Amazed

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

(1) Would the same outrage be shown if this was not a member? Well more than likely no, if this was just some random Joe they would not have been able to come on here to defend themselves. So it is found out that she is a member does that give her a pass? No, but she came on to explain and changed her add not to mention that she is sick. So taking all that into consideration I feel that it could have been handled a little better.
(2) Just because someone does not post a lot does not mean that they don’t come on to read from time to time. It’s not unthinkable that she just happened to log in and see this thread .
(3) I see a lot of the times people will post “sorry to hear about that , but” it’s hard to feel like compassion is being shown when you have a stick behind your back.
(4) Do we know that this lady is actually sick? No, but we don’t know that she is not either. It’s easy to show love to our furry friends because they will always love us no questions asked. Animals have a simple honesty....they remind you of how life is without all the complications! Why is it so hard to show that love to our fellow man? Man is complicated, flawed and hard to love at times but we must try to show compassion.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

Well, if it's just ANY ad, you don't know if the poster is really ill. You naturally assume the worst, that they are lying. That's fine. However, when it's a long time member, and you find out that the poster is TRULY ill and that she didn't mean it to sound the way it did. Yet, no apology made? THAT'S LUDICROUS AND RUDE! We all make mistakes...Sugar's mom made a mistake by not clarifying in her ad, and Megansmomma made a mistake with her assumptions as it turns out that the poster is TRULY ill and that she ISN'T selling the pup at 5 weeks old. She did say "deposit to hold" at the end, then Megansmomma tried to start another fuss by mentioning about "pet price" and ignores the sentence before that phrase...Ignorance to me...I guess...that's why they say "ignorance is bliss".

Caring about the breed is one things, but taking it to the level that you had taken it...that's another issue. If you truly care about the breed...why don't you get off the forum and take action to help rescue many yorkies that need help?? Instead of bashing people on YT, how immature.

She is involved with rescue and has been involved with many rescue attempts on here. Maybe just maybe that is why she has such strong convictions because of the things she sees everyday that the rest of us take for granted

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I asked it in the other thread, and I am asking it here again: Would you all feel the same outrage towards megansmomma if the poster of the ad had NOT been a member of YT? I don't think so.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

No one seems to want to answer your question?

[abbey46923]

Someone has asked for help in the "Sick and Injured" section about a runt puppy not eating (yesterday), not one person has posted to help them with their baby.

I guess it is more important to continue with all the bashing and argueing going on in this post, good gosh isn't 4/5 pages enough to beat someone up when they are already down. Leave her alone, she's human and made a mistake.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

No one seems to want to answer your question?

No one answered mine either. Since you're here now and you are one that has said it a few times...."there are those that care and those that make money from their Yorkies", maybe you will answer my question.

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by chachi

She is involved with rescue and has been involved with many rescue attempts on here. Maybe just maybe that is why she has such strong convictions because of the things she sees everyday that the rest of us take for granted

Good to know, but that still doesn't give her the permission to treat others the way she did.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

No one answered mine either. Since you're here now and you are one that has said it a few times...."there are those that care and those that make money from their Yorkies", maybe you will answer my question.

This was my entire post, and my exact quote: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3360982-post6.html

the harsh comments are usually to long time members who should know better, but still to act for their own betterment, not the dogs.

For newbies, we are very welcoming, unless someone is here purely to rile us up or back up an obviously bad breeder. I for one will not play nice to types like that.

I haven't been on YT that long. I do feel there has been a change, but a change for the better. People are no longer afraid to speak out against breeding practices they think disreputable, etc instead of just everyone playing nice. How would we learn?

Yes I do see groups on here, or cliques as some have called them. I see at least two. One group cares for dogs and doesn't make money selling them, and another group who does.

Anyway, the other thread was closed for a reason. So i shouldn't even be commenting. Oh well.

Did I say you specifically? Why did you think I meant you? maybe I do mean you, maybe I don't. I didn't name names. Perhaps those who got defensive have had their breeding ethics questioned before?

