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07-19-2010, 09:23 AM | #1 |
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| Neutered dog tying with bitch in heat Toby Is neutered and maisie is in heat. They have tied twice today and took ages to separate both looking very uncomfortable as if they were stuck. Is there any harm in this or should I keep them separated while they are unsupervised? Worried about them injuring each other. |
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07-19-2010, 09:25 AM | #2 |
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| You should keep them separated, they could get injured
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07-19-2010, 09:26 AM | #3 |
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| You should separate them. If she runs and they're still locked together, that can seriously hurt your male.
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07-19-2010, 09:35 AM | #4 | |
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They should be seperate at all times until heat cycle has been completed
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07-19-2010, 09:52 AM | #5 |
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| It could also result in Maisie having a false pregnancy. |
07-19-2010, 11:13 AM | #7 | |
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07-19-2010, 11:39 AM | #8 |
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| Never in my life, have I heard of a neutered male tying w/a female dog, in heat!!! I think I'd be having some serious discussions w/the vet that did the operation on the male...I, surely, don't know everything, but this one has gob-smacked me? I'll be watchin this post, to see what transpires... |
07-19-2010, 11:58 AM | #9 |
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| Well toby is booked in at vets tomorrow for a teeth cleaning so I will be bringing this up. He did have a retained testicle but it was almost down so they were able to find it. They didn't mention any problems at the time of the op. I have had a google and apparenly it's not uncommon for a neutered male to tie. They can still produce testosterone but in smaller doses and have less urges. Still has me very nervous though. We have put a diaper/nappy on maisie now. |
07-19-2010, 12:23 PM | #10 |
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| Beau was neutered in June at 6 months and still humps his bed like crazy!! I really thought this would have stopped with the neuter. |
07-19-2010, 01:55 PM | #11 |
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| I have heard of neutered dogs tying with females in heat. Usually it's a dog who was used as a stud prior to being neutered. It does happen but yes, I would definitely separate them. One of them could get hurt. |
07-19-2010, 02:07 PM | #12 |
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| toby wasn't a stud. He was neutered at 9 months and is now 16 months. Maisie is 10 months and her first heat, day 13 and this is the first day he has taken any real interest. |
07-19-2010, 03:00 PM | #13 |
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| It's completely possible for a neutered male to tie with a female and not at all uncommon for them to attempt it and succeed. Ties are caused by swelling of the male's bulbus glandis, which is not altered or removed during a neuter. To answer your question, YES, although it is not possible for them to produce a litter, it is still extremely dangerous to allow a tie to occur and YES, it could result in a injury for one or both of them. They should be kept separated when unsupervised while she is in heat and he is showing interest in her. |
07-20-2010, 07:17 PM | #14 |
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| my thinking is the male was not "totally Neutered" if he had a retained test--then the one up in the belly is producing hormones making him capable of the tie--every neutered male I've ever seen is totally unaware of females--most done early squat to pee---I think the male was not properly fixed !!! And if he wasn't then he could posibly produce pups---the only thing that might prevent it is the temp in the belly is to warm and may kill any sperm---but I'd mark the breeding down and in 60 to 65 days we will SEE IF HE IS FERTILE---hopefully he isn't |
07-20-2010, 07:21 PM | #15 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | Even with both testes removed, the body still produces some testosterone in the adrenal glands. So the drive is still there, just not as strong.
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