NEVER never bred a TINY

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

But what is more important, defending someone because you feel they are being attacked or defending a dog that can't speak for themselves? Which is it, Kim? You defend these UNreputable breeders all the time but you attack those (US) that are defending the bitches!

I certainly would defend a dog or any other helpless creature over a person who was abusing them. I do not believe there were any dogs needing defending when Yorkierule was being attacked and called names. I choose to believe that her dogs are well cared for and I will believe that until it is proven otherwise because I have no reason hot to believe her.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies

The last time I checked, this was a Yorkie forum...Not a debate forum...btw I liked abracadabra!

Definitions of forum on the Web:

a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Open discussion implies different points or view and oopinions.

[simonandhallie]

I feel the need to remind EVERYONE that this was a thread started by Kelly to share her experience with all of us. She learned from that experience and is trying to relay awareness! AWARENESS!

This is NOT about vets, other breeders, or attackingl opinions! It is about an experience that took a lot of courage to share with us so that we can all learn from it (NEW members included)!

Please think about that for awhile before jumping on your keyboard!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by simonandhallie

I feel the need to remind EVERYONE that this was a thread started by Kelly to share her experience with all of us. She learned from that experience and is trying to relay awareness! AWARENESS!

This is NOT about vets, other breeders, or attackingl opinions! It is about an experience that took a lot of courage to share with us so that we can all learn from it (NEW members included)!

Please think about that for awhile before jumping on your keyboard!

Thank you Kimberly~ I am backing off this thread................

[red98vett]

KIM - I DID NOT SAY ANY VETS SAY IT"S OK TO BREED TINIES - SO...DO NOT TWIST MY WORDS - The whole breeding conversations with my vet were discussing BODY Style and size - My vet would NEVER encourage a tiny at 4 lbs - HE also said many yorkies at 4-5 lbs are just too FRAIL to breed -

He loved Chanel because she IS NOT TINY and told me he usually didn't encourage breeding when he sees very small yorkies - but in my case he wanted to know if I was interested - You ALWAYS TWIST THINGS to suit yourself !

I can't believe you even said that ...I'm so done here too - but I HAD to clarify that I am against... and always will be against anyone... who puts a very small yorkie thru a pregnancy just so someone can buy a tiny puppy.

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Not one single BREEDER on here who doesn't breed tinies has offered one source for why they feel it is unehtical, cruel, wrong, bad, disreputable and whatever else. The burden to prove it is bad is on those who say it IS, not those who don't know one way or the other.

Villette just offered her own vet as one who said it is okay to breed a tiny as long as it is not smaller than 4 lbs.

The breeders on here won't answer my question back on post #79 so I will try again:
This is to all of the breeders on here who do not show, not just Kimberley: Here is the question I have never had the guts to ask but if you do not show, you breed for pets only and you lose money on every litter then why breed your precious girl?__________________

[red98vett]

oh and Kim - you don't have to respond to me - I'm not answering you anymore-I think many of us have said what we wanted to say (YOU INCLUDED) and personally, I would LOVE to hear from others about this subject -

Why not give members here a chance to get a word in - you stated your points - maybe sit back and let others offer their opinions for a change ?

[Diego]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Not according to show standards but she is "perfect" to me and everything and more than I was looking for. Her breeder has a great reputation and has been breeding her "look" for over thirty years. There is NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT BREEDER and Ava's was not but she cares for her dogs and she is a good breeder. She does not breed teeny tiny yorkies and sold me Ava becuase she was too small to breed.

Why do you ask?

There is NO such thing as SHOW STANDARD and PET STANDARD ,there is only one standard for the Yorkshire Terrier .

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Im a little disappointed in the direction this thread went.
My opening statement "NEVER BREED A TINY" should have really been "THINK HARD BEFORE YOU BREED A TINY" I was really upset when I wrote that thread and I meant to imply awareness not force my opinion on everyone.
With my experience I just wont take the chance again. I think the risk isnt worth it. Simple fact is I have had 11 litters in the last 2 1/2 yrs. I stayed within the standard weight recommended for breeding or above it, breeding 5 lbs or above.
I have never had to experience a C section in all that time until I bred my small girl. That proved to me, c sections are much more likely in a small female. It proved factual right here at home.
I must agree that if you decide to take the risk, make sure your vet uses gas instead of an injections for surgery. The last of the surgery was bad, since I know she would feel alot of pain, Im sure the gas is a much better choice, safer, and better controlled.
My cassie who weighs 7 lbs had 3 girls her last litter, they are all 3 lbs or under still at 5 months, She had such an easy whelping. If you want small yorkies its quite possible to produce them from a larger yorkie who will most likely not require surgery.
Just my humble novice opinion and experience.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

This is to all of the breeders on here who do not show, not just Kimberley: Here is the question I have never had the guts to ask but if you do not show, you breed for pets only and you lose money on every litter then why breed your precious girl?__________________

I never said that I had lost any money, Kim. Did I make a bundle, NO, I did not.