Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3254653)

That's interesting, I didn't know that. Now here I am thinking, there's fresh goat's milk? LOL

Originally Posted by Barbi1977 (Post 3254039)

"There is a recipe somewhere for whelping pudding.

You vets advice is probably good but generic. If one of the breeders on here gives you a recipe, I would go with that. Your vet knows dogs, They know yorkies. I have heard evaporated goats milk is better than evaporated cows milk. "

We tried the whelping mix.. but the goats milk did not sit well on Abby's stomach which is why we changed it to the evaporated.

Originally Posted by Barbi1977 (Post 3255516)

just checking in. Everyone is doing really well. Mom is all perky and seems back to herself, and is taking very nice care of the pups, keeping them clean, laying with them without being placed to do so.

They all go to the vet on Monday for weigh checks, tail docketing will post weights on all when we get back.

Originally Posted by Barbi1977 (Post 3255516)

just checking in. Everyone is doing really well. Mom is all perky and seems back to herself, and is taking very nice care of the pups, keeping them clean, laying with them without being placed to do so.

They all go to the vet on Monday for weigh checks, tail docketing will post weights on all when we get back.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3255530)

I'm surprised that your vet will do them at day 5. Mine says day 3 or 4.

I'm glad that Momma is taking good care of them.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3255530)

I'm surprised that your vet will do them at day 5. Mine says day 3 or 4.

I'm glad that Momma is taking good care of them.

Originally Posted by Barbi1977 (Post 3253900)

wow... you guys. I wish the mod would aprrove my post!

1. she was not bred on freaking purpose! I did NOT want her bred until she was at least 2-3 years old.

2. Everyone went to vet today and i was informed the nurse wrote down and gave me the wrong weight on abby. she is almost 5 pounds

3. mom IS on a diet that I RESEARCHED HERE

4 Abby has been going to the vet very regularly since we discovered her PG

5. We DID take all procautions for her heat other than kick Bailey out of the house... again THIS WAS NOT PLANNED!!

Thanks for asking... Puppies are doing Awesome. vet says they are gaining great weight and was very happy to see the mixure diet that I have her on.

anyways, I am truly sorry i posted here. Be protective is great... being like this is simply shameful. Had i NOT been concerned had I NOT been worried had I NOT given a Sh*t I would not already have a HUGE vet bill, have the vets home number, spent more time at the vets in the last 2 months than most do in 3 years.... but nothing I say is going to make any of you understand nor change your thoughts... it is what it is... we had unplanned pupps, and did the BEST we could with the Situation.

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 3255621)

Tails can be docked 20 min after puppies are born or from day 2 to day 7 depending on the situation, between days 2 and 5 ideal to do tails and dewclaws.
It varies from the preference of who is doing it.
After day 10 it should not be done as it may cause damage to the peripheral nerves on the vertebrae, but still can be done with the help of rubber bands ( not that i recommend it ) , it is a painful process that can take up to 7 days .
If all is well there is no point on not doing it on the right days it can safely be done.
XOXO

Originally Posted by Barbi1977 (Post 3254039)

"There is a recipe somewhere for whelping pudding.

You vets advice is probably good but generic. If one of the breeders on here gives you a recipe, I would go with that. Your vet knows dogs, They know yorkies. I have heard evaporated goats milk is better than evaporated cows milk. "

We tried the whelping mix.. but the goats milk did not sit well on Abby's stomach which is why we changed it to the evaporated.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3255698)

This seems barbaric to me and it is beyond me why you would even bring something like this up :eek: Do you really think that she needed to be told this after having a 2.4 lb 11 month old puppy having puppies? OMG! She might decided to go this route now! :facepalm:

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3255722)

I agree. Although, there are vets that have docked tails on older dogs. But, it's performed with a laser, with no damage to vertebrae.

Also, what hasn't been mentioned here is that pups shouldn't have their tails/dew claws removed unless the pup is close to 7 ounces. This has to do with their ability to adequately maintain their blood sugar levels.

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3255554)

Mine says day three. But other vets, I have heard can take up to five.

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3255549)

I can't read through this. This is not an accident, it's intentionally being cruel to a helpless innocent tiny little girl. They are not stuffed animals!

Have any of them died? Where did the parents come from?

