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SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-03-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Exactly...here are some of her other posts...

you don't have runs in your house...they're OUTSIDE! I don't care if there is a building involved. What kind of one on one attention do they get? How often do they get loved on?????

There are well respected breeders here whose dogs live in one room of the house in crates and never go for walks or to the park or for car rides. I think this is horrible that they never get to go outside. This breeder sound like she understands the needs of the dog to see sunlight occasionally and have some exercise. What is wrong with that?

cheryl000 · 12-03-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Exactly...here are some of her other posts...

you don't have runs in your house...they're OUTSIDE! I don't care if there is a building involved. What kind of one on one attention do they get? How often do they get loved on?????

You READ my mind. Yorkies belong UNDERFOOT and INSIDE your house. Those puppies will not be very well adjusted nor will the dogs be pottytrained.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-03-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

I need some of the pixie dust too. Perhaps Kim is living in Peter Pan world!

....it is not okay to be rude. Civil and respectful debate is all I will participate in.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-03-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Carters Mom

My older sister and mom are going to Disney World next week. I'll see if they can get some pixie dust from Tink when they see her.

If she is all out, I'll see if I can get some from our Disney Cruise at the end of February. Between Michelle, Courtney and I, one of us should be able to convince Tink to share a little with us to send to our yorkie breeder friends!

Go ahead Lisa....join the pixie dust crowd....

You are all being so childish about a fairly serious subject and I like levity ...but not at someone else's expense! It is not in the best interests of this forum that is for sure.

cheryl000 · 12-03-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

There are well respected breeders here whose dogs live in one room of the house in crates and never go for walks or to the park or for car rides. I think this is horrible that they never get to go outside. This breeder sound like she understands the needs of the dog to see sunlight occasionally and have some exercise. What is wrong with that?

I guess your definition of "respectable" and "a dog's needs" are different than mine. Keeping yorkies outside of the house is not cool. The dogs need to hear everyday sounds like the vacuum cleaner running and people walking around. It makes a well adjusted dog. This is why I always ask to see what the breeding facility looks like...

chachi · 12-03-2005, 07:33 PM

Why are you avoiding giving the name of the vet and breeder that breeds tinies?

cheryl000 · 12-03-2005, 07:34 PM

*hands out pixie dust to everyone for Christmas*

txshopper73 · 12-03-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I would defend them just as I would defend you if you were wrongly attacked. You are a breeder and I don't see how you breed your baby but I try not to judge you negatively for it. Whether or not to breed, period, and then if you breed, what size is okay to breed, are basically opinions, there is no real hard and fast "rule". There are plenty of breeders on here and elsewhere who have had better luck with free whelping than a lot of the breeders on here who breed nothing under 5 lbs, so I am merely defending them from warrantless attacks simply for having a different opinion.

I certainly wpuldn't call them names and say they don't love their dogs or they are only in it for the money, any more than I would say that to you because you breed.

This is to all of the breeders on here who do not show, not just Kimberley: Here is the question I have never had the guts to ask but if you do not show, you breed for pets only and you lose money on every litter then why breed your precious girl?

But what is more important, defending someone because you feel they are being attacked or defending a dog that can't speak for themselves? Which is it, Kim? You defend these UNreputable breeders all the time but you attack those (US) that are defending the bitches!

PlatinumYorkies · 12-03-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

....it is not okay to be rude. Civil and respectful debate is all I will participate in.

The last time I checked, this was a Yorkie forum...Not a debate forum...btw I liked abracadabra!

feminvstr · 12-03-2005, 07:38 PM

Kim you speak with such conviction it sounds as though youve had experience when indeed you havent.

Do yourself a favor find someone local or ask the several vets you know that own under breeding size bitches if you can come first hand to observe a whelping then come to this forum with your then educated opinion on breeding such small bitchs. While they are whelping perhaps you can engage in a conversation about inbreeding and line breed and the purpose for solidifing a bloodline!

wnalegria · 12-03-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Why are you avoiding giving the name of the vet and breeder that breeds tinies?

Thanks for bringing this up- I clearly am being avoided when I asked for the information maybe you wil get a response.

