New: Need advise on stud fee's

[dawn27]

Wow is right....here we go again. Once again someone (me) comes to the forum for advise and gets ripped a new one by people who have nothing better to do than criticize others and who think that they have the right to judge.

Of course a well respected breeder as such should not be taken lightly. When asked..... I've done my research on the breed using web sites that are available through reputable breeders. But in my opinion, sometimes they can go to far. They comment on threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. And some people can be just down right Nasty !! Weather they are the reputable breeder or just some Jo Shmoe who has nothing better to do.

It is totally uncalled for...

Before thinks get to far off topic. I want to thank everyone who actually gave me "useable advise" on stud fees.

I also want to thank you for the information on the breeders here in Ohio. It could turn out to be very helpful in the future.

I know in my heart that I breed for the right reasons and that I take great pride in doing so.... I am a good person and I consider myself to be a Responsible Breeder. You all can say whatever you want, it won't change who I know that I am and what I do !!

[yorkietweetie]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

By correcting them, the experienced breeders on here are helping.

I work (as other do on YT) with rescue dogs, and it is unbelievable the number of dogs that are abandoned or are seized from puppy mills etc.

There are too many dogs (of all breeds) being bred for the wrong reason.
It's all about the money for some people. Or "Gee, my dog is so cute and has a nice pedigree, couple champions in the line, I should breed her"

or, "I just want my little one to have puppies before I get her spayed"

or "Oops I think my Yorkie is pregnant, a male got to her"

And as someone has said - look at the sick and injured section, the emergency section etc.
BYB's don't care about getting the necessary tests done which is why they can sell their puppies for less than the experienced breeders like a lot you will see on here. Mardelin is a well respected breeder and her advice is always worth gold!

No disrespect to anyone, but as a newbie on this site it is a little over whelming to hear ppl say you should spay your pregnant dog now, because they havent even taken the time to read any info on the page only other ppl post or I am a bad person and have I did all the correct stuff before mating.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkietweetie

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I believe that some people should take the time to read the post before going all out and saying a person is something they arent. I truely love my yorkie and understand that this site is about ppl who also love there yorkies (i am hoping). But there may be ppl out there who need help but because of a person seeing others who are just breeding all willy nelly and giving negative responses or advice that will or may scare some folks away who really may need just some info. I am thankful there are ppl on here who are willing to help instead of assuming that ppl are just doing it because of whatever reason. The only thing I am saying is when it is time to post a comment, maybe read a little additional information before speaking your mind. Just like they say be slow to speak on here maybe be slow to type.

I will say this again. YT is a forum comprised of members that have one passion; the dog. It's members have various levels of expertise, some pet owners, some breeders, some exhibitor/breeders. However, it is not the end all that meets all place to obtain knowledge. To obtain breeding information, it should be done via a mentor who knows the breed inside and out, taking classes on whelping, genetics and learning everything about their chosen breed. That should be done before attempting any breeding.

Again you are attempting to tell people how to answer on here. This forum belongs to one person and they call the shots and unless we break the rules we can answer any which way we like.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by yorkietweetie

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I believe that some people should take the time to read the post before going all out and saying a person is something they arent. I truely love my yorkie and understand that this site is about ppl who also love there yorkies (i am hoping). But there may be ppl out there who need help but because of a person seeing others who are just breeding all willy nelly and giving negative responses or advice that will or may scare some folks away who really may need just some info. I am thankful there are ppl on here who are willing to help instead of assuming that ppl are just doing it because of whatever reason. The only thing I am saying is when it is time to post a comment, maybe read a little additional information before speaking your mind. Just like they say be slow to speak on here maybe be slow to type.

Amen to that !

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Wow is right....here we go again. Once again someone (me) comes to the forum for advise and gets ripped a new one by people who have nothing better to do than criticize others and who think that they have the right to judge.

Of course a well respected breeder as such should not be taken lightly. When asked..... I've done my research on the breed using web sites that are available through reputable breeders. But in my opinion, sometimes they can go to far. They comment on threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. And some people can be just down right Nasty !! Weather they are the reputable breeder or just some Jo Shmoe who has nothing better to do.