What was your question again? I will go back and look since you didn't quote yourself.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

No one answered mine either. Since you're here now and you are one that has said it a few times...."there are those that care and those that make money from their Yorkies", maybe you will answer my question.

Well Tammy I will answer your question I dont think you are breeding just because you want to make money. I think you are breeding because you love partis and want to encourage the growth of the partis lineage. I never get involved with parti or biewer threads because One I dont understand enough also even though I believe in the yorkie standard I feel p[artis and biewers both have thir place in yorkie ancestory. It Just hasnt been accepted by the parent club yet but who knows what the future holds for partis and biewers

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

This was my entire post, and my exact quote: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3360982-post6.html


Did I say you specifically? Why did you think I meant you? maybe I do mean you, maybe I don't. I didn't name names. Perhaps those who got defensive have had their breeding ethics questioned before?

What was your question again? I will go back and look since you didn't quote yourself.

I don't really care if you are talking about me or not. I was point-blank asking what do you feel about the ethics of the buyer? You can't have it both ways.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by chachi

Well Tammy I will answer your question I dont think you are breeding just because you want to make money. I think you are breeding because you love partis and want to encourage the growth of the partis lineage. I never get involved with parti or biewer threads because One I dont understand enough also even though I believe in the yorkie standard I feel p[artis and biewers both have thir place in yorkie ancestory. It Just hasnt been accepted by the parent club yet but who knows what the future holds for partis and biewers

Thank you for writing this. As for breeding...I bred Livi twice and now she is scheduled to be spayed this month. My heart is not in it and I have been led to help with rescues.

I do appreciate you writing this, though.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I ask why was the ad posted in the first place? There are hundreds of ads promoting the sales of young puppies on the internet. Why was this one chosen to bring into YT. Why isn't someone posting all the ads found on the net? All one has to do is look and you can find all sorts of people selling 5 and 6 weeks old puppies. Where are all these ads posted at on here?
It seems to me that ad was singled out.
I don't condone selling puppies 5 or 6 weeks old, but taking a deposit does not mean you are selling it at that given moment.

Should ALL ads be off limits here at YT? The original ad she was sent had a lot of the red flags that we REPEATEDLY tell buyers to be on the look out for:

Puppy Find
Sick breeder
Under aged pup up for sale (yes, she said Deposit for Hold, but we have all seen that this time of year means "I'll hold till Christmas"
Limited registration unless she's "comfortable with other arrangements"

Sorry, but I stand behind my belief that you wouldn't all be getting up in arms if it were someone other than a YT member. A double standard exists here. It's fine to call out questionable practices on someone, unless they are a member. Than we are all supposed to stand by and say "Oh, it's OK..."

Since the ad didn't give a name, much less a YT screen name, there was no way she could have knowingly "singled out" a particular poster. And if you truly believe that YT members should be exempt from having a questionable practice pointed out, then you haven't read very many of the "for sale" ads here lately.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

If you question the ethics of the breeders that you are saying, "birds of a feather", are you also questioning the ethics of the buyer of the puppies?? It's more than fair to assume that you lumped me into the breeder category. Since it has been justified saying that there are 2 groups here...."one that cares about the breed and one that makes money off of their Yorkies".

Just curious...if you say this about me, as a breeder, what are you saying about the people that own my puppies?

I'm assuming you mean this quote? I don't think anyone questions the buyers' ethics, why are you bringing that up? birds of a feather quote means all the same types of breeders always stick together, whatever type of breeder they are.

Most buyers who buy from the worst breeders most of the time are uneducated about bybs and/or puppymills. (general statement, don't anyone twist my words to look like I said Tammy was the worst breeder) I think they are just that uneducated, not unethical. However, since you asked, you want to know what me or others think of your buyers? I think that is a loaded question bc of the fact you breed partis (biewers too? I'm not sure, but your avatar says parti time, so obviously you breed partis.) Are you trying to get the parti discussion out again? Questioning the buyers who want partis or off standard colors? I don't know what you charge, but I see partis and off colors go for much more than yorkies within standard. People like to have something "rare" and don't care if it's not within standard or not. this makes me believe they are willing to pay more. Now a breeder who breeds off colors I'm sure knows this too, will they still sell below what the market will bear bc they think they are a reputable breeder as to try to not make money off their hobby?

