that maybe there was never really a false pregnancy, but maybe she has the potential to be pregnant now? Is it possible to have a false pregnancy followed up by a cycle shortly afterwards? If she has one litter I wouldn't be disappointed because my mother in law wants one and so does my sister. I do not however have any intention of putting her at jeopardy or becoming a breeder. My vet is out until Monday at this point. Just wondering what those with more experience think? HELP!!!

04-20-2012, 09:14 PM	#3
capt_noonie www.yorkierescue.com Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas & Orange County Posts: 17,408	If it were me, I would def get the girl spayed. Esp since they are rescues, you don't know the history behind them. They could each have some underlying disease or an unwanted ressessive gene that could come up in the litter. The truth is you really don't know, bc these dogs are rescues. It's a crap shoot. Are you willing to take the risk? The puppies can die, the mommy can die. __________________ The T.U.B. Pack! Toto, Uni, & Bindi RIP Lord Scrappington Montgomery McLimpybottom aka El Lenguo the Handicapped Ninja 10-12-12

04-20-2012, 10:27 PM	#6
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	How could she have tied with this dog 3 times if it werent planned? I would get her spayed __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

04-21-2012, 04:23 AM	#8
roseslevi Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: E. Falmouth, Mass Posts: 2,102	I would not breed a line that I know nothing about. They are rescues, no background on the parents, no DNA testing done. I simply would not take a chance on having puppies that may have long term problems down the line. This is how the breed gets in trouble, when people breed dogs with no knowledge of possible outcomes. If you are rescuing, isn't it your duty to have these dogs fixed? Isn't this an exact situation on how dogs become rescues? I find this a tad hypocritical. __________________ Rosemarie, Levi and Lily "The purity of a person's heart can be quickly measured by how they regard animals" ~ Anonymous

04-21-2012, 04:46 AM	#9
MikaTallulah YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 1,812	Get him neutered ASAP. The day I took Buddy my rescue for his first visit I asked when can I neuter him. I did not know his genetic background so I did not what to have to worry about unintended pregnancies. You are playing with fire leaving him unneutered if you are not planning to breed and advocate for spay/neuter. I would prepare myself as though she was pregnant but hope she wasn't. How big are they? Same size or different? Momma is hopefully at least 5 pounds and bigger than daddy. If she is tiny than she is more likely to have complications and my not be able to safely carry a litter. It may be healthiest for her spay her even if she is pregnant. __________________ Beware of Nestle Purina Cozy (4/06), Roxy & Zoey (2/08), Lucy (4/09); Buddy 4/09- Rescued 12/11); Mika ('98) & Tallulah ('00) RIP Harley 4/2009; Lucky 11/2010; Zoey 4/2012

04-20-2012, 09:05 PM	#2
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	If you are concerned about any of the multitude of things "real breeders" are concerned with, and you difinately should be in this case, you can take her into the vet and have her fixed next week. You are having problems keeping two intact rescues from breeding, so I would highly recommend you have the female spayed next week before the puppies have started to develop, and then have the male neutered soon afterwards, so he doesnt get some "neighborhood girl" pregnant. Indiscriminate breeding of Yorkies is not what we strive for.

04-20-2012, 09:18 PM	#4
msubbert YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kyle, TX, USA Posts: 8	Based on what the vet said about potential uterine infection from false pregnancies I was planning to have her fixed. He said to wait six weeks and this is what just happened during that time frame. I struggle with two moral issues here, first could she really be pregnant now under these circumstances. If she can be pregnant to me a life is a life. First off could she really be pregnant? The timing just is way off according to everything I have read. Is there a easy fool proof way to know for sure if she is pregnant verses something that wouldn't lead to another false pregnancy. I don't want to put her in jeopardy. She had lodged herself into my heart from the day I rescued her. My first main question is: "is it possible for her to even be in heat and get pregnant right now?".....

04-20-2012, 09:23 PM	#5
msubbert YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kyle, TX, USA Posts: 8	Honestly wasn't thinking about the recessive gene piece of the equation. That puts a whole additional spin on the thoughts. I still struggle with the pro life issue even though I am into animal control. Not sure if that makes sense. I have 2 other dogs, both fixed and rescues as well. That was my intention with these two as well. Fate seems to keep taking it out of my hands.

