New: Need advise on stud fee's
 

Hello everyone! This forum is a bit confusing and very overwhelming...I'm not sure where I should post my threads. So here it goes..

I need help with what a fair stud fee payment should be. Please help...this is my first time having to go outside the home for stud service. I have recently had my 8 yr old male who was too big for our new dam neutered. I have a 7bl. /petite female and have found a 4bl. male to use as stud for her. Neither come from show dog backgrounds and the pups are only to be considered pet quality. We have agreed on the breeding procedure but are stuck on what the cost of the stud fee should be. I plan on asking $600 for the pups if that helps.

Often times the stud fee is arranged as a puppy back to the stud's owner. If not then you are talking $ for stud fee, think about what you want to do here, does it matter one way or the other to you? If not a pup back, often times is cost of one pup; ie $600

What are you interested in breeding your female? You already seem aware that any pups that come from a breeding from your dam will be "pet quality" so why even bother? After vet expenses for pre-breeding tests, possible c-section, shots, birthing supplies, etc. you won't be making a profit off these little pups. Not that you should be forcing a dog to become a "money tree" anyway. Please reconsider breeding your dam, if it's not for the betterment of the breed I really don't see the point. JMO.

If the male is proven and has had all of the pre-requisite testing done, then $500 or $600. If I was looking for a stud meeting your criteria, that is what I would consider reasonable.

I often swallow my gum when pet breeders tell me they charge the price of a puppy or take a litter pick...a nice puppy of quality and pedigree can run $3000 or more...even an average pet can be $1800..I would never pay that...and only would agree to a puppy back if the sire was one of the best in the country..even then I would perfer to pay the fee...

I guess pet Yorkies go for much more in FLA. It is my understanding neither sire nor bitch are a champion.

Everything costs more in West Palm Beach...LOL

I appriciate your oppinion...But I love doing it I love being able to provide our "per qualilty pure bred Yorkies pups" to families who can not afford to pay thousands of dollors on a Yorkie. Me included... I'm totaly comfortable in my decision to breed her. This is not my first time breeding I have had several litters before. I've done my research, I follow presedure and I have everything that I need. I know what I am doing and enjoy doing it.

Well I'm happy to say we have come to an agreement on the stud fee. ruby's next heat is this comming April and I am looking forward to hearing the pitter padder of little puppies running through the house once again. I already have people interested in puppies !!

And in New York!

And the West Coast.

Good Luck. But, pet quality should be a good representation of the breed. And if you aren't breeding to improve the breed, it shouldn't be done. The only way quality pet puppies are produced is if you start out with quality sire and dam

[QUOTE=Mardelin;3453245]Good Luck. But, pet quality should be a good representation of the breed. And if you aren't breeding to improve the breed, it shouldn't be done. The only way quality pet puppies are produced is if you start out with quality sire and dam[/QUOTE

In my oppinion Both are of good quality and represent the breed standards. Yorkies in Ohio cost much less which doesn't mean that they are of poor quality. They just cost less....

[quote=dawn27;3456957]I live in Ohio, and I think Ohio is like anyplace else. You can find BYB and "cheap" Yorkies or you can find reputable breeders who are breeding for the right reasons. It isn't that a Yorkie has to cost a fortune, but if a breeder is breeding for the right reasons and breeding the right way certain costs are involved. There are plenty ways for people who can't afford to pay a lot to adopt dogs, through shelters and rescues without having to buy from breeders who may sell cheaply due to questionable breeding practices.
Some of the Yorkies and other breeds that cost "less" in Ohio are due to Amish puppy mills.

Pets or not, One thing everyone has failed to ask has BOTH dogs been tested. It does not matter if you show or not, a pets NEEDS to be healthy! A cheap puppy can spell a lot of heartache in the future. Hence a cheap pet ends up NOT being cheap.
Please have both dogs tested for Liver Shunt and PRA!!!!
As a show person I have had many people come up to me and want to know WHY their yorkie does not look like mine. I have meet many people dealing with Liver Shunt. I even had a person wanting another yorkie cause the one she has had Liver Shunt and it is cheaper to buy a new one then fix the other!
Just Think seriously about it, It does not cost much in the long run and can spare many people much heartache
Sparklingbluyorkies.com

How Dare You !
 

