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04-14-2012, 10:55 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA
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| I want to... (puts on armor)...become a reputable breeder. >: |
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04-14-2012, 11:02 AM | #2 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Start slowly, don't breed your pets, and go to dog shows. Join various clubs, take classes that the AKC gives. Get to know different breeders. Why do you want to breed?
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04-14-2012, 11:36 AM | #3 |
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| Frankly, if I can work for what I love, I would be getting paid for doing what I love. So even without pay, it would still be enjoyment. I've been involved with animals, especially dogs for many many years now. I've always wanted to do this. I am now being kicked of the computer. I will be back. |
04-14-2012, 12:09 PM | #4 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
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04-14-2012, 12:55 PM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | I will also add, look on the AKC website to find out if there are any breeder's lectures/symposiums coming up. Go to anything by Carmen Battaglia. Go to anything by Dr Jean Dodds. Join your local breed club; the best would be a Yorkshire Terrier breed specific club, next a toy dog club, and then finally an all breed club. Get Involved with this club. Take your pet in for obedience training or rally o, or agility. Learn proper structure of all dogs, but particularly the Yorkshire Terrier. Look at this as a long term goal - maybe 10 yrs out. Now all breeders I know, usually have another job in addition to breeding. For eg; my breeder of Razzle is also a dog trainer. Another breeder friend runs a construction business, yet another is a groomer, yet another is and does pet boarding as well as training and breeding. So you get an idea. You tend to make your living with other dog related activities, or alternatively another line of work. I have not run the numbers, because I have no interest in actually trying to make a living from breeding dogs, but if you would truly like to make a "living from this" and do all the right things such as; show, health tests, prebreeding tests, puppy rearing, and lifelong support of your puppy buyers. I will tell you right now, it can't be done if you have even two bitches. And particularly with Yorkies where the average litter size is relatively small. Let us do a for instance; say you are able after time to buy a high quality bitch from top bloodlines. Your purchase price anywhere from $3000---$5000 dependent on a lot of factors Cost to show your girl to one Ch $2000 est 6wkend's + out of town stay for 4wkend Using a pro handler? Add $1200 18 days of showing - you groom for handler Screening Tests Add $1000 - includes CERF - OFA hips/elbows -Thyroid tests, Patella certification Pre Breeding tests $400 Supplies related to showing $300 (incl additional crate, show leads, wrapping papers, top quality grooming products, bows,etc) Totals so far $7200-$9200 All this items do not include regular vet costs, high quality food, and training of yourself and pup for the show ring. Now you want to Breed: Stud fees ~~~ cost of one puppy $1500 Whelping Supplies $ 300 Vet costs ** no extraordinary items** $ 200 Totals $2000 Note if you need a C section addd $2000 often times this is an emergency situation So before you have your first litter you are at prox $10000 Now you won't breed your girl before 2yrs old for a number of very good reasons And you will likely retire your girl at about 5 yrs old maybe 6 yrs old At one heat per yr - your girl will have approx 4 heats to 5 and 6 heats to 6yrs old * note it is usually not done to breed your girl every heat so; very conservatively you will only breed her twice or maybe three times in her lifetime. Let us go with 3 breedings all successfull and each litter yields 4 healthy pups. That is 12 puppies in total; over her lifetime To recoup the cost of showing and purchasing your gal - you would need to charge a) $600 per pup To recoup the breeding costs and vet care for each whelp b) $180 per pup. Life is perfect for you and your dam; and you are able to place all pups in good quality homes at a selling price of $1500 per pup. For each pup you will roughly clear $1500- 780=$ 720 For a total of your gals reproductive lifetime of $$7600 *** that is for 5yrs of your life How-ever as a reputable breeder you offer a health warranty of 5yrs from date of purchase. This health warranty obligates you to cover the cost of the purchase price of the pup for certain conditions. So you must set aside some of that money to cover your risk. How much is the question? Well that is going to take research on your bit. For example given all the known health risks of Yorkies, what percentage of Yorkies fall ill to one of the conditions you cover? What does you line and it's health background also tell you. ONce you know this, then you guesstimate the amount you keep in your "business" account to cover your obligations. At the minimum it will be the cost of at least one puppy..... So take away $1500 from $7600 and that leaves you with === $6100 for 5 yrs of work Now can you live on a $1000 a year. lol lol lol
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04-14-2012, 01:15 PM | #6 | |
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Read and re-read those first 3 sentences over and over and over. No truer words were ever spoken. Do not go into this breeding game, thinking you are going to make a living doing it. You can consider yourself a big success if you can barely break even. Then read the rest of that post carefully, because everything said is brutal facts. This is NOT a retirement plan!!! And SHOWING????? OMG! UNLIMITED CONSTRAINTS ON YOUR TIME, UNLIMITED FINANCIAL RESOURCES, OUTSTANDING SPECIMENS OF THE BREED......these are just the basic requirements!!!! And then there are the crooks........ | |
04-14-2012, 01:25 PM | #7 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| And "gemy" has really conservatively opened your eyes just a tad further! I was running up my totals for you to give you an idea...minus showing expenses....my expenses exceed my intake from an average of 16 puppies a year (4/pups x 4/litters) easily by over $14,000.00...and this was a great year!! NOT EVEN ONE PROBLEM!!! |
04-15-2012, 12:44 PM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA
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| Yay! You guys are breeders? Educate me. ^^ I have the funds to do all this and I'm all for health checkups and such but do I have to show them? |
04-15-2012, 01:44 PM | #9 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Sure you need to show "them". How else do you truly get an independent no biased opinion if your dog is worthy of being bred? Plus the beside the ring mentoring; the give and take between breeders is priceless. Education of a novice is not done here on line. As described above get involved in your dog club; take the courses, train your pups, learn all that you can; face to face.