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3255734)

I am so glad that you were able to clear up any confusion about the proper methods of docking tails. I'm still shocked that rubber bands were even suggested as a method to dock.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3255734)

I am so glad that you were able to clear up any confusion about the proper methods of docking tails. I'm still shocked that rubber bands were even suggested as a method to dock.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3255744)

That as an extremely old fashioned barbaric way of doing it. As well as unsanitary, infection can set in, leading to complications. Geez, it amazes me what people will recommend on here.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3255722)

I agree. Although, there are vets that have docked tails on older dogs. But, it's performed with a laser, with no damage to vertebrae.

Also, what hasn't been mentioned here is that pups shouldn't have their tails/dew claws removed unless the pup is close to 7 ounces. This has to do with their ability to adequantely maintain their blood sugar levels.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3255737)

3 to 5 days, depending on the weight of the pups. That's the deciding factor. However, if there is a premature litter, it can be done up to 7 days.

Originally Posted by MadDeDo (Post 3253237)

I am confused? On May 30th of this year you said she was only 9 months:




Wouldn't that make her 11.5 to 12 months old currently?


2.4 lbs is awfully small, I'm sure you're rolling your eyes at the computer screen right now and ignoring what everyone is saying, but seriously you could have lost your little girl very easily. 2.4 lbs is really too small EVEN for a pet, let alone a breeding female. I also have a spayed 3 lber and she is so fragile and just tiny overall. I would have never considered breeding her, I love her too much to risk losing her over a couple of puppies. It was not worth it to me. :(

Also if she is that upset about being a mother she is better off being spayed anyways. There's a good chance she will be the same way if you bred her again, and next time she may need a c-section and you will be out even more money for vet bills and probably lose one or more pups as well. I finally bred one of my 5 lb girls on her 2nd heat at 2 years old this spring. She had one surviving pup and she was scared to death of him at first and I finally got her to calm down enough to let him nurse, and she cleaned him and went to sleep. I was laying on the couch beside her and I closed my eyes for a few minutes. I was startled awake by her shaking him in her mouth. I quickly got him out and worked on him, but it was too late. It wasn't her fault, it was mine. As soon as mom's milk dried up I had her spayed. She is now in a pet home and doing absolutely wonderful. I did not want to put her through that experience again. Some females, even those who are the right age and size, are just not cut out to be mothers.

I hope you will really think about all this and not just ignore what is being said. Please listen to your little girl and look at how much stress she is under. Is it worth it for her to have to go through it again?

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3255738)

You should have read through it, we're beyond the whippings.

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3252264)

My God, she is small. No wonder she had to have a c-section. What on earth possessed you to breed such a small baby? And I do say baby because 15 months is too young, even in a normal sized girl.

Sorry, but everything about this is animal cruelty in my book. :mad:

Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3255955)

Just out of curiosity, what is the best age for a Yorkie to be bred (first time)? I thought I read somewhere here that if they haven't been bred by age 3 (first time) then one shouldn't breed them, if they shouldn't be bred by 15 months then it seems like a very narrow time span to "catch" a heat during that time frame...but the age 3 I may have misread or imagined it!!!

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3255698)

This seems barbaric to me and it is beyond me why you would even bring something like this up :eek: Do you really think that she needed to be told this after having a 2.4 lb 11 month old puppy having puppies? OMG! She might decided to go this route now! :facepalm:

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3255744)

That as an extremely old fashioned barbaric way of doing it. As well as unsanitary, infection can set in, leading to complications. Geez, it amazes me what people will recommend on here.

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 3256916)

Well, It is clear by what i posted that i do not agree with it... I think more barbaric than saying and letting the OP know it is barbaric is pretend that we do not know it is largely practiced among many unscrupulous people and let the OP think it is ok ... Goat breeders do it all the time , and i know it is still largelly practiced among many dog millers , just as well as most breeders here knows.
So before judging , just read it through .
I am trying to help, not to get in the middle of any judgment here , which has lately been the route of some members. But i do not appreciate the bad comment anyways.
If nobody tells her it can be done, but should not be done this way ... how could she know? Huh?
XOXO

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3255865)

Do you wait until they are 7 ounces??? Not being critical, just asking? My vet would never wait that long. he wants them at 3 or 4 days, no sooner, no later.

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3256929)

I don't agree that it is largely still practiced, even in mills. I've seen a video of what was very clearly a miller her was not doing this. I've never seen or heard of anyone doing this. NEVER. Nobody has ever brought it up to me. Never!They still pull teeth without numbing too, but not in modern medicine.