This thread has gone silly-because the comments that some make on here are just rambles. If you don't put some humor into this it would make one want to cry about how uniformed some of the members of this forum are.

I too like to debate but when you start quoting what has been told to you by others and representing this as the word of those who know more then the majority- I am like the old mule who wants to speak to them first hand. Just be kind to an old lady set in her ways - who are these breeder/vets who have taught a choosen few so much about breeding. I am always anxious to learn but I need more then just your word Kim.

luvdorkyyorkies · 12-03-2005, 08:07 PM

Ladies...ladies... ladies!.............lol......
I didnt mean to start a heated debate.
My Little girl is doing so well and she is such a wonderful mother. Her babies are strong nursers and you never hear a peep out of them, they are very content.
I was open to breeding my tiny, I thought it might go okay.Thought a small male might help. I thought I knew what I was doing. I didnt. My experience was bad and I will never do it again. There are guidelines for a reason, I think Ill stick to them instead of being a big head.
People will do what they want to do, I did, but I just wanted to warn them that it may not be what they may think it will be.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-03-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Why are you avoiding giving the name of the vet and breeder that breeds tinies?

See my posts # 58 and 66

wnalegria · 12-03-2005, 08:14 PM

Kelly I am so sorry. In our passion of the topic we have gone a muck on your thread. Once again thank you for sharing this topic with us- we admire you for your honnesty and your courage. Reading your story will help others when faced with a simular situation to make a informed choice- you my brave friend have been there and have done that. You speak words of wisdom.
You climbed the mountain and made it back down.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-03-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

Kim you speak with such conviction it sounds as though youve had experience when indeed you havent.

Do yourself a favor find someone local or ask the several vets you know that own under breeding size bitches if you can come first hand to observe a whelping then come to this forum with your then educated opinion on breeding such small bitchs. While they are whelping perhaps you can engage in a conversation about inbreeding and line breed and the purpose for solidifing a bloodline!

Not one single BREEDER on here who doesn't breed tinies has offered one source for why they feel it is unehtical, cruel, wrong, bad, disreputable and whatever else. The burden to prove it is bad is on those who say it IS, not those who don't know one way or the other.

Villette just offered her own vet as one who said it is okay to breed a tiny as long as it is not smaller than 4 lbs.

The breeders on here won't answer my question back on post #79 so I will try again:
This is to all of the breeders on here who do not show, not just Kimberley: Here is the question I have never had the guts to ask but if you do not show, you breed for pets only and you lose money on every litter then why breed your precious girl?__________________

12-03-2005, 07:33 PM	#96
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Why are you avoiding giving the name of the vet and breeder that breeds tinies? __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

12-03-2005, 07:38 PM	#100
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	Kim you speak with such conviction it sounds as though youve had experience when indeed you havent. Do yourself a favor find someone local or ask the several vets you know that own under breeding size bitches if you can come first hand to observe a whelping then come to this forum with your then educated opinion on breeding such small bitchs. While they are whelping perhaps you can engage in a conversation about inbreeding and line breed and the purpose for solidifing a bloodline! __________________ Kimberly

12-03-2005, 07:34 PM	#97
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	hands out pixie dust to everyone for Christmas

12-03-2005, 08:07 PM	#102
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	Ladies...ladies... ladies!.............lol...... I didnt mean to start a heated debate. My Little girl is doing so well and she is such a wonderful mother. Her babies are strong nursers and you never hear a peep out of them, they are very content. I was open to breeding my tiny, I thought it might go okay.Thought a small male might help. I thought I knew what I was doing. I didnt. My experience was bad and I will never do it again. There are guidelines for a reason, I think Ill stick to them instead of being a big head. People will do what they want to do, I did, but I just wanted to warn them that it may not be what they may think it will be.

12-03-2005, 08:14 PM	#104
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	Kelly I am so sorry. In our passion of the topic we have gone a muck on your thread. Once again thank you for sharing this topic with us- we admire you for your honnesty and your courage. Reading your story will help others when faced with a simular situation to make a informed choice- you my brave friend have been there and have done that. You speak words of wisdom. You climbed the mountain and made it back down.