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04-16-2012, 04:38 PM | #10 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member | I think gemy has under estimated the costs.
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04-16-2012, 04:46 PM | #11 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Oh definitely did - did not include the cost of food, of specialized puppy care and evaluation; and let's face it, there is always an extra trip or two to the vet with puppies. Did not include the cost of puppy packs to send home with the pups. The cost of long distance calls to talk with your puppuy buyers, and then the puppy owners. If they live close by the cost of free grooming and or training. . So much.
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04-16-2012, 06:00 PM | #12 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I've talk to a few really good breeders and some of them really would love to find a person to mentor, but the first thing they are looking for is "heart". I think you must learn to be humble and and the attitude of "Educate me", won't go very far.
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04-19-2012, 08:05 AM | #13 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA
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| I think I have somehow come off wrong. I don't really care about the cost of breeding them. As long as it dosen't make me homeless in the end, which would end my entire functionability and also resulting in my ability to keep them, that would be... I love dogs (actually I also love a lot of different animals) and I especially love Yorkshire Terriers. I want to live, play, feed, watch, breed...everything to do with them. They truly are amazing. Gemy, I use "them" because as I stated in my first post in the General Discussion board that I am constantly changing their names. Every name that I come up with feel like it's not them, so it's still constantly change. As for my asking about the AKC shows, it's becuase I...I don't know how to word this. I had some bad experience with some people and was told about things that I find unpleasant a few years ago when I went to one, that was my first encounter and it was a lasting impression. Yes, but you are right, there would be no way to confirm whether if "they" are worth breeding without showing. I understand that I cannot learn everything that I need to learn to become a reptuable breeder online. By "educate me" I was only trying to to say/state that I truly do not know anything about breeding, and what it takes to become one and I am sure I have a VAST amount of information to learn about it, that I am declaring myself in a position I am just a newbie and am willing to learn. I think I have potrayed myself wrong somehow |
04-19-2012, 09:44 AM | #14 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Not to worry Nabe. I think UKC shows are a great venue to learn and experience being in the show ring, and to meet breeders of your breed but also other breeds. Plus UKC hosts a whole lot of fun things to compete in with your pups. Like dock diving, weight pull, field trials, herding work, etc. I believe they also run some show training workshops for you and your pups. I know more than a few breeders who show in AKC and UKC. AKC can be rather daunting to start out as a newbie showing in. And there are the politics too. As a very large organization they often times make decisions that are "controversial to say the least". With my original post; actually I was trying to educate you, into what you really need to learn and to expose yourself to prior to entering into the risky arena of breeding. Now you really need to know the Yorkshire Terrier Standard inside and out. Call this book learning-rote memorization. Get the illustrated standard and study it. Train your eye to look for things like, low tail set, wideset ears, straight front, overangulations, gait, "balance", and correct type. A great book for helping you to do this is called ; " An eye for a Dog". This is "intellectual" study. Then watch, look, at any and all dogs when they are moving. Do this with a "soft eye", look at the ground they cover, look at front reach and back drive; look at the top line. Now I can go on; and indeed I've done whole day workshops on just gait alone. What I've started to describe in words written, is what a real MENTOR, can help you learn; but you need the basics. The intellectual understanding of gait and structure terminology. I have spent days at shows, once my breed is finished, standing ringside, observing the dogs. I have videotaped many breeds at many shows, and then have sat down with my mentor to go over those videos. Now all of the above is meant to illustrate what and "why" a good mentor is important for you to have. And trust me their are very few grand masters of your breed around. And by that I mean knowledge in so many areas of the Yorkie, and willing and able to take on a student. So likely over your lifetime you will have more than one mentor. I do! And all of this is only one very important aspect of a Yorkie; that is "how good is their structure'? where are their faults. On line here many of us are very comfortable in sharing books and videos, that have increased our understanding of this lovely breed. We can say with knowledge that you do need a mentor, and give some suggestions on how to find one, where to go, and what to look for in a mentor. We can share with you what a mentor may/might look for in a student. I hope this has been helpful for you.
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04-19-2012, 10:38 AM | #15 |
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| wow... a lot of good advice. I thought I wanted to breed. After a few months here I just decided it was not what I wanted..I had to ask myself why did I think I wanted to? Well, I think I was thinking of breeded because I loved the furbuts.. but I realized that breeding was not going to fill that "need" so now I am hoping to foster or work with a local rescue. I know this may not be helpful.. but just wanted to share
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