It is totally uncalled for...

Before thinks get to far off topic. I want to thank everyone who actually gave me "useable advise" on stud fees.

I also want to thank you for the information on the breeders here in Ohio. It could turn out to be very helpful in the future.

I know in my heart that I breed for the right reasons and that I take great pride in doing so.... I am a good person and I consider myself to be a Responsible Breeder. You all can say whatever you want, it won't change who I know that I am and what I do !!

I strongly suggest that you read the following post by one of the most respected members on YT.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html


Again this is an open forum and when you post and people don't offer what you want to hear, it isn't being rude or being ripped apart. We aren't going to sugar coat and tell you that everything you doing is wonderful. But, what I will say is when and if you're in trouble most of us will be right there to help you through.

[chachi]

Do you do any health testing of your sire and dams? There is alot more to being a reputable breeder than caring for your dogs and vetting them. Maybe it doesnt matter much to you but to someone whose had a dog with liver shunt or some other terrible disorder it matters. Yo someone who really studies the breed it matters. To someone concerned about dog overpopulation it matters. Only breeders who are breeding to improve the breed should be breeding. Do you even know the breed standard. If not that is another reason you shouldnt be breeding, all breeders should be breeding to the breed clubs standard. The reason why so many pet owners have yorkies that dont look like a yorkie should look is because the breeder isnt breeding according to the standard. I hope now when you see we see you care and vet your pups well that just isnt what is a good breeder. If you arent a reputable breeder than you are a back yard breeder.

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Wow is right....here we go again. Once again someone (me) comes to the forum for advise and gets ripped a new one by people who have nothing better to do than criticize others and who think that they have the right to judge.

Of course a well respected breeder as such should not be taken lightly. When asked..... I've done my research on the breed using web sites that are available through reputable breeders. But in my opinion, sometimes they can go to far. They comment on threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. And some people can be just down right Nasty !! Weather they are the reputable breeder or just some Jo Shmoe who has nothing better to do.

It is totally uncalled for...

Before thinks get to far off topic. I want to thank everyone who actually gave me "useable advise" on stud fees.

I also want to thank you for the information on the breeders here in Ohio. It could turn out to be very helpful in the future.

I know in my heart that I breed for the right reasons CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE FORUM WHAT THOSE REASONS ARE BECAUSE IS SOUNDS LIKE CHEAP PUPPIES? and that I take great pride in doing so.... I am a good person and I consider myself to be a Responsible Breeder. You all can say whatever you want, it won't change who I know that I am and what I do !!

Several members have expressed - perhaps in too heated a tone in your opinion - concern over your intentions. If you are not familiar with how a forum works it might be a bit overwhelming to be bombarded with so many strong opinions. Members are allowed to openly and freely express those opinions and by asking questions on a forum you open yourself up to that possibility. What's unfortunate is that often times the OP just goes on the defensive and cannot even absorb the opinions given because they are too offended at the tone of those responses.

One thing I notice, although you have stated that you are comfortable in your decision to breed, you don't explain what you have done to take all the necessary precautions. Has your male had the requisite testing? Has the female? "Doing research on the breed on web sites" is not enough to educated yourself on the complexities of breeding. I'm sorry you can't seem to weed through the emotions to understand that. Or so it appears to me. But as you've made clear - nothing will change your mind.

[Wylie's Mom]

All ~~ please try to be more aware of how you post to those you may not agree with. Ask yourself if you'd learn from your own post if it was aimed at you -- or, would it more likely make you feel bad or tick you off or make you defensive?

[dawn27]

<This point from the (Earned Respect) thread stood out to me among others.> Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I will bookmark it for further inspiration.

"All I am asking is a little bit of restraint for those new to the forum. Take time to get to know the members, learn the contributions of others, and don't be so quick to draw conclusions that may well be unfounded and make you look the fool. If you disagree with a subject, address the subject only. Do not make character assassinations just because you think differently. Feel free to take on an issue, but stick to the issue and not personal insults or name calling. Don't try to twist what someone says just so you can make a magnanimous statement. "

I do appreciate the fact that we have freedom of speech and each and every one of us is entitled to our opinion. I do not however appreciate the negativity and nasty remark on my character.

