New Dam / which Stud do I use ?

[dawn27]

Thank you for all of the great advise. It's good to know that there are people here on YT that are willing to give advise without being judgemental !

[chattiesmom]

It goes without saying that you will be sure that all of the appropriate testing will be done on the sire and Ruby, so start by researching the pedigrees of both your little bitch and the prospective sires. Look not only at the sire and bitch, but at the get of the prospective sires - study the pics of the get. If at all possible get your hands on pups of the sire. I would hesitate to use an unproven sire unless he has a pedigree that you can determine if this line reproduces itself. That is a very rare trait but very important if you are trying to improve on Ruby's strengths and downplay any faults she may have.

Stand back and take a good hard critical look at Ruby, evaluate her like a show judge would. You need to seek out a sire that will "in theory" improve falts that Ruby may have.

Do all of your research, studying, etc., but in the end God takes over and you "get what you get.

Good luck!!

[chattiesmom]

Sorry for having to edit so many times - I hit the wrong key and it posted before I was ready .

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by gemy

Is Gizmo registered with The Canadian Kennel Club, and not Continental Kennel Club?

If Continental I would certainly not go forward with this breeding until he is registered with the AKC.

Have you searched their pedigrees? KNow the health risks in the lines you are wishing to breed into? What is the incidence of LP for example in your girls line? In the potential stud's lines?

Remember with the breeding pair, even if they are clear of LP, there is still the opportunity for LP to manifest in their first litter. You will want to know the horizontal pedigree,etc. For example in the litter Gizmo was born in, how many if any of those pups have LP? Ditto for Liver shunt; (I'm assuming all have been tested clear), hip dysplasia.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by dawn27

1. No they did not meet her during a heat.
2. The temperment of the other two in my opinion is due to lack of training and most certainly age.
3. Gizmo is reg./ needs to be dual reg with AKC in order for me to reg the litter.
Colbys: the breeder has not sent in the litter reg yet (after a year)

IMHO none. CKC registered one may not be eligible to be AKC registered. AKC does not recognize Continental Kennel Club.
The one that is not yet registered, how do you know for sure he can be? Also if it is over a year, if registerable, it gets pretty expensive from what US breeders have told me, AKC has changed their way of charging.
When chosing a stud, I look at the WHOLE pedigree, parents grandparents etc. You are not just bringing the sire and dam into the genetic pattern of progeny, it is also going to based on what is behind the sire and dam. Genetic testing can be useless as in sire and/or dam could be a carrier for liver shunt or Legge Calves Perthes. Either won't have it but has the potential to throw it in a puppy if the right combination between sire and dam comes together genetically. That's why it is so important to consider your pedigree and to actually know the dogs and kennels behind that pedigree. And then things can still go wrong and you must be prepared to deal with that.
Are both parents WORTHY of passing on their genes, conformation coat etc?
It is not just a matter of lets have puppies because both sire and dam still the the equipment to do so.

[maci_mace]

Lorraine, the dog could be CANADIAN Kennel Club those CKC's always get mixed up.
Canadian registered dogs can quality for AKC reg. too. Maci's breeder does this.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by maci_mace

Lorraine, the dog could be CANADIAN Kennel Club those CKC's always get mixed up.
Canadian registered dogs can quality for AKC reg. too. Maci's breeder does this.

Very seldom is one so far down in the USA CAnadian Kennel Club registered. For a dog to be Canadian Kennel Club registered and not AKC it would have to been born in Canada. Some of my dogs are both CKC and AKC registered as they were born here, litter and individual registration done here in Canada with our CKC then I can register whichever dog I want with the AKC.
You can't register a litter born in the USA, Canadian Kennel Club without first doing the AKC registration. One that was sold from Canada to the USA definitely would be Canadian registered. However a non breeding agreement registration in Canada would stop AKC from registery the dog AKC.

[evenstar]

Personally, I would question the registration if it is Continental Kennel Club. They have been known to register just about anything. Many breeders that did not want to DNA test left AKC for CKC when AKC instituted the DNA program. IMO - if you are not willing to DNA test - you are not sure on the parentage of your dogs.
If you are not sure about the parentage then you have no way of knowing what inherited issues are lerking in the dogs you are using. So I would steer clear of any dogs that are not registered with AKC or the Canadian Kennel Club. AKC doesn't guarantee the parentage but I think you have a better shot at it being correct with them than with the other registries is USA.
I think Lorriane can confirm that the Canadian Kennel Club is stricter than the AKC!
Charlie

[evenstar]

One other thing - I read in a reply that Ruby is a perfect example of the Yorkshire Terrier. In your eyes, I am sure she is perfect. And I am sure she is lovely. But no Yorkie, be it mine or any one else's, is perfect. They all have areas that they do not meet the Standard. Truly look at her or have a breeder (and by that I mean someone that truly knows the breed- not just some one that has had litters) look at her and tell you where they think she needs improvement. Then work to improve those areas. Good breeders do not just consider the studs that are close to them or just the dog themselves. You need to look at the dog, his parents, grand parents and so on and the dogs he has produced. If you don't take all of that into consideration, you may be breeding to a swan from a group of ducks. Chances are the puppies produced will be ducks - not swans. The best dog for Ruby may not be any where near you. To just bred to one that is close but not right for her, you are not breeding to improve the breed but just to make a litter of pups. Is that truly what you want?
Charlie

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by evenstar

Personally, I would question the registration if it is Continental Kennel Club. They have been known to register just about anything. Many breeders that did not want to DNA test left AKC for CKC when AKC instituted the DNA program. IMO - if you are not willing to DNA test - you are not sure on the parentage of your dogs.

That is what I was getting at when I said as a potential puppy buyer I will only look at AKC or CandianKC registered parents/puppies.

Alot of yorkie mixes (or yorkies with something clearly mixed in there somewhere down the line....) look like pure yorkies as puppies. For me to be a happy pup buyer, my adult yorkie has to turn out looking like a yorkie. My best guarantee with that is an ethical breeder, seeing the parents, and AKC registration.

[bchgirl]

Your decision should be based on what faults your female has that the male can correct or compliment.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by evenstar

Personally, I would question the registration if it is Continental Kennel Club. They have been known to register just about anything. Many breeders that did not want to DNA test left AKC for CKC when AKC instituted the DNA program. IMO - if you are not willing to DNA test - you are not sure on the parentage of your dogs.
If you are not sure about the parentage then you have no way of knowing what inherited issues are lerking in the dogs you are using. So I would steer clear of any dogs that are not registered with AKC or the Canadian Kennel Club. AKC doesn't guarantee the parentage but I think you have a better shot at it being correct with them than with the other registries is USA.
I think Lorriane can confirm that the Canadian Kennel Club is stricter than the AKC!
Charlie

Nice Charlie