exactly :)

Great discriptions Donna. If a dog is prancing, there's just to much bounce in the movement, not what you want to see in a yorkie's movement.

You also, want to see; reach & power added to your words.

A Yorkie breeder does not have to show to produce a terrific puppy..but if they are not using show quality, breeding to show quality, closely assocciated to show breeders, using their studs and attending shows..they are totally fooling themselves.
Horses prance, a Yorkie gait should look like it is gliding on glass..a world of difference.
What shows may I ask did you see Yorkies who looked like "abused circus dogs forece to perform"...I have seen them act up and refuse to show well..they do have a mind of their own...and you chalk it up to a bad day, it is a part of what happens...but I have yet to see an exhabitor "force" a champship on any Yorkie...they are strong willed and if they do not like to show, pack it in.

How does a person know the dog is worthy unless it has been evaluated by a number of different knowledgeable people?

I'm perplexed by the number of breeders who don't like showing for one reason or another, or they don't hold it in high regard, yet they are proud of the champions in their breeding dogs' pedigrees.

Use whatever word you want :) But if the dog doesn't move correctly that means there is something is wrong with it structurely so therefore may not be breed worthy. Gait and structure go hand in hand in my opinion so how a dog moves is important as well for breeding purposes :)

What a good point! I have heard non showing breeders say how crooked the show world is, political, blah, blah, blah yet brag on the champions in their pedigrees. Hypocrites! Champion your own dogs, I say and then be proud. Don't take credit for the work others.

Donna, this is true to a degree. There is no perfect dog. We see dogs in the ring all the time with poor movement and sometimes they win. What it boils down to is what faults can you live with and what faults can the judge live with. Some faults are easier to correct than others. To me a really bad topline is a total turnoff. Proper movement is just a small piece of the puzzle.

You can have a dog with near perfect structure and coat but if the dog does not carry it's tail up and show a little attitude in the ring then it will be very difficult to finish.

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:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: so much agree here. Albeit given proper handling of the Yorkie. Each and every dog has an ideal pace at trot around the ring. It is the very good handlers that get that, in fact search for that ideal pace for your dog.

My new handler for Razz, I told her verbally about his pace ideal, yet in the first couple of shows, she paced him incorrectly, so he was pulling at the lead, acting up, doing all sorts of yucky things. I showed her the videos. Then we went to a private place, and I said watch, and I brought him around the ring, and down and back. I said this dog has a huge reach and drive, and you must extend your legs to meet that. Point was made, and then she practised with him in the ring. And she said "gail' wow just wow: that boy can really really move out. Uh huh, but he can still be fractious, and is certainly stubborn. But he will almost "always" want to move and move "fast". That is his natural speed.

My Magic has a different speed. Slower than Razz even though he is 3x his size, but at that speed, with all things being right in the world, he will show an extended trot. Truly the extended trot is floating in the ring, and if you see a 120 or so pound dog do this, it is breathtaking. There is a ground covering/eating stride, the head is held steady, the topline steady, it is truely poetry in motion. There is a firm very firm footfall, that elastically releases from the ground, and they literally devour the ground beneath them.

I think the OP wanted an answer to her question and not page after page about why she should not breed. Assumptions are made about people with ONE question they ask. These threads always end up the same....Breeders hate on other Breeders, Breeders who dont think you have to show, Breeders that think anyone who breeds yorkies and doesnt show is a piece of crap. Rescue people jumping in to add their touch. Blah Blah Blah. All the same.....every thread.....ends up the same way. People like me are not suprised, but the newbies are caught off guard and they dont know how to handle it.

It is true, a nicer approach would be nice. People might stick around. I understand everyone has their passion, but some people really need grace around here. The excuse that this is a forum and people have their opinions doesnt cut it because there are much nicer places on the internet.

With that being said, I have met some great people and that is why I choose to stick around.

So, I really hope the OP comes back. :)

That is very true about finishing a dog. But tail up bespeaks a whole lot of things (usually), confidence, security, some degree of happiness, and enthusiasm, really all the things you want in a stable dog.

Poor movement does win a lot, imo in a whole lot of breeds, not just Yorkies. I guess as a structure kind of gal, movement is a huge key to proper structure, quite simply if the structure isn't there, so the movement will not be there.

Then you in the YOrkie breed add on color and coat, in my breed, color, coat, head, bite, height, and weight.

And I personally hope you do. There is cetainly here a fission, a divide across a number of different topics. These groups are much like you have described.

This person got answers to her questions, and yet, and yet, came back to prick and prod those responses on a number of different facets.

