She was told that several times by different people in different words.

As for "derogatory" statements about non show breeders, the closest thing I saw was this before the swinging at show breeders started:

I'm really surprised you would take that as a dig at all non-show breeders. Genetic defects aren't exactly a huge secret in the yorkie community. Liver shunts, LP, luxating patellas, pda's etc. should be a concern for everyone who breeds.


I don't think it's unfair so much as a statement that it is not a very common duality in thinking; adding to the pet population versus getting homes for the millions upon millions of animals abandoned and destroyed each year.

Go to Amazon.com for those books, much better prices.

Remember on your journey, you will get so much advice.....your head will feel like it's going to explode. Eventually it will all come together.

You have a very young pup. The appropriate age to purchase a breeding dog/bitch is approximately 7 months of age, if not older. Again, I will reiterate caution, because there are so many variables with this too. Yorkies are one of the most difficult breeds to breed.....it's not like in Poodles, German Sheppards, Dobies.....you breed pheno type to pheno type and whalla....you know what the pups are going to be......

I just find it a bit offensive coming from a select group such as a pure breed dog message board to tell me that I'm the one that needs to worry about the pet population. I don't see why something like that would even be thrown in my face on a site like this (as an insult mind you). How many here take in strays and throw aways? What does me rescuing and saving the lives of throw away dogs have to do with me considering to breed my little female yorkie??

I believe I should rethink my participation here. I've even recommended this site to 2 other people. My daughter and a friend. :(

If anything, I am leaving here more confused than when I started.

Belittling and hand slapping is no way to treat new inquiring members. I am the type that would have stuck around and given back to the community in any way that I could have. However, I understand that sometimes the internet, being anonymous, is an outlet for superiority complex.

I'll buy some books.

Take care!

Yorkie talk is not exclusively a purebreed forum, we have lots of folks here with mixes of various kinds etc. There are members here who are heavily involved in rescue as well. Members who train, members who do agility, just all sorts of different kinds of folks, with different kinds of dogs.

Most here seem to be united by a passionate love of Yorkies, but also of dogs in general.

I'm sorry you have found your experience to be unsettling and disturbing.

What you take as an insult, only you can decide.

As for how many take in strays and throw aways; quite a few of the members are either involved heavily in rescues, have rescued pets in our home (I personally have 3), donate time and money and products to rescues. Most here take the breeding of ANY animal, pure bred, mixed, dog, cat, etc, seriously and want to see ALL animals in loving homes rather than being abandoned and euthanized. I fail to see why a board dedicated to a particular breed should be exempt from also having people passionate and vocal about rescues.

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Maybe you should check out the most recent thread:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...lp-needed.html

There are many more here:
Yorkie Rescues & New Homes Needed - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

Paisley 10: That was really a very difficult question, more difficult than you realized when you asked it. To a novice it may seem simple, but when you throw it out to experts, they see all of the complications and nuances of determining if a dog is worthy of breeding and, in turn, choosing breeding pairs. There is so much more to it than choosing a pretty male and a pretty female.

Maybe it would be like going on a forum for rockets and asking: "I want to build my first rocket. Will XXXX work as a rocket fuel?" Rocket scientists would probably start asking you all kinds of questions and wouldn't give you a "yes" or "no." What kind of rocket, how much does it weigh, how is it designed / constructed, rocket staging etc. It's not that XXX won't lift a rocket, it is just that the more you know, the more difficult it is to ignore all the details and nuances that go into determining the correct and best answer to the question. Nobody wants to lead you down the wrong path.

It is very difficult to take into consideration a dog's faults and all of the related dogs (ancestors, uncles, aunts, cousins, brothers, sister, etc) -- and it should be a dog with minimal faults that is very close to standard -- and trying to find a suitable mate, complete with their own faults (and their relatives faults) in an attempt to come up with offspring that are excellent examples of the breed. Choose the wrong pair without considering history/faults and there is no telling what could pop up in the offspring that you can't see just by looking at that beautiful male and beautiful female.

Now if you ask the same question of someone inexperienced (like me), the best is that I could say, "it is possible, but can't give you a probability of whether it will turn out to be yes or no." Even those that breed using the most strict criteria produce only a few (maybe 25%) that are worthy of the show ring or breeding. When it comes to back yard breeders that never take all the faults into account, they probably rarely ever produce a dog that meets the standard closely enough. Then you get into all the health testing ......

The only advice I will give you is that if you are going to spay your girl, wait longer than 16 weeks. Yorkies often have retained baby teeth that need to be pulled, and you won't know if this is the case until perhaps 6 or 7 months of age. Hopefully, they will all fall out on their own, but if they don't that will require putting her under anesthesia. If you hold off on her spay until then, you can get it all done at once and not have to take the risk of putting her under twice.

I do think show dogs prance around the ring and they are beautiful doing so.

I see the wolves have attacked Paisley10, leaving only the bones for the crows to pick at.

Where do you see that Paisley was attacked, all were giving sound advice.

Posts such as yours ignite a fire when totally unnecessary.

I really thought it was more of a torching than an attack. :D

Jeanne you never cease to amaze me :D

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Although, lock57, as a wanna be yorkie breeder might have that perception. They often do not like the advice or answer given, and take it as insensitive, attacking and/or rude, when told they shouldn't breed either a specific dog or at all.

I'm new on here, just an observation. A more gentle,kinder approach would have been better. Don't think you will be seeing Pailey10 again.