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Seriously, I don't know who you think you are.... ? You have the nerve to call me a Back Yard Breeder, do you even know the definition? And better yet... DO you know ME ?

I am anything but a BYB. I take great pride in the care that I give to my Yorkies, all four of them. All of my animals are seen by a vet routinely. They are up to date on vaccinations, heart guard and yearly health checks. I stand by my decision to breed my Yorkies. And when I do, I follow standard procedure and give great care to the expecting mother and puppies before during and after whelping.

You take a look at the link below defining "BYB" topics 4, 5, 6 and 7 and than you take a look at topics 9, 10, 11 and 12 on what a Responsible Breeder does. Than you view my web site... you will soon come to realize that I am NOT what you say that I am . I take great offence to you even saying so.

I cant even express how much I am disgusted by your comment right now!! Maybe instead of sitting on your high horse you should take the time to look into someones profile and into whatever information is available before you put your two cents worth in...

How to Identify a Backyard Breeder or Puppy Mill Vs. a Good and Reputable Breeder | eHow.com

[quote=dawn27;3456957]Have you had them evaluated, had all the required tests performed? OFA, CERF, Bile Acids, Temperament Tests, etcn and had CHIC Numbers issued?

I know breeder/exhibitors throughout the country and several in Ohio....It is not as you say....I know their fees and their dogs are in demand.

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I know breeder/exhibitors throughout the country and several in Ohio....It is not as you say....I know their fees and their dogs are in demand.

I dont know what you mean by that...?

[quote=dawn27;3464026]I mean their prices are not at the level you say. They breed for themselves first, and any pups that they don't keep are sold way before a breeding takes place.

Goldenray Yorkies, Anderliegh Yorkies, Debonair Yorkies, Shakespeare and are a few great breeders in Ohio.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: I agree with you-this is the 2nd insult I've read from her today and I just joined the forum! I'm not even trying to make any $. I just have 2 dogs that mated (with my blessing). Mind you I took both 2 the vet- and have been blasted by the "experts." I thought this was a forum to get some good advice. Wrong! it's a place to flaunt and stuick your nose up and the greenies. Too bad-could have been a good thing. Good luck with your dogs. I'm sure you will do fine. Dogs have been mating for years and they are no where near extinction. What does that tell you?

WOW This is crazy. I have a "pet quality" yorkie and he is the best. Some members on the forum are out of control. Not everyone breeds show dogs and not everyone wants show dogs. I don't I just want a pet for our family. Little Wylie has been a joy and I would not trade him for anything. He is perfect and just to let you know I paid $650 from a pet store. I never met his parents or the breeder. Dawn27 I wish you luck with your new litter and I'm glad there are breeders out there like you.

Pet owners have pet quality dogs, there is nothing wrong with that, but we shouldn't breed them, nor encourage others to do so. Breeding should only be done to preserve the breed, and this means only healthy examples that have had tests performed, this is the absolute minimum. Have you read the sick and injured forum? So many dogs who have liver shunts and Luxating Patellas, and so many people cannot afford the surgery to fix these. How are you going to be able to afford $2000 surgery, if you can only afford $600 dog, do you just put the dog to sleep and cut your loses?

I also believe only good representatives of the breed should be bred; we have so many threads here on, "Is my dog a Yorkie"? For those who want to provide cheap alternatives to well bred yorkies, I really believe this is a mistake; Joey's initial cost was not the most expensive thing about him. Yorkies are an expensive bred to own, even if they are healthy. You can't think twice about taking your dog to an emergency room, these little guys can go down hill fast, and even minor things such as jumping off a couch, can injure a small yorkie. I had to take Joey to the emergency room twice the first year, and I consider myself a careful person. Not only that, but yorkies require much more intensive grooming care, and equipment to do it. Their teeth need much more care than some breeds and they need periodic expensive cleaning, the teeth are not just a cosmetic thing and can impact overall health drastically. Their digestive systems are another weakness, so quality food is important, and many are prone to allergies, this again can be an additional expense.

