Merle Yorkie?

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I am not to literate when it comes to all this so excuse me if this is a dumb question, but are you saying then that parties, chocolates and golden yorkies are not purebred? I only have traditional's but am just curious.

Yes, the preponderance of scientific evidence suggests that partis, chocolates, and golden yorkies are not purebred. If you look earlier in this thread, someone was even advocating breeding these colors (as well as merle) in from other breeds and stated that as long as they were crossed into Yorkshire Terriers for at least three generations, it would fool the MARS test, and therefore it must be an okay thing to do. Needless to say, I (and many others) disagree.

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Coat color DNA testing in dogs: Theory meets practice

This article is behind a pay firewall, but it describes commercial DNA testing for coat color genes in dogs and has a table of alleles that have been tested for in various breeds, including the Yorkshire Terrier. Yorkies have been tested for the presence of "sp" (Parti color), "b" (brown), and "e" ("Gold Dust") alleles. The only problem is that these alleles have very specific DNA fingerprints, and they arose in other breeds. They could not have arisen spontaneously in the Yorkshire Terrier.

That's nothing new in the world of breeding dogs, outcrossing to achieve a certain color or a certain look is as old as time, such as we see in any of the lines of Yorkies that carried a short snout little baby doll face. People could easily say that they a not purebred, since the original bred Yorkies were quite facey. People who are close minded about something new, that only see the world in black and white, will never have the pleasure of taking that trip "somewhere over the rainbow"

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

Genomia: Yorkshire Terrier

I may have not made this clear in my previous reply. If a dog tests positive for the presence of "sp," "b," or "e" alleles, it is not a purebred Yorkshire Terrier. The Genomia website basically admits this.

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by tricia208

This is the link to UKC's News Release regarding breed standards and the effect on the health, function and performance of the dog. I know UKC was concerned about several breeds but I would prefer not posting that information. The Yorkie was not of concern to my knowledge. It is my understanding that all parent clubs have complied or working toward compliance with this new policy.

United Kennel Club: United Kennel Club, Inc. Announces Major Revisions To Its Breed Standards

I did not mean to get too far off the OP original subject or hijack the thread but the UKC policy is good news for all breeds and keeps the parent clubs thinking of all aspects of the breed. Thanks for asking.

Thank you for coming on board to help this sinking ship. Your information you posted hopefully can shed some light in the minds of people who go walking around in the dark trying to feel their way around. People who are quick to point the finger and condemn when they really don't have all the facts. They call themselves breeders, but know very little about breeding dogs. They breed to their high and mighty standards and think that nobody does it better than them. You can't come on here and talk the talk, because you think you have walked the walk and be quick to nail someone to the cross. Shame on them for thinking that they are at the top of the pyramid, that gives them the right to slander a persons good name. They should have the years I have under my belt of not only breeding, but breeding dogs that are without health problems. My hybrid Toy Doxies are my breed, free of genetic mistakes, nothing but healthy because that is what I worked on first before molding their bodies into the look I was going for. If they ever become a breed of their own, I'm sure you'll have the money makers out there to jump a the band wagon to make some coin off of my hard labor. That is what has happened in the Yorkie breed. The quality will always go down, when the numbers goes up in any breeds. My foremost interest has always been genetic color coding. I started my venture at the age of 10 with mice, and at 60 it never ceases to amaze me when I see new variation being born in my puppies. Condemn me if you will, but I see the merle gene as one not to be afraid of, but one to try to understand. Merle dogs have been around for a long time and it mother nature didn't want it, it would be there. AKC condones the breeding of the prized Harlequins Danes.....
Did you know that is a merle gene that causes that pattern You Yorkie talkers have little to fear about whether I would breed merle into the Yorkie, as it has already been done by someone else. Yorkies are not my breed of choice even though my family owns two.
So rest easy all you YT yackers, MARLENE has bigger fish to fry!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

. Yorkies are not my breed of choice even though my family owns two.
So rest easy all you YT yackers, MARLENE has bigger fish to fry!

Wowee what a post. Do you use Panko covering to fry your fish with?

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

Yorkies are not my breed of choice even though my family owns two.
So rest easy all you YT yackers, MARLENE has bigger fish to fry!

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

That's nothing new in the world of breeding dogs, outcrossing to achieve a certain color or a certain look is as old as time, such as we see in any of the lines of Yorkies that carried a short snout little baby doll face. People could easily say that they a not purebred, since the original bred Yorkies were quite facey. People who are close minded about something new, that only see the world in black and white, will never have the pleasure of taking that trip "somewhere over the rainbow"

That may be true if you're trying to create a new breed of dog, but NOT if you're trying to maintain and improve an existing breed of dog. There is nothing old, new, heroic, trippy, or rainbowesque about slipping a mongrel into ones breeding lineage--it's dishonest and unethical.

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by joyziegirl

no more than you could stop it in Great Dane, Boxer, Doxie, Cocker, Poms, Min Pins, Pits, Chihuahuas, and now Yorkies to just name a few.