I very much appreciate the feedback from the senior members and the reputable breeders here on YT. As well as the Yorkie owners, I thank you. I will continure to take the information/criticism good and bad and make informative choices.

I feel that this thread had gotten so far off topic that I refuse to participate in this conversation any further... I came here for one reason and I beleive I got the answer to my question. Than you !

[MyTrixie143]

[quote=dawn27;3456957]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Good Luck. But, pet quality should be a good representation of the breed. And if you aren't breeding to improve the breed, it shouldn't be done. The only way quality pet puppies are produced is if you start out with quality sire and dam[/QUOTE

In my oppinion Both are of good quality and represent the breed standards. Yorkies in Ohio cost much less which doesn't mean that they are of poor quality. They just cost less....

Wow where at in Ohio are you? I live in Ohio as well and to find a good quality yorkie from a reputable breeder for only $600 is a bit of a rare find.

How much did you agree on for a stud fee? The cheapest that I was ever able to find was $1000 and even that male didn't meet all my requirements, that is why I ended up getting my own stud.

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Seriously, I don't know who you think you are.... ? You have the nerve to call me a Back Yard Breeder, do you even know the definition? And better yet... DO you know ME ?

I am anything but a BYB. I take great pride in the care that I give to my Yorkies, all four of them. All of my animals are seen by a vet routinely. They are up to date on vaccinations, heart guard and yearly health checks. I stand by my decision to breed my Yorkies. And when I do, I follow standard procedure and give great care to the expecting mother and puppies before during and after whelping.

You take a look at the link below defining "BYB" topics 4, 5, 6 and 7 and than you take a look at topics 9, 10, 11 and 12 on what a Responsible Breeder does. Than you view my web site... you will soon come to realize that I am NOT what you say that I am . I take great offence to you even saying so.

I cant even express how much I am disgusted by your comment right now!! Maybe instead of sitting on your high horse you should take the time to look into someones profile and into whatever information is available before you put your two cents worth in...

How to Identify a Backyard Breeder or Puppy Mill Vs. a Good and Reputable Breeder | eHow.com

I don't mean to criticize but you did bring up the whole thing of byb vs reputable breeder.

There are a many things you would have to work on before most would consider you a reputable breeder.
For one you never did say what precautions you took before mating the two dogs. What tests they had done or if you studied their backgrounds.

Another example is you only give a 6 month health guarantee and that is only when death occurs. That is a very unfair guarantee, not much of one at all actually.

10 to 12 weeks is the standard age for a pup to go home yet according to your site you let yours leave around 8 or 9 weeks old and charge the buyer for the extra time of keeping a puppy past that time.

You use APRI registry which is mainly for byb and puppymills.

In addition most good breeders require a spay/neuter contract, I don't see that mentioned anywhere on your site. This helps insure the puppy won't end up in a puppy mill.

It looks to me that you still have some learning to do. I'm glad you take great care of the parents and the pups and give them lots of love but that just isn't enough.

[manolos mom]

