Wow is right....here we go again. Once again someone (me) comes to the forum for advise and gets ripped a new one by people who have nothing better to do than criticize others and who think that they have the right to judge.

Of course a well respected breeder as such should not be taken lightly. When asked..... I've done my research on the breed using web sites that are available through reputable breeders. But in my opinion, sometimes they can go to far. They comment on threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. And some people can be just down right Nasty !! Weather they are the reputable breeder or just some Jo Shmoe who has nothing better to do.

It is totally uncalled for...

Before thinks get to far off topic. I want to thank everyone who actually gave me "useable advise" on stud fees.

I also want to thank you for the information on the breeders here in Ohio. It could turn out to be very helpful in the future.

I know in my heart that I breed for the right reasons and that I take great pride in doing so.... I am a good person and I consider myself to be a Responsible Breeder. You all can say whatever you want, it won't change who I know that I am and what I do !!

No disrespect to anyone, but as a newbie on this site it is a little over whelming to hear ppl say you should spay your pregnant dog now, because they havent even taken the time to read any info on the page only other ppl post or I am a bad person and have I did all the correct stuff before mating.

I will say this again. YT is a forum comprised of members that have one passion; the dog. It's members have various levels of expertise, some pet owners, some breeders, some exhibitor/breeders. However, it is not the end all that meets all place to obtain knowledge. To obtain breeding information, it should be done via a mentor who knows the breed inside and out, taking classes on whelping, genetics and learning everything about their chosen breed. That should be done before attempting any breeding.

Again you are attempting to tell people how to answer on here. This forum belongs to one person and they call the shots and unless we break the rules we can answer any which way we like.

Amen to that !

I strongly suggest that you read the following post by one of the most respected members on YT.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html


Again this is an open forum and when you post and people don't offer what you want to hear, it isn't being rude or being ripped apart. We aren't going to sugar coat and tell you that everything you doing is wonderful. But, what I will say is when and if you're in trouble most of us will be right there to help you through.

Do you do any health testing of your sire and dams? There is alot more to being a reputable breeder than caring for your dogs and vetting them. Maybe it doesnt matter much to you but to someone whose had a dog with liver shunt or some other terrible disorder it matters. Yo someone who really studies the breed it matters. To someone concerned about dog overpopulation it matters. Only breeders who are breeding to improve the breed should be breeding. Do you even know the breed standard. If not that is another reason you shouldnt be breeding, all breeders should be breeding to the breed clubs standard. The reason why so many pet owners have yorkies that dont look like a yorkie should look is because the breeder isnt breeding according to the standard. I hope now when you see we see you care and vet your pups well that just isnt what is a good breeder. If you arent a reputable breeder than you are a back yard breeder.

Several members have expressed - perhaps in too heated a tone in your opinion - concern over your intentions. If you are not familiar with how a forum works it might be a bit overwhelming to be bombarded with so many strong opinions. Members are allowed to openly and freely express those opinions and by asking questions on a forum you open yourself up to that possibility. What's unfortunate is that often times the OP just goes on the defensive and cannot even absorb the opinions given because they are too offended at the tone of those responses.

One thing I notice, although you have stated that you are comfortable in your decision to breed, you don't explain what you have done to take all the necessary precautions. Has your male had the requisite testing? Has the female? "Doing research on the breed on web sites" is not enough to educated yourself on the complexities of breeding. I'm sorry you can't seem to weed through the emotions to understand that. Or so it appears to me. But as you've made clear - nothing will change your mind.

<This point from the (Earned Respect) thread stood out to me among others.> Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I will bookmark it for further inspiration.

"All I am asking is a little bit of restraint for those new to the forum. Take time to get to know the members, learn the contributions of others, and don't be so quick to draw conclusions that may well be unfounded and make you look the fool. If you disagree with a subject, address the subject only. Do not make character assassinations just because you think differently. Feel free to take on an issue, but stick to the issue and not personal insults or name calling. Don't try to twist what someone says just so you can make a magnanimous statement. "

I do appreciate the fact that we have freedom of speech and each and every one of us is entitled to our opinion. I do not however appreciate the negativity and nasty remark on my character.

I very much appreciate the feedback from the senior members and the reputable breeders here on YT. As well as the Yorkie owners, I thank you. I will continure to take the information/criticism good and bad and make informative choices.

I feel that this thread had gotten so far off topic that I refuse to participate in this conversation any further... I came here for one reason and I beleive I got the answer to my question. Than you !

[quote=dawn27;3456957]Wow where at in Ohio are you? I live in Ohio as well and to find a good quality yorkie from a reputable breeder for only $600 is a bit of a rare find.

How much did you agree on for a stud fee? The cheapest that I was ever able to find was $1000 and even that male didn't meet all my requirements, that is why I ended up getting my own stud.

I don't mean to criticize but you did bring up the whole thing of byb vs reputable breeder.

