Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Maybe the YTCA does need to change some standards instead of staying close minded. As it stands the Yorkie certainly isn't doing any winning in best in show at Westminster, How long has it been?
IMO Because they dont have that look that just pops, The Partis on the other hand do turn heads.

You dont think a beautiful standard yorkie turns heads??? I hate to tell you this some of us prefer the look of the standard yorkies over the partis

[Breezeaway]

I plan on showing After August, right now my job prevents me from traveling and the shows are pretty far away.
My job will be over in August. Then I can devote to showing.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by gemy

Look for well-filled forechests; hollow, narrow forechests revealed in front legs that do not allow you to easily get a hand comfortably between them is a serious fault

A handspan varies widely from person to person. Is there a more precise analogy that could be used.

I think the illustration farther down the page (that of the foreleg/front assembly) is more revealing than the explanation. The spring of the chest will affect the stance and gait of the dog and will show at the front. I've heard the term 'well sprung rib' used before, too. I take it to mean not a barrel chest but not a narrow chest either.

I realize this site is one person's opinion, but feel it's helpful for those trying to do an evaluation of their dogs, or a dog they may be considering, from a judge's perspective.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by chachi

You dont think a beautiful standard yorkie turns heads??? I hate to tell you this some of us prefer the look of the standard yorkies over the partis

I personally do not like the look of the parti or Beiwer either. According to reports from the Biewer group that did DNA testing to find out the genetics of the Biewer, it was found there is very little Yorkie genes in them. They are the result ofgetting a mix in there. You think that didn't happen in the partis? Guess again!
YTCA doesn't want to change the standard to allow partis because they aren't yorkies and do not fit the breed standard for colour.
Call them something else and go through all the work,money, years, dedication it takes to have a new breed recognized. That would not bother anyone instead of trying to ride on the tail of an established breed so you can market them for big bucks as rare.
Here in Canada, there was a problem with some wanting Merle chihuahuas recognized. The Chi club of Canada worked very hard to not only have them not in the show rings, it has just been passed taht a merle Chi cannot be registered regardless of the registration of sire and dam.
A reputable breeder of any purebred dog and their parent club will protect that breed all they possibly can.

[Breezeaway]

The Mars testing that was done on the Biewers was done by BTCA and we all know that they obviously had mixes so they could get into AKC as a separate breed. My partis were DNA'd and it came back 100% Yorkshire Terriers, The Parti's are Yorkshire Terriers no matter what YOU think.
They are DNA'd, And AKC registered. The Parti is also registered in Canada

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

According to reports from the Biewer group that did DNA testing to find out the genetics of the Biewer, it was found there is very little Yorkie genes in them. They are the result ofgetting a mix in there. You think that didn't happen in the partis? Guess again!
YTCA doesn't want to change the standard to allow partis because they aren't yorkies and do not fit the breed standard for colour.
Call them something else and go through all the work,money, years, dedication it takes to have a new breed recognized. That would not bother anyone instead of trying to ride on the tail of an established breed so you can market them for big bucks as rare.

I've seen this sentiment echoed on other forums. As for the AKC's DNA testing on the Partis, wouldn't that just prove parentage and say nothing about the breed purity of the dogs?

I think the bottom line is that a Yorkshire Terrier is a blue and tan/gold dog....period. Historical mentions of off-colored dogs and a registry's DNA profiling to prove parentage will not sway the parent club.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I think the illustration farther down the page (that of the foreleg/front assembly) is more revealing than the explanation. The spring of the chest will affect the stance and gait of the dog and will show at the front. I've heard the term 'well sprung rib' used before, too. I take it to mean not a barrel chest but not a narrow chest either.

I realize this site is one person's opinion, but feel it's helpful for those trying to do an evaluation of their dogs, or a dog they may be considering, from a judge's perspective.

thanks for your reply. I found this very informative, I do have a copy of the illustrated standard, I think though it was issued a long time ago. It is good to know what is being taught at judging seminars. I know when I participated doing ours, the one thing I was asked to do was share with the judges what the breed experts are looking for when they watch and share information ringside.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I've seen this sentiment echoed on other forums. As for the AKC's DNA testing on the Partis, wouldn't that just prove parentage and say nothing about the breed purity of the dogs?

I think the bottom line is that a Yorkshire Terrier is a blue and tan/gold dog....period. Historical mentions of off-colored dogs and a registry's DNA profiling to prove parentage will not sway the parent club.

That is a valid point And Question. Would love to see the reply.

[Breezeaway]

Mine were Mars tested and came back Yorkshire terrier, no mix. The BTCA biewers came back mixed breeds.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Mine were Mars tested and came back Yorkshire terrier, no mix. The BTCA biewers came back mixed breeds.

Can you scan and post the results?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

This bickering like old biddies is making my brain bleed, but I have a question for Elle: Have I not seen you on YT more than once referring puppy buyers to the web site, www.yorkies.com, for a breeder directory and information on specific breeders the owner of that site doesn't like? YTCEHB has an actual process with published rules and regulations and a committee for approving members, so how is that a bad thing in your mind? Does this not sound like a much safer and more reliable resource than a list assembled by one person acting alone?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-johnson.html

[Breezeaway]

Heres Nicholas' results

[chachi]

How come it only goes back 3 generations? Thanks for posting that

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Maybe the YTCA does need to change some standards instead of staying close minded. As it stands the Yorkie certainly isn't doing any winning in best in show at Westminster, How long has it been?
IMO Because they dont have that look that just pops, The Partis on the other hand do turn heads.

32 years ago. Cede Higgins. Has the chinese crested ever won? It pops. So does the old english sheepdog.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Elle

32 years ago. Cede Higgins. Has the chinese crested ever won? It pops. So does the old english sheepdog.

And many other breeds. Sporting dogs and the real flashy breeds are usually the ones in the BIS winners for Westminster.