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How to prepare for a litter. Hi everyone, I have a female Yorkie, Panini 1.4 years of age and 4.8lbs (now that she's pregnant.) I want to start off by saying that I originally wanted to breed her, but when the vet advised us against it, we decided not too. With that said, we couldn't afford to get her or my other Yorkie, Boshin (male), 1.6 years of age and 5lbs fixed. And we found out after the fact that we could have went to the animal shelter to do it.. but anyways. She was in heat and we weren't fast enough to separate them in time so here we are. I was hoping you guys could give me advice on what to do. I want to do whats best for my Panini and her pups. I don't want to sell them, just find them great homes with loving owners when they're ready and I really want to educate myself on this whole process. Please help. Thanks. |
research as much as you can. A good place to start is. Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders. Find a vet that is know small breeds and keep in contact with him. Less than 5 pounds is not idea to breed and alot of things can go wron. That is why you have a vet lined up and available 24/7 If you want to talk pm me or I will give you my number so we can chatt and help you with questions you may have. Melissa |
I find a nice glass of wine or two prepares me very well... AND...there is nothing wrong in selling the pups for a fair price...and using the money to spay and neuter your pets..put some aside for future dental and vet care. |
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What's really concerning is that your own vet advised against her getting pregnant. His advice should not have been ignored as there is a basis for that. You may well be putting your girl at serious risk with this pregnancy, and consider that any complications cost money, aside from the risks to your girl. I would suggest that you check with your vet about having her spayed. You will eliminate the possibility of life threatening risks to her and, if money's tight, can you afford any treatment she may need? |
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I'd like to mention to the OP, since they may not know, that there is such a thing as an emergency spay to terminate the pregnancy. I know that before I did reading in the Breeder's section here (just for knowledge) I didn't know that you could spay AFTER pregnancy had already occurred. I agree with those who have already posted. Consider a spay because it will be cheaper in the grand scheme. I've read postings where litters cost people well over $2,000. I think a few hundred dollars for a spay is a better option if you are having money issues. |
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The OP's own vet has advised against breeding this girl. There's no way anyone on a forum should go against the advice of a vet that has physically seen this girl. Aside from the money, there were obviously medical reasons for the vet's recommendation of not breeding her. |
I understand all of your concerns and I want to make this perfectly clear. WE DID NOT intentionally get her pregnant. We care for our dogs but at the time it was to our carelessless I admit that in one time she was inseminated. I own to that, so please do not assume we ignored out vets concerns. We are having a very hard time dealing with this and if it means we go into debt credit card wise we will do so. We went to the vet yesterday again and she had mentioned about spaying her so we are considering it. Like I said before I'm just trying to educate myself as much as possible and trying to make the best decisions for her. I'm not trying to be a breeder, it was a simple mistake on my fault for not watching out closely enough at the time. Please try to understand that I myself am worried about her well being. As for her normal weight, I would say 4lbs. I really appreciate all the advice given here. |
The OP stated the bitch was already pregnant, so that means to me she is far enough along to see evidence...growing belly etc. I am fairly tough having bred so many years, but even I would not spay a bitch with pups 5 weeks or more...might do it before I knew..say 2 or 3 weeks...at this point if it was my bitch and the she was as close to 5 pounds as she is, I would go for it and live with my vet. If it is of any help, the only bitch I ever lost in whelping, 25 yrs ago was a very sturdy 7 1/2 pounder. I am not encouraging these types of breedings..but it is done..a few drinks was a joke...I am lucky enough to have nerves of steel in these situations...I hope her vet works with her. |
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How far along she is and why the vet advised against breeding her would weigh in any decision on spaying or carrying to term. Another factor would be a potentially high risk pregnancy/whelp and all that can result from that with an inexperienced breeder. |
I believe the vet said that she is due on 1/12. So its very close, she didn't start showing until last week, but at the time it just seemed her tummy was getting big from eating a lot. If we had known sooner that she was in fact pregnant I think we would've just spayed her, but since the dates coming soon it makes the decision a little harder. We are trying to consider all options that would end a good outcome for her well being whether if she is spayed or births. Our vet hasn't given us too much information and I think she wants to take x-rays at the next appointment before giving us definite advice on the way to go. |
the vet in an earlier post mentioned spaying her, is that not so? Why did you not do it then and there? This is a sad situation as you outlined it. It seems that you have not a whole lot of funds set by. Know that you might probably have to have a C section. How much does your vet charge for that? $1000 or more? Then there is the chance your bitch won't be able to nurse after C section. Are you prepared to care for the puppies 24/7 for 2 weeks or more? Whelping supplies you will need to get in if you decide to go ahead with this pregnancy. More $$ You will need to take time off work, even without a C section, can you afford to do that? Also there will be the cost of the pups shots and vetting, more $$ Then you should really health check throughly all the pups to help insure you don't pass heartache onto the next owners. If it is at all possible spay your bitch now. |
I am fully aware of the costs, I only found this out on Monday. You have to understand that it was a suggestion and a lot to take in in a matter of a day. We are leaning towards spaying her if possible but at the same time we have to find the money for it too and we are looking at our finances to see what we can do. We are applying for carecredit to help us with the situation. And we definitely don't want to jeopardize her health or in the event that she does have puppies their health either. |