A Yorkshire Terrier Should:
* Conform to the written Standard, which describes
the appearance and characteristics of the breed (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America)
* Be 7 pounds or under. Some will grow larger.
There are no “teacup” or “miniature” Yorkies.
* Be characterized by a long flowing blue and tan
silky coat. Puppies are born black and tan and
their color gradually changes to blue and tan.
* Be a healthy and long-lived companion.
The Problem of Popularity
* The Yorkshire Terrier is one of the most
popular AKC Breeds. Unscrupulous and ill
informed breeders try to profit by this
popularity by deceptive claims and
elaborate websites.Beware of Breeders Who……
*Advertise “rare” colors. There are no “rare” colored Yorkies. Solid brown, solid blue, “gold” or tri-colored Yorkies are mismarks. Reputable breeders do not breed for these colors. Such colors are a disqualification under the Breed Standard and cannot be shown in AKC shows.
* Advertise “teacup” or “miniature”. There are no size distinctions in Yorkies.
* Boast of Champion lines many generations back.
* Are willing to sell you a Yorkie without knowing anything about you.
* Do not offer a written contract or guarantee.
A Word About “Designer” Dogs
* There is no such thing as a Designer Breed.
These are mixed breeds, being sold for purebred
or higher prices. Terms such as Yorkiepoos,
Morkies, Chorkies , Shorkies, Dorkies are made
up names! They are not breeds.
* So called “Designer Dogs” are often promoted
as being healthier. While all breeds and mixed
breeds are subject to certain genetic problems. “Designer Dogs” may be at even greater risk. The breeders are often using less than quality parents
and are poorly informed about the genetic
background of the parents.
A Reputable Breeder Will….
* Want to know as much about you as you do
about them. They are concerned with the
well-being of their puppies and making sure the
puppy is a good fit for you.
*Will be knowledgeable and open about the pros,
cons and health of the breed. Will discuss spay
and neutering.
*Will not sell a Yorkie puppy prior to 12 weeks of
age, because of problems that may occur with a
younger puppy.
* Will be happy for you to meet the puppy at their
kennel or home. They will not ask to meet you
elsewhere.
* Will not be selling puppies through pet stores, at
auctions or flea markets.
* Will provide a written contract with health
guarantees and detailed records of the puppy’s
health care.
*Will always be available for questions or concerns
as their primary concern is the welfare of the puppy.

[gemy]

To the OP:

You got more than you bargained for; when asking a "simple" question about stud fees. The thread took a turn into for you "unchartered waters" and one person's blunt opinion then generated a lot of questions, comments, opinions back and forth.

This is a public forum, where-in many folks will come, research, and find and read threads, so opinions expressed, defended, detailed, are not always "aimed" at you, but are for the future edification of readers to these threads.

If we allow ourselves to be open to different points of view, we can learn, we can change, we can strive to be better through knowledge.

Pet quality dogs, should never be less in health and temperament than "show quality" dogs. Breeding pet quality dogs, does not excuse nor condone, the requirements for breed appropriate health testing. Just start to research on the health challenges of this breed. You as a want to be reputable breeder, need to digest and understand all the health concerns of Yorkies, and to do your best to insure the breeding pair, are free themselves of these health defects. Continued minimal annual follow up with all your puppies that you have placed, will give you some great information on the continued (or not) health of said puppies. Said information is effectively used to inform your breeding program.

I can only hope that you can put aside whatever irritation and angst, challenging opinions/statements have caused and take the opportunity to learn.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by gemy

To the OP:

You got more than you bargained for; when asking a "simple" question about stud fees. The thread took a turn into for you "unchartered waters" and one person's blunt opinion then generated a lot of questions, comments, opinions back and forth.

This is a public forum, where-in many folks will come, research, and find and read threads, so opinions expressed, defended, detailed, are not always "aimed" at you, but are for the future edification of readers to these threads.

If we allow ourselves to be open to different points of view, we can learn, we can change, we can strive to be better through knowledge.

Pet quality dogs, should never be less in health and temperament than "show quality" dogs. Breeding pet quality dogs, does not excuse nor condone, the requirements for breed appropriate health testing. Just start to research on the health challenges of this breed. You as a want to be reputable breeder, need to digest and understand all the health concerns of Yorkies, and to do your best to insure the breeding pair, are free themselves of these health defects. Continued minimal annual follow up with all your puppies that you have placed, will give you some great information on the continued (or not) health of said puppies. Said information is effectively used to inform your breeding program.

I can only hope that you can put aside whatever irritation and angst, challenging opinions/statements have caused and take the opportunity to learn.

Thank you for saying what you needed to say in a respectful manner without being negative or calling me names. I appreciate that very much. Wish that there were more people on YT like you...

"Respect goes a long way when earned"

[chachi]

Dawn I think we started on the wrong foot so I wanted to say Im sorry. I went to your website and its a very professionally put together website. You also go out of your way to give your buyers alot of info. There are things you do that would be red flags to me as a buyer like your 90 day health guarantee, you giving of shots at 6-7 weeks, and your pups going to there new homes at 8 weeks but I have also heard you say you are still learning. I do hope you continue learning and your breeding programs continues to grow with you