I wonder why, this is an out of character response for a relative newbie.

I just hope she comes back. I know I almost left several times, but you get tough skin sticking around. LOL :p

I really havent replied on this thread but have been reading it. The OP seemed very combative and not open to the answers given over and over

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I don't think she was upset because she didnt get the answer she was wanting. She is upset because for the most part she didn't get any answers. Only a couple of people actually answered her question.

JMHO put if you don't have the answer to the questions stay off the thread.

Anyone one who has been on YT for any length of time at all knows which comments are going to start an argument. So why even go there unless your sole purpose is to start an argument. And if that is the case, start your own thread.

Comments such as get a rescue, or have her spayed, or only people who are interested in money, so on and so forth, did not answer her question.

If only we were all more like you! On the other hand, there was a lot of information to be learned in this thread for someone who wants to know more than just a yes or no answer.

I answered the OP's question at post #51 and was not acknowledged by the OP.

:thumbup:I find myself getting caught up in the discussion rather than the OP. A newcomer must be dazed beyond belief by the pages of arguments. There are so many different passions on here that things get stupid. I really hope the OP comes back. It wasn't such a simple answer to Paisley's question but she should have gotten constructive advice only. MIL always said you catch more flies with honey. Corny but true.

OMG... I did it again. I didn't read your post before posting exactly what you said. I'm like a damn copycat but I didn't copy, I swear :)

Please come back OP, the guilt is killing me because I'm one of the offenders.

Funny that you say that when your first post in this thread wasn't in response to the OP's question at all.

Moving right along.

It is my impression that the OP seemed to want to simplify something that just can't be simplified. It was a question that did not have a yes or no answer. I think she did get some great advice.

I think it is also good she was given complex responses because it gives her the impression she should have. That there is a lot at stake here and a lot of factors that she needs to thoroughly understand and research. If she truly has a passion it would only encourage her to try to prepare herself for a long haul.

Basic research with books would be a good place to start. I hope she does pick up those that were recommended. I see them mentioned quite often.

LOL
What a thing to strart an argument over. people must really be bored today.
Prance
Parade
walk
Trot
Skip
Glide.

I like the word prance too.
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Keep fanning those flames heck why not just pour som gasoline on it.

She said she got her answer.

Every one on YT for over an hour knows if you want to start an argument start a post about:

Breeding
buying under age puppies
parti or Biewers
undersized dogs
or selling any dog

Now they have add which gait a yorkie hasv in the show ring. That is getting pretty desperate.

You are right, people will see a fight where ever they want to.

Shame on you show breeders for trying to explain terminology the way it's used in the ring. ;)

Shame, Shame on us show breeders and what a way to fuel a fire LOL...what was the other word...gasoline? Why not just add the flame to that gasoline as to ignite it.... ROFLMAO

I think I understand why many people are "unwilling" to educate.

My Yorkie girl is 11.2 lbs. My boy is 12.4 lbs. When I purchased my boy from the Breeder I asked a million and one questions and did my research and still got scammed. I wanted a black n brown yorkie to be about 5lbs. My girl just gave birth to a litter on Dec 7 n Dec 8. She had to have a c-section as one was in the wrong position n died blocking the other 2 from coming down. I call my vet for every small thing and I have learned the vet I use doesn't care. I can say I found a great and caring vet and the compassion they have for all animals is amazing. So right now we have 4 puppies which will be 6 weeks on Tuesday n Wednesday. So when speaking to my vet about the breeding she said to have x-rays n ultra sounds done to check position and sizes and then she could give an estimate of birth. I will NOT be breeding again, I didn't make any money it cost me money due to all the issues with her calcium and the baby dying. So I would find a good vet and talk it over and make sure you have buyer before hand as sometimes they can be hard to get rid of since you are not a breeder. I had family and friends that loved mine and that is the only reason we breed them at all. Good Luck to you.

It is not about chosing a word we like to describe a dog's movement. Whether or not you like the word Prance, it is incorrect in how a yorkie should move. Hence the importance of attending shows and learning the structure of a dog. Otherwise you'll continue breeding incorrect movement yorkies that prance; you don't want to see them bounce. If you do the structure of the dog is incorrect.

The terminology is not only important in the ring, but important when breeding.......if you don't understand how a dog is put together for it to move properly, then you don't have a clue on how to breed.

True. But like in any field, there are certain words that mean specific things, and those words may not mean the same thing they do in the "outside" world. Knowing the proper terminology helps facilitate communication so that everyone is speaking about exactly the same thing.

I really don't understand why attempts at educating are met with such resistance here sometimes.