04-21-2012, 05:01 AM	#10
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	"......If she has one litter I wouldn't be disappointed because my mother in law wants one and so does my sister. I do not however have any intention of putting her at jeopardy or becoming a breeder. My vet is out until Monday at this point. Just wondering what those with more experience think?....." Both of these dogs need to be "fixed" ASAP!! As stated, you have NO idea what is going on with these dogs genetically. If there is an incompatability genetically between these two dogs, you are allowing little innocent puppies to be produced that already have two strikes against them. I appreciate your moral argument of "a life is a life", however, what about the mommas life? SHE counts for something, and she is already HERE!!!! Please dont allow your conscience to justify in your mind, what ACTUALITY is nothing more than exactly what motivates puppy mills to exist. If she is pregnant, and if she survives the whelp, you could very well have babies that are going to require a large amount of money to combat the diseases or genetic conditions YOU have allowed to come into fruition. If these babies are born with genetic disabilities, are you and your relatives financially enthusiastically able and willing to spend thousands of dollars to save that baby's life? IS IT MORALLY ACCEPTABLE TO PRODUCE GENETICALLY QUESTIONABLE BABIES, RELEGATING THEM TO A SHORT, MISERABLE, UNHEALTHY LIFE....puppies that NO ONE WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING financially to care for their own families!? If your family members want Yorkie puppies, they need to find a breeder that has KNOWN GENETICALLY healthy breeding stock. ONE MAJOR THING THAT SEPARATES THE PUPPY MILLS FROM THE RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS IS RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS WILL STAND BY ANY BABY THEY HAVE PRODUCED, BOTH FINANCIALLY AS WELL AS EMOTIONALLY. They dont ALLOW dogs, that are sexually active out of nothing more than instinct, to produce possibly sick or deformed babies. ALLOWING that behavior is irresponsible on YOUR part. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY BABIES YOU ALLOW TO BE PRODUCED FROM THAT BREEDING. YOU ALONE ARE ALSO ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY ILLNESS OR EVEN THE DEMISE OF THE MOTHER, DURING OR AS A RESULT OF WHELPING THIS LITTER. Those precious little babies did not ask to be brought into this world....YOU allowed it to happen, and if you have allowed deformed babies to be produced, or liver shunts or heart conditions, or hydrocephalus, or cleft palates or blindness or bad hips and knees or any other genetic issues that are brewing in those babies, you are responsible to "make them whole" medically....and when they look up at you, as they die from a condition YOU are responsible for creating, begging you to help them with those precious little eyes, you will TRULY know a breeders heartache....and if you feel little remorse, you ARE a puppy mill breeder.

04-21-2012, 05:31 AM	#11
jencar98 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,435 Blog Entries: 3	This may not be the case but if she has come into heat earlier then she should be, she could have the uterine infection your vet mentioned...it's pyometra, and is life-threatening. Don't risk her life with uterine infections and unnecessary heats or "unplanned" pregnancies.....have her spayed ASAP. __________________ ~Ruby, Reno, Razz, & Jack~

04-21-2012, 06:33 AM	#13
msubbert YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kyle, TX, USA Posts: 8	I realize that I am asking advice from a group of individuals that are very passionate about their yorkies. I would just like to clarify my purpose of coming here is because of my concern for mine because I can't get with my vet until Monday. I was looking to hopefully understand what is happening with my baby and become more informed before I go to the vet. When I first got her I was told she had just finished her cycle so there shouldn't have been any risk. Well, that was a mislead notion. However, the male I rescued had just had major surgery and had stitches practically all the way around his abdomen. It was not the time to get him fixed the vet wasn't sure he was going to make it yet. I let the two of them outside and returned a minute later to find them stuck together. Stitches, cone and all. We had only had her for a few hours. I immediately took her to the vet the next day. The vet said she would be ok, but never warned about genetic issues. I have done some reading since and have really been slammed on here. As for them getting hooked up this time, I was at work and my 7 year old daughter found them that way. She shoudn't be in heat from everything I have read. I am now up to four times because I let them out this morning while I made a bowl of cereal. Found them linked again. Ugh! This is so not intentional. I KNOW CONSENSUS IS GET THEM FIXED! I just want to understand how this can be happening and if she will be ok until Monday when my vet is back in?

04-21-2012, 06:45 AM	#14
msubbert YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kyle, TX, USA Posts: 8	Thanks for your kind response. Not everyone else has been. Do you think it is possible that she really is in heat? I am just worried and I can't go to the vet until Monday.