We stopped it in pits, though.
NO legitimate pit bull registry will accept merle. Not the UKC, not the ADBA, NONE.
Heck, the AM Bully breeders don't even want merle, and there are some that have crossed their dogs to E.Bulldogs, and to Frenchies on up to Cane Corsos, lol.

You can thank one kennel for it. Platinum Kennel, and a guy name Howard who was crossing to danes and putting fake papers on his dogs, then he started breeding merle to merle and selling blind and deaf puppies.
People began to complain to the ADBA, and the only thing they could do at the time was disallow the registration of all merle colored dogs.

It's a shame, because there were legitimate kennels that had long time established merle lines (probably from accidental crossings decades ago with Cathoula Bulls). These people were just as affected, even though they weren't breeding their merles for profit.

[lynzy420]

Marlene, you are breeding Shihpoos, Dachs, merle Dachs, Morkies etc......you are a back yard breeder, you are not even an entrepreneur and just because you are well versed in scientific verbage and know something about genetics...you are wrong, you are more than wrong.

I will use layman terms because I am not a breeder nor geneticist. You are breeding HYBRID, DESIGNER DOGS and making money off their backs, you are by far an accomplished creator, nature did not intend for you to play mad scientist...you must be so envious of the breeders who work so hard to breed to standard and all their hardwork...you throw two dogs together and call them Teacup, miniature, Hybrid, etc...what the hell is that? You play people for fools and market toward innocent people with little knowledge and your dogs are nothing more products of two common mutts...I've seen many of your dogs, Michale, Monet, Mona Lisa, Mork, Mindy and quite frankly they don't look like the best representations of their breeds, and I don't mean this as a slam against them (I'd rather offend you then your dogs so please don't read this to them)...wait they are not even a breed...they are mutts, this is according to your logic, by the way.

You are the kind of breeder that produces many of these dogs in shelters and rescues...Your breeding program is pathetic and I detest breeders such as yourself. Do your pups a favor, release them from your laboratory of creation and get them good homes, be done with this, where on earth is your conscience?

[wemple2]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Marlene, you are breeding Shihpoos, Dachs, merle Dachs, Morkies etc......you are a back yard breeder, you are not even an entrepreneur and just because you are well versed in scientific verbage and know something about genetics...you are wrong, you are more than wrong.

I will use layman terms because I am not a breeder nor geneticist. You are breeding HYBRID, DESIGNER DOGS and making money off their backs, you are by far an accomplished creator, nature did not intend for you to play mad scientist...you must be so envious of the breeders who work so hard to breed to standard and all their hardwork...you throw two dogs together and call them Teacup, miniature, Hybrid, etc...what the hell is that? You play people for fools and market toward innocent people with little knowledge and your dogs are nothing more products of two common mutts...I've seen many of your dogs, Michale, Monet, Mona Lisa, Mork, Mindy...

You are the kind of breeder that produces many of these dogs in shelters and rescues...Your breeding program is pathetic...at best.

Good post Lynzy!

[lynzy420]

PStinard, I love you! You are such a valuable asset to this community...your knowledge is priceless, and believe me, you are helping way more than you know...!!! Awesome!! Thank you so much for all you do and explaining the "technical" side of things!

[Amazing Yorkies]

Speechless...

I'm with you Lynzy..

[CouversMom]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Marlene, you are breeding Shihpoos, Dachs, merle Dachs, Morkies etc......you are a back yard breeder, you are not even an entrepreneur and just because you are well versed in scientific verbage and know something about genetics...you are wrong, you are more than wrong.

I will use layman terms because I am not a breeder nor geneticist. You are breeding HYBRID, DESIGNER DOGS and making money off their backs, you are by far an accomplished creator, nature did not intend for you to play mad scientist...you must be so envious of the breeders who work so hard to breed to standard and all their hardwork...you throw two dogs together and call them Teacup, miniature, Hybrid, etc...what the hell is that? You play people for fools and market toward innocent people with little knowledge and your dogs are nothing more products of two common mutts...I've seen many of your dogs, Michale, Monet, Mona Lisa, Mork, Mindy and quite frankly they don't look like the best representations of their breeds, and I don't mean this as a slam against them (I'd rather offend you then your dogs so please don't read this to them)...wait they are not even a breed...they are mutts, this is according to your logic, by the way.

You are the kind of breeder that produces many of these dogs in shelters and rescues...Your breeding program is pathetic and I detest breeders such as yourself. Do your pups a favor, release them from your laboratory of creation and get them good homes, be done with this, where on earth is your conscience?

Way to go Lynzy!

[McheleM]

What is a hybrid dog! Is it like a hybrid car and you plug it's butt into a wall socket and recharge its batteries??

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by pstinard

That may be true if you're trying to create a new breed of dog, but NOT if you're trying to maintain and improve an existing breed of dog. There is nothing old, new, heroic, trippy, or rainbowesque about slipping a mongrel into ones breeding lineage--it's dishonest and unethical.