I am confused? On May 30th of this year you said she was only 9 months:


Wouldn't that make her 11.5 to 12 months old currently?


2.4 lbs is awfully small, I'm sure you're rolling your eyes at the computer screen right now and ignoring what everyone is saying, but seriously you could have lost your little girl very easily. 2.4 lbs is really too small EVEN for a pet, let alone a breeding female. I also have a spayed 3 lber and she is so fragile and just tiny overall. I would have never considered breeding her, I love her too much to risk losing her over a couple of puppies. It was not worth it to me. :(

Also if she is that upset about being a mother she is better off being spayed anyways. There's a good chance she will be the same way if you bred her again, and next time she may need a c-section and you will be out even more money for vet bills and probably lose one or more pups as well. I finally bred one of my 5 lb girls on her 2nd heat at 2 years old this spring. She had one surviving pup and she was scared to death of him at first and I finally got her to calm down enough to let him nurse, and she cleaned him and went to sleep. I was laying on the couch beside her and I closed my eyes for a few minutes. I was startled awake by her shaking him in her mouth. I quickly got him out and worked on him, but it was too late. It wasn't her fault, it was mine. As soon as mom's milk dried up I had her spayed. She is now in a pet home and doing absolutely wonderful. I did not want to put her through that experience again. Some females, even those who are the right age and size, are just not cut out to be mothers.

I hope you will really think about all this and not just ignore what is being said. Please listen to your little girl and look at how much stress she is under. Is it worth it for her to have to go through it again?

OP you should have educated yourself prior to breeding.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...t-breeder.html

Well now we know, all the humping is because the girl was in heat.

I knew by looking at the picture that lil mommy was just a puppy, bred her at 9 mos on her first heat:eek: and now has puppies and she isn't even a year old...you can tell by the picture she is scared and wants nothing to do with the pups...sad very sad:(

That poor little girl, I can't understand putting her through this. She is just to little. Why?

She wasn't even done growing. It's like an 11 year old girl getting pregnant.

OP, how is your girl and the puppies doing today? I hope they are all well.

Your Abby was born 9-27-09, so she was bred on her first heat while still a PUPPY her self? :(:(:(:(:(:( Heartbreaking that people do this to these tiny babies! Would you let your daughter get pregnant at 13? Sheesh
And she was only 2.4 lbs :eek:

Sorry I cannot contain my anger and hurt for this precious little girl who was FORCED to have babies that she had no choice. :(:(
Stopping now before I say more :mad:

First off, I have read all your thoughts and opinions. I could explain many things but... I wont waste my time in doing so since it is very apparent they wont matter.

Abby and the pups are doing very well. Stopped by the vet for a check up on all and Abby weighted in at 4.7 pounds (Nurse gave me wrong weight on her yesterday.....see one of those things i could explain)
Baby boy 1 weighed in at 4.2 ounces Baby boys 2 weighed in at 3.5 ounces and baby girl at 5 ounces.

Mom is on the diet i "RESEARCHED" on her Offer during and immediately after whelp, when all has settled down:

1. Can of [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]Goats [COLOR=green !important]Milk[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]
2. Equal Parts of Distilled Water
3. Egg Yolk well beaten
4. 1 Tablespoon of Light Karo [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]Syrup[/COLOR][/COLOR].

and she has been since we discovered she was PG. (AGAIN ONE OF THOSE THINGS I COULD EXPLAIN)

just for my benefit of not seeming like a person whom doesnt care, didnt research etc.. we did, this was 2000000% unplanned. and yes we took many precautions, other than removing Bailey from the house.

Here's an idea. Get her spayed.

That poor thing, this thread is absolutely heartbreaking. How anyone can think breeding a 2.4 pounder is beyond me!

OP I hope you are reading, I see you are online now. Do you realize how extremely lucky your baby was that she survived?

So far she's survived. The first week is the most crucial for the pups. The most dangerous time for the the dam is 1 week to 6 weeks after the whelp.

This situation is beyond sad, and I'll say it again "ANIMAL CRUELTY". Intentionally breeding a tiny before her first BD.

It appears that selfish desires came above anything else.

I have posted and for what ever reason it said Mod must approve.... but until it post....

i'm still in shock i had a lil one she was 2 pounds she was 11 years old when she passed and i still can't see anyone breeding one that lil
heck my vet would not even spay her and he would have killed me if she had ever had babies

i have went back again & again and looked at her pictures and still in SHOCK

I don't understand your logic in breeding this girl.

How could you????? Why would you?? :confused:

Does it make you feel good that a world of yorkie lovers are more worried than you about your little girl???

If she were a human, you would be arrested for child abuse allowing a pregnancy to begin in a mere child.....you should be ashamed:(

wow... you guys. I wish the mod would aprrove my post!

1. she was not bred on freaking purpose! I did NOT want her bred until she was at least 2-3 years old.