This is a really scary situation you and your bitch are in. If she was only bred one time I wonder is just scheduling a section for her would be the safest thing for her. I have heard of 4 pound bitches free whelping but I'd be really worried, especially because you have no experience. If I were you I would find a toy dog breeder near you. I would look at national breed clubs for breeder referrals of other toy breeds if you can't find a Yorkie breeder. I bet you would find one to take pity on your bitch and help you. I am really worried for her. Stick around on this forum too. You can get valuable info here. |
this is a big deal and the reason is, you have a 5lb stud bred to a 4lb bitch and that means that those pups just mite be too big to be birthed and get stuck coming out. if that happens it could KILL your bitch. i'm not trying to freak you out here, but you need to be aware of this. also if those pups grow too big they can actually rupture her uterus and kill her from the inside. i know you didn't do this on purpose, but you were a very irresponsible pet owner and have now put your dog's life at stake here. i ask you to think about that now when it's not going to change your situation much but still think how much easier this would have been if only you had listened to the vet and spayed her then and took on the debt then. now you are in for more debt and maybe loose your dog over it. the person on here telling you to sell ur pups for good money and pay this all off is not someone i'd ever listen to, that's horrible advice to give someone in this situation. money isn't the issue here it's trying not to loose ur bitch. selling those pups for money is what a puppy mill or back yard breeder would do so don't think that at this point. i would actually consider giving those pups to good homes since they were not planned and you have nothing to show for their health and future. that's just my opinion though. as for the future of this whole situation, you are going to have to really do research. i'd find a yorkie breeder from YTCA and fast that can help you in the whelp so you don't loose your bitch, because you are in over your head now and i wouldn't trust anyone but an experienced breeder at this point, not even the vet, but if the vets all you've got at least use him to your fullest ability. you know what you did was wrong so you don't need preaching, but you do need to find someone to walk you through this so your baby survives it. and then spay and neuter those dogs and let this be a lesson to you and to all others what happens when you don't listen to the vet and spay/neuter. don't think that you know what to do, because at this point you'll never be able to research enough fast enough. just find someone that knows how to do this and ask them to be there during the whelp and help you. since it's your first whelp you just won't know what to do and you'll need them there. i wish you luck that your bitch lives through this and you make it out okay. this is exactly why we on YT constantly tell others if you cannot afford the vet do not go get a pet...if you don't have money to properly care for your animals you don't deserve them and that's a fact! |
If you had asked my advise before the breeding I would tell you something totally different...BUT your bitch is close to whelping..so my advise is...allow her to have this litter. Keep in close contact with your vet, relax, try not to act stressed out..it will scare your bitch....I have had a number of litters from smaller bitches and all went well..I have had a number of litters from smaller bitches that needed vet help. I have also needed the vet and a section with 6 and 7 pound girls..there is no way of knowing what Mother Nature will decide.. Perpare for the birth..read all you can on this forum and wait it out... You may call me day or night for advise during the whelping...561-732-5067.. Sometimes you just need input to calm a situation that is perfectly normal or advise to call the vet when and if...I wish you the best and your bitch... |
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I am not trying to cause trouble, but why scare people when the breeding is already done..encourage them to see it through with the best vet help possible... |
I don't want to add confusion to this, but I'd really like to know why the vet advised against her being bred. The reason 'could' be a game changer. From the posts by the OP, she is at 5 weeks.....whatever decision is made cannot be put off. It's those last 3 weeks when the pups do most of their growing....and that growth can put a tremendous drain on the Mom. If there's a medical issue on why she shouldn't be bred, should she go through that? IDK, the reason hasn't been posted. I do tend to think that many vets see nothing wrong with breeding small girls and that this vet's reason isn't to do with size. She is a very small girl.....not 4 and something pounds, but 4 pounds with a 'possible' medical issue and an inexperienced breeder. The OP is 'considering' spay, but brings the money up again. All in all, not a good situation. My posts are based on fear and worry for this girl's Yorkie. There was just one this week where the litter came just shy of 8 weeks due to eclampsia...the whole litter died and last that was posted, the Mom is still at the vet's. Mishe, can you tell us why the vet advised against breeding her? |
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I want to post the reminder that the vet advised against breeding her in the first place and, as recently as yesterday, discussed spaying with the OP. None of us are privy to that conversation, but advising her to carry on with the litter is going against the advice of a vet that has physically seen this girl. Online advice should never be considered before your vet's advice. |
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I am currently trying to search around for breeders around my area how could help me or give me more advice on the way to go. As for the vets reason, she didn't really say anything medically except for the fact that she was small with a possibility of a c-section. She has no medical issues and is perfectly healthy, as for the stud, she reccomended not to breed because he has a very mild luxating patellas and did not want to pass the genes, which I agree with her. Those were her only reasons. I will definitely ask one of the vet techs, I never thought of that. We also have an emergency vet hospital which our vet reccomended that very close to us. The issue with spaying before I wanted to note was that our vet is charging around 900 for a spay, and didn't mention about another alternative of going to the animal shelter (which would be cheaper) until we saw her when we found out Panini was pregnant. If we had known we could have gone there we would have. |
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I'll end my participation on this by wishing Mishe the best of luck, whatever the decision. I think it was posted before, but here's a link with some good info. I have the link set to the page with possible complications, but there is much good info throughout the site. Canine Reproduction Video and Book on Breeding and Whelping dogs by Debbie Jensen for dog breeders and Whelping trouble. Again, best of luck. |
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