I am new to the site as well and I think some of the comments have been rude when she is just asking a question give her your idea's. At least she loves her dog enough to ask questions. Others just breed and never ask anyone. She is trying to educate herself on it. I am a dog lover have three yorkies breed for pets. And yes also have a big dog i adopted from the pound. So don't be casting stones unless you are all so perfect that you can. I think you are going about it the right way Paisly and I hope you stay because there is lots of good information on this site. Use your best judgement and you will do fine. ok i am done sorry i just felt like she was being attacked way to much.

What is it with some of you? Do you think this site is some sort of vending machine where you can just press a few keys and get exactly what you think you want? Put your quarters back in your pocket....there's no coin slot in your monitor.

Paisley got people's opinions...that's why they call this a public forum. She's welcome to come back and ask questions and she'll get...surprise!!...more opinions.

I have no earthly idea why you feel the need to throw your carcass on the pile. :rolleyes:

SOS/DD

In my humble exhibitor opinion, I agree with you 100%.

I guess to a casual observer, looking at the Yorkies prancing in the ring looks like a cakewalk. To anyone who would say that, try it yourself and see if you can win. Then tell me it's a small feat to finish a dog.

Keep fanning that flame :D

You mean for $5 I don't get the answers I want to hear...how much does that cost?!?:p

Differences of opinion were given, that's the beauty of human nature we all have one :) Take the opinion that suits you and ignore the rest. Easy as that!
If it's not what you want to hear as seen in this thread there will be one that will suit your needs perfectly :)

Donna

That would be $20....but for that you get it with a nice sugar glaze....really a great deal!! :D

I never said it was easy to win, I do understand the dedication to takes to finish a dog; however, that doesn't make the dog that doesn't finish (or is not even shown to begin with) automatically substandard or not breed worthy. And I consider the word 'prance' complimentary. A beautiful dog 'prancing' around the ring, that's how I envision it - whether they walk, prance, strut, waltz, trot, run, whatever descriptive word one wants to use - go ahead pick one - that would probably be harder to do here and please everyone than actually showing a dog ---

the word that would describe the perfect gait in the ring is "glide" "flow" "fluid" movement not strut, prance, run, or waltz :) I hope those words make more sense :)

Donna

Just reading through the thread; I have to agree with this statement. I didn't see any bashing or 'torching' . . but none of the answers seemed to please the OP. They were too long; or caused her confusion; or condescending; or or . . . . . . whatever.

Guess I just threw my carcass on the pile :)

It does take a thick skin to hang around here. It is my opinion that here you have your backyard breeders piping in, your show breeders and your anti-show breeders, your anti-backyard breeders and those that seem to against almost any kind of breeding. So with your one simple question you got a sampling of everybody's opinions and the usual arguing among them. Before you go away and don't come back, however, keep in mind that if you can figure out where members are coming from you can realize that their opinion might not pertain to your goals and if they do not, you can just ignore them and get some really good advice. I will say that if you really want to breed your Yorkie, the question is for what goal? It is very exciting to be involved in Yorkie breeding/exhibiting. If that is something you might be interested in then you could get some good advice on here rather than meandering around on your own.

Can you breed a bitch over 7 pounds and get good standard sized puppies? Yes but I need to qualify that answer with much research would need to be done first to see if it is probable.

Good luck!

Okay, just because someone's dog hasn't 'glided' across the show ring doesn't make it not breed worthy. I'm sure that word has now got my point across. Improve the breed - the criteria should be to breed to breed worthy dogs, not limit oneself (thus the breed) to breeding only to dogs that have been shown. Especially those breeders that claim to have been breeding and showing for years, they know whether or dog is breed worthy just as much as any show judge and if they don't then maybe they shouldn't be breeding as they are in no position to "improve the breed".

Personally, still like the word prance...watch them in shows, those little heads so proud and happy (well, some at least, some look like abused circus dogs forced to perform) but from now I on I will refrain from using prance and use glide.

Hi Kendra. I know what you are trying to say. Of course a ch. title does not change the genes of a dog but it does do is show that dog to other exhibitors. Finishing him gives him the stamp of approval from AKC judges that he is breed worthy. These judges are experts. If a breeder wants to go forward and have the possibility of tapping into the genes they might lust after, they have a lot better chance of that happening if prove their dogs in the ring. Just my observations.

Nicely put BFar I have found so much good information on this site it out ways everything negative. Every one that post believes that their way is the best. One thing is for sure lots of dogs lovers belong to this site

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And very passionate about them too. I have definitely found that Yorkies and passion go together.

I agree with Donna. GOOD, well trained show dogs do not prance, they appear to glide around the ring with heads held high and that beautiful long coat just flowing. if they look to be prancing to you, they have a bouncy gait and most judges do not like that.

There were no rude comments toward the OP. Comments were made that her questions were unabled to be answered simplictically.

This is a public forum and discussions do get heated, lots of opinions, feelings, and personalities. What you will find is the information that is of value is not sugar coated. Breeding is a serious endevor, seriousness is required, dog's lives are at stake....

Many have taken time to answer the OP. In my opinion, YT is a place you can get basic information, but not the end all that meets all. The rest is up to the individual to either take the information and go forth, or look for excuses, because the information is not what one wants to hear. If that's the case then continue to ask questions else where. You can always get the answers you want if you ask the right people????