2. Everyone went to vet today and i was informed the nurse wrote down and gave me the wrong weight on abby. she is almost 5 pounds

3. mom IS on a diet that I RESEARCHED HERE

4 Abby has been going to the vet very regularly since we discovered her PG

5. We DID take all procautions for her heat other than kick Bailey out of the house... again THIS WAS NOT PLANNED!!

Thanks for asking... Puppies are doing Awesome. vet says they are gaining great weight and was very happy to see the mixure diet that I have her on.

anyways, I am truly sorry i posted here. Be protective is great... being like this is simply shameful. Had i NOT been concerned had I NOT been worried had I NOT given a Sh*t I would not already have a HUGE vet bill, have the vets home number, spent more time at the vets in the last 2 months than most do in 3 years.... but nothing I say is going to make any of you understand nor change your thoughts... it is what it is... we had unplanned pupps, and did the BEST we could with the Situation.

wow! Her puppies must be pretty large then. By the picture you posted, if she were 5 lbs, the pups (assuming they are 4 to 6 oz's), would look a lot smaller against her tummy :confused:

This is what you said back in May:
" Per the neutered and spayed we are planning to breed Abby and Bailey, which is why nether are fixed. I breed mastiffs for a long time, until I completely fell in love with Yorkies, and after losing both our mastiffs in the last 3 years, we finally decided to bring yorkies into our life."

It sounds like having bred Mastiffs, you would know to keep un-neutered males away from female in heat if not ready to be bred. All that humping? A breeder knows right?

Please don't call everyone here shameful, and try to turn this around on us. Every one here truly CARES about these precious little beings and reacts because of that love.
The fact remains a very tiny girl was bred and was PLANNED to be bred. Good luck with her, please spay her when she has finished raising these puppies, if she finishes raising them. She deserves to live a life free from pain and pressure and risks of death due to having to whelp puppies she is too small too carry.

Yes, we did plan on breeding... but no where in that statement readsthat i wanted it NOW!

Yes I am aware of what to do while in heat.. we did that. we did the belly bandson BOTH, we placed their kennels in seperate rooms. I am not "turning this" I am simply saying You all are treating this as if I stuck them in a cage together and said whoohoo have puppies. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL!

Again. she is not as small as stated. She was 7.03 before surgery and 5.04 ( believe was the ounces... She LOST 2.05 ounces......

Forgive me for receiving the wrong numbers from the vet nurse and posting them.........

Please keep in close contact with your vet and don't leave your little girl alone at all for the next several weeks! Watch her closely and hopefully she and babies will come out of this ok.
How much do the babies weigh?

Math + Logic = Story Fail
 

So you're telling me that she was only 5.2 pounds minutes before C-section, but expect me to believe that she was almost 5 pounds herself? Serioulsy? All that fluid and three pups only weighed 3.2 ounces? I'm pretty sure even on the small end of small a newborn puppy weighs approx. 2.5oz. EACH. That is total math fail. I'm smelling a turn around story, but that's just me. ::shrug::

Unless you're claiming that the nurse wrote EVERYTHING down wrong and in that case your vet needs to get a new nurse.

With the weights you posted and seeing them next to her, it is veeeery difficult to believe she is over 3 lbs :(

Size of the pups against the mom just proves there is no way she is 5 pounds.

Still math and logic fail...
 

Now this math may be better for the pups if it was in pounds. If your dog weighed 7.03 ounces prior to surgery she would definitely have been too small to breed :P

Now, assuming she weighed 7.03 POUNDS prior to and 5.04 pounds after the surgery (which is far more logical). She lost 31.84 ounces or 1.99 pounds.

Is it normal for a mum to lose that much weight after birth? I'll have to defer to the actual breeders here since I have no idea what the answer is, so I can't make a judgment call on the new magically produced numbers' validity.

Awh and you are a former large breed breeder. ??? UMM would belly bands work on the large breeds?????

Awh isn 't that a funny picture, eh. Get real. You know the only way to prevent breeding is to keep all males and in heat females separate. And with large breeds you better be concerned with that. I've had males chew through metal crates to get to a female.


Ounces??? 7.5 a half a pound. I think you are stressed and not posting too well.

No this girl was too young and too light to be bred. You a self confessed breeder didn t know enough to separate an in heat bitch from studs.

Shame on you..

I am still aghast you thought bloody belly bands were contraceptives??? Where was your bloody research???

Yeah
 

I'd have to agree with this. Comparatively, the pups are looking pretty big in that picture.

Correction I just reread your post, and you say you separated them with crates et al.. Um then why were belly bands necessary? If they were in their crates separated by 4 walls and two doors?

She was 7.03 before surgery and 5.04 ( believe was the ounces... She LOST 2.05 POUNDS (*CORRECTION*)

To answer the questions: we have 1 pup a little over 3 ounces, one a little over 4 ounces, and one at 5 ounces.

No, apparently you didn't since she ended up with a litter. As far as doing 'what was best for the situation,' that would have been having her spayed as soon as you realized she tied, not risking her life. :thumbdown You did 'what you wanted', not 'what was best.' What is done is done...no amount of excuses are going to change that. :( As far as members here being 'protective'--most see that as a POSITIVE thing. I'm glad to see that not everyone has a total disregard for the health and well being of these little dogs.

Convenient another oops! Precautions, were not taken or didn't how to take them. Oops, are usually caused by irresponsible owners.

If you really had your girl's welfare at heart the moment she was bred, she should have been spayed.

Amazing that whenever one of these horrendous acts are committed the OP always attempts to turn the table.

again, looking at the pics you posted.... either she must be the heaviest most solid dog in the world and those pups must be filled with helium for them to weight what you say, or......

On another note, it doesn't matter what the nurse--or VET TECH, in this case--told you she weighed. It's not the tech's responsibility to know how big YOUR dog is. That is something YOU should have been aware of as the owner with a bred female on your hands...not something you should sit around and wait on the vet to tell you.