Another question, I guess this can be to all breeders who breed not standard colors? why do you breed? I think it's fair to say that we will not see the AKC change their stance on the off colors in our lifetime, so why do it? For the future of the yorkie breed? perhaps sometime in the future they may or may not include the off colors? Make me understand, i am from the standpoint of someone who works with rescue, so make me understand why you breed.

[DamSweet]

I feel that entire thread just got out of control. Megansmama had every right to question the ad by the way it was written. Sugars Mom came on - read the thread, made the corrections - mentioned that she had been ill. A "Thanks for bringing it to my attention" and an "I'm sorry your sick" was all that was needed.
I know her ad said "Limited registration" unless she is very comfortable doing otherwise. I for one think it's very hard to know what exactly was meant by that. I would assume that if I wanted to adopt it would definately be "Limited", however maybe if someone she knew as a "reputable" breeder were interested, it may be different - and maybe a "reputable breeder" wouldn't be interested in this puppy - I'm just sayin'. It's been posted that back in July Sugars Mom was having financial problem - one would have to wonder if all the needed tests been done on this baby? I'm not a breeder but I'm sure that those who are have several questions about this puppy being offered at this age as a possible addition to a program.

The thread read less than compassionate - and I do feel sorry for Dee for that - and at first I kept thinking "why are they giving her such a hard time, after all - she's a long time YT member" I felt she needed to be given the benefit of the doubt. But if there is one thing I've learned on here - the length of time you are a member means nothing. It's the name you've made for yourself while you've been here. The number of posts you have as impressive as the numbers look - mean nothing - It's then information that you put out there for others. I have over 1000 posts and have been here nearly a year - and I don't know squat about how to help someone with a sick puppy, or breeding. But I've learned how to look for a reputable breeder, how to address my babys aggression, and how to "try" to potty train. I've learned from the passionate members on here that often times there are things going on "beind the scenes" that I don't know about - so I've chosen to not comment (much). My favorite prayer:

Dear Lord - Put your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth!

It's the holiday season - we need to show some compassion for those that are sick - or have family members that are ill - understanding for those trying to look out for the babies out there that may be in bad situations, and sympathy for those who have recently lost babies...some to the "Rainbow Bridge" and others just don't know. There are people out there who would really appreciate the time spent on kind words rather than the time spent bashing each other. Better to go offer a hug to someone than to point a finger.

Bridget, Greta and I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a wonderful Holiday Season.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

Good to know, but that still doesn't give her the permission to treat others the way she did.

Oh yes Megansmomma is a real savior of animals...and not just yorkies. She has assisted YT members too who have found themselves in a bind. Even people who are hates of Jodi seem to contact her when they find themselves in need...and she goes, no questions asked.

The same is true of LadyJane - just last week she pulled a little cutie out of a kill shelter who was found roaming the streets of Houston. She has also reunited families with their lost yorkies.

The problem with this isn't megansmomma -- it's Sugar's Mom who posted a for sale ad of a 5-week old puppy that as JeannieK pointed out didnt even have teeth yet! And Jodi never even mentioned Sugar's Mom, it was Sugar's mom who came on here and gave her own confession. But when I started reading her history and learning what she did to Renee, I think that it is a good thing that Sugar's Mom came on here and blew off her own foot because BUYER BEWARE!!

It's hard to trust anyone these days. I'm glad this issue came up. I'm sorry that Megansmomma is being crucified for it, but I'm glad she saved her friend from buying this puppy!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I don't really care if you are talking about me or not. I was point-blank asking what do you feel about the ethics of the buyer? You can't have it both ways.

See my post above. What do you mean I can't have it both ways? the buyer is the buyer, not the breeder. unless you sell your puppies on full registration?