To the OP, as a breeder you should be willing to take the dog back any time in it's life, and try to find a suitable home, and if not able to do that it should always have a place with you. Also, you should make sure you can you afford the surgery it may need if it has one of the common genetic illnesses. You are responsible for any offspring your dog produces. Rescues right now are so overloaded, and we don't really need any more pets at this time, there are so many adorable dogs that need a home, I hope you consider these things before you breed.

I think this is a rather poor article explaining the difference between a reputable breeder and a backyard breeder, while it does have some valid points It states:

This sounds more like a puppymill to me, and when people call someone a backyard breeder, I don't think they think you are MEAN to your dogs, just that you aren't breeding for the right reasons.

Also, this statement suggesting that backyard breeders neuter dogs to prevent others from making money is ludicrous. Reputable breeders always, spay and neuter their breeding dogs before rehoming; to do otherwise is unconscionable.



I believe this chart has a better discription of backyard breeders verses reposnsible breeders. A COMPARISON OF: Responsible Hobby Breeders and Backyard Breeders/Irresponsible Breeders

It's wonderful you Wylie is such a joy and so far healthy. However, you bought him from a pet store.....doing so you supported puppy mills. Yep! They obtained your Wylie from a puppy mill for probably $150.00n and turned around and sold him for $650.

You've been on this forum for maybe a few days. Rachel has been on this forum much longer than that and first hand knowledge of what she is speaking about. You see she made wrong choices in selecting her dog from a breeder that thought putting two dogs together was all there was to it.

If one doesn't understand that breeding is serious business and not breeding to improve the breed, whether pet or not, then one shouldn't be breeding.

No one has said not to breed just to do it for the right reasons and correctly. And to do this one should not take short cuts, by just breeding two cute dogs. It means studying, educating oneself and starting with the best foundation possible.

Wow is all I can say, I think ppl spend to much time on here trying to correct people instead of helping them. Especially if you nothing about the person or there breeding...

Spend more time helping and getting to know the person then you can tell them what you think of them. Stop giving two cents that isnt helpful.....

As a newbie you'll see many responses to threads. This being an open forum and posting on such a forum one should expect various comments and some responses one may not like.

That being said, being a long time member, I've watched newbies come on here and begin dictating how one should or shouldn't answer. There are other longer time members that have read horror stories on people breeding for all the wrong reasons and it sickens most of us. We same posts just different and a different time.

The one thing that you'll find on this Forum is that we're a community that are passionate about the Yorkie Breed and understand they are living creatures that depend on us for their welfare. And don't believe the old addage that we all had to start somewhere.

By correcting them, the experienced breeders on here are helping.

I work (as other do on YT) with rescue dogs, and it is unbelievable the number of dogs that are abandoned or are seized from puppy mills etc.

There are too many dogs (of all breeds) being bred for the wrong reason.
It's all about the money for some people. Or "Gee, my dog is so cute and has a nice pedigree, couple champions in the line, I should breed her"

or, "I just want my little one to have puppies before I get her spayed"

or "Oops I think my Yorkie is pregnant, a male got to her"

And as someone has said - look at the sick and injured section, the emergency section etc.
BYB's don't care about getting the necessary tests done which is why they can sell their puppies for less than the experienced breeders like a lot you will see on here. Mardelin is a well respected breeder and her advice is always worth gold!

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I believe that some people should take the time to read the post before going all out and saying a person is something they arent. I truely love my yorkie and understand that this site is about ppl who also love there yorkies (i am hoping). But there may be ppl out there who need help but because of a person seeing others who are just breeding all willy nelly and giving negative responses or advice that will or may scare some folks away who really may need just some info. I am thankful there are ppl on here who are willing to help instead of assuming that ppl are just doing it because of whatever reason. The only thing I am saying is when it is time to post a comment, maybe read a little additional information before speaking your mind. Just like they say be slow to speak on here maybe be slow to type.