There are a many things you would have to work on before most would consider you a reputable breeder.
For one you never did say what precautions you took before mating the two dogs. What tests they had done or if you studied their backgrounds.

Another example is you only give a 6 month health guarantee and that is only when death occurs. That is a very unfair guarantee, not much of one at all actually.

10 to 12 weeks is the standard age for a pup to go home yet according to your site you let yours leave around 8 or 9 weeks old and charge the buyer for the extra time of keeping a puppy past that time.

You use APRI registry which is mainly for byb and puppymills.

In addition most good breeders require a spay/neuter contract, I don't see that mentioned anywhere on your site. This helps insure the puppy won't end up in a puppy mill.

It looks to me that you still have some learning to do. I'm glad you take great care of the parents and the pups and give them lots of love but that just isn't enough.

Please Breed Responsibly
 

To the OP:

You got more than you bargained for; when asking a "simple" question about stud fees. The thread took a turn into for you "unchartered waters" and one person's blunt opinion then generated a lot of questions, comments, opinions back and forth.

This is a public forum, where-in many folks will come, research, and find and read threads, so opinions expressed, defended, detailed, are not always "aimed" at you, but are for the future edification of readers to these threads.

If we allow ourselves to be open to different points of view, we can learn, we can change, we can strive to be better through knowledge.

Pet quality dogs, should never be less in health and temperament than "show quality" dogs. Breeding pet quality dogs, does not excuse nor condone, the requirements for breed appropriate health testing. Just start to research on the health challenges of this breed. You as a want to be reputable breeder, need to digest and understand all the health concerns of Yorkies, and to do your best to insure the breeding pair, are free themselves of these health defects. Continued minimal annual follow up with all your puppies that you have placed, will give you some great information on the continued (or not) health of said puppies. Said information is effectively used to inform your breeding program.

I can only hope that you can put aside whatever irritation and angst, challenging opinions/statements have caused and take the opportunity to learn.

Thank you for saying what you needed to say in a respectful manner without being negative or calling me names. I appreciate that very much. Wish that there were more people on YT like you...

"Respect goes a long way when earned"

Dawn I think we started on the wrong foot so I wanted to say Im sorry. I went to your website and its a very professionally put together website. You also go out of your way to give your buyers alot of info. There are things you do that would be red flags to me as a buyer like your 90 day health guarantee, you giving of shots at 6-7 weeks, and your pups going to there new homes at 8 weeks but I have also heard you say you are still learning. I do hope you continue learning and your breeding programs continues to grow with you

Hey Dawn, I'm sorry that you have had to deal with all of this. I'm also here in Ohio and I'd really like to exchange information with you so we may be able to chat off the board. I have two yorkies and a litter of puppies.

I guess I'm as bad as you :(. I know there are champions in both their bloodlines and no health problems in the last 4 generations but I certainly didn't have them tested for all the genetic issues I've read about on here.

Like you, It was my hope to give other families the joy of owning a Yorkie at an affordable price. After all the costs of vet visits and misc stuff I'm not making $$ on this venture. I did it out of love for the breed.

email me at rheyne@live.com if you want to chat.

We all start some place...but never make the mistake of saying..."I breed pets", so those snobbish show breeders rules do not apply to me.

In my mind there are not two kinds of breeders...(those who breed pets and those who breed show dogs)...we should all strive to breed to the standard...plain and simple. Look at each litter of pups and say..."What can I do to improve next time"...if a breeder is not going forward, they are slipping backwards..it is the law of Mother Nature....and she is a real bitch...you have to stay way ahead.

I looked at your site..very well done. Your bitch has erect ears..I looked at the litter of puppies...have you seen these pups as adults? How many of the 5have erect ears? If any have flop ears, please use another stud...or perhaps his male is a different stud and if so I applaud you for making a big effect to improve.

Best wishes

Have a great day!

Great job you guys
 

I think this thread is a great example of how actually communicating with a person can go so much further in helping them to learn than straight up confronting them ever will. This is a written forum, and so, often, one member's passionate efforts to educate come across as confrontational and critical, when that is not really the intent. And it is so easy to become offended when a person's passion blindsides you, especially when you feel it is directed towards you.

I want to applaud each of the members who took a part in this little exchange. With one apology and a little understanding (on both sides) each of you were able to learn a bit more about where the other was coming from. I wish that more threads reached these sort of conclusions, so that every member could be enriched with the knowledge that the experts on here so obviously possess... without being made to feel angry and defensive.

To the OP: It's so obvious that you genuinely care about your dogs, and that you really want to be the best breeder that you can be. I hope that you eventually come to realize just how much the members here share that love and passion... And how much they can help you along the way to becoming the best possible breeder that you can be. The ladies (and gentlemen) on here have a wealth of knowledge. My advice to you is to keep an open mind so that you can benefit as much as you possibly can from it. I'm sure you'll learn along the way just why the members on here feel so passionately about the things that they do... :)

Best of luck and well wishes to all :):):):)

:thumbup: Great post.