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Tnyorkiemom 07-14-2010 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rik20101 (Post 3198729)
In my newbie opinion, this thread needs to be closed. All it is doing is pitting member against member.
i agree....but i think it has to be asked to be closed by the OP....not sure if she will come back on here to do that.

rik20101 07-14-2010 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by janetcerdas (Post 3198218)
I really don't think it's up to you to decide whether or not there are enough "yorkie-poos" out there. I also don't think it's any of your business whether or not she will charge for HER puppies.
I'm sorry, but I just cannot help myself...I have to respond to this. I mentioned her pricing for her pups because she said she was not in this for the money.

You are very rude to be honest. You have been more rude than any other person who has responded on this thread IMO. If it wasn't public business then it shouldn't have been posted on the internet.

I really don't think it is up to you to decide what is public domain and what isn't.

And with that, I am done with this thread....I have also added my very first YT member to my ignore list.

BamaFan121s 07-14-2010 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by janetcerdas (Post 3198723)
I really don't get why the word "sugar coat" keeps coming up because the op never asked for any sugar coating she just asked for straight up advice
It keeps coming up because when she does get straight up advice, members who can't even offer any keep jumping in and lecturing others on being rude and how they should have posted. (Which seems to be a regular habit for some.:cool:) You say that getting told the same thing over and over isn't doing her any good and I agree--her view of the situation probably is not going to be swayed. But you never know who else is reading that might think twice and benefit from it. People other than the OP read threads and learn. That's been pointed out several times by various members very recently.

BamaFan121s 07-14-2010 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rik20101 (Post 3198816)
And with that, I am done with this thread....I have also added my very first YT member to my ignore list.
They always say the first one's the hardest! :p

Rhetts_mama 07-14-2010 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by janetcerdas (Post 3198218)
I really don't think it's up to you to decide whether or not there are enough "yorkie-poos" out there. I also don't think it's any of your business whether or not she will charge for HER puppies.



How do you know what she was doing exactly? She could have been at the vets or caring for her female, you guys really do think you know it ALL.. yes she was VERY wrong for breeding her female for a selfish reason but you guys are doing more harm then good. I think she got the point when she was told over and over that she's irresponsible and that she should feel guilty. So how about some of you that seem to know-it-all start giving this girl some USEFUL advice or these puppies could die.




I strongly disagree with this. ANYONE is allowed to ask a question, no matter how STUPID the question might be, or whether or not it's up to your standards.




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If no one else will say it, I will. There should be ZERO yorkie poos out there. At least at this time. Until the breeding is undertaken by those experienced enough with genetics can pick out those lines that will produce the healthiest specimens. Until then, it's a crap shoot.

The OP came on in her first post and started asking about AKC papers. That's a signal she's planning on selling. If multiple people told her she would not be able to get them because of the mixed breeds, that's not hammering it in, that's reinforcing the point.

We know what she has been doing, or rather not been doing, by the questions she asked and stated in her original post. No one who is truly interested in the health of their bitch and pups would wait until 10 days out before coming on looking for assistance. Especially not someone who had been a member here for 3 years. The questions she did ask, showed a lack of understanding of basic breeding knowledge.

She was given the absolute BEST advise she could be given at this point- Find an EXPERIENCED MENTOR who could be at her side through this, or failing that FIND A VET who would walk her through this.

Look, I'm a nurse. I studied in school for 4 years before I graduated. Even after graduation, no one would have turned me loose on a pregnant patient and told me I had all the knowledge I needed to resuscitate a baby. I was book smart, but experience dumb. Instead, for many , many months I worked 1 on 1 with and experienced mentor who guided my every move and was there to back me up if something went wrong (and it does go wrong more often than not). It took a long time before I was able to do it on my own. Whelping isn't any different. If anything, it may be harder because those patients can't tell you what is going on with them.

I absolutely agree that everyone should be able to ask questions. But then they have to be open to every answer that comes their way. They may not like them, they may not agree with them. But the answer just may end up saving the life of one of their pups or a pup belonging to someone else.

Nancy1999 07-14-2010 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3198916)
If no one else will say it, I will. There should be ZERO yorkie poos out there. At least at this time. Until the breeding is undertaken by those experienced enough with genetics can pick out those lines that will produce the healthiest specimens. Until then, it's a crap shoot.

The OP came on in her first post and started asking about AKC papers. That's a signal she's planning on selling. If multiple people told her she would not be able to get them because of the mixed breeds, that's not hammering it in, that's reinforcing the point.

We know what she has been doing, or rather not been doing, by the questions she asked and stated in her original post. No one who is truly interested in the health of their bitch and pups would wait until 10 days out before coming on looking for assistance. Especially not someone who had been a member here for 3 years. The questions she did ask, showed a lack of understanding of basic breeding knowledge.

She was given the absolute BEST advise she could be given at this point- Find an EXPERIENCED MENTOR who could be at her side through this, or failing that FIND A VET who would walk her through this.

Look, I'm a nurse. I studied in school for 4 years before I graduated. Even after graduation, no one would have turned me loose on a pregnant patient and told me I had all the knowledge I needed to resuscitate a baby. I was book smart, but experience dumb. Instead, for many , many months I worked 1 on 1 with and experienced mentor who guided my every move and was there to back me up if something went wrong (and it does go wrong more often than not). It took a long time before I was able to do it on my own. Whelping isn't any different. If anything, it may be harder because those patients can't tell you what is going on with them.

I absolutely agree that everyone should be able to ask questions. But then they have to be open to every answer that comes their way. They may not like them, they may not agree with them. But the answer just may end up saving the life of one of their pups or a pup belonging to someone else.
Great post, I hope people really read it and take it to heart.

miabellaamoure 07-15-2010 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3198824)
It keeps coming up because when she does get straight up advice, members who can't even offer any keep jumping in and lecturing others on being rude and how they should have posted. (Which seems to be a regular habit for some.:cool:) You say that getting told the same thing over and over isn't doing her any good and I agree--her view of the situation probably is not going to be swayed. But you never know who else is reading that might think twice and benefit from it. People other than the OP read threads and learn. That's been pointed out several times by various members very recently.
:thumbup:couldn't have said it any better...now if some could just look past the delivery and concentrate on the information, our work would be done & we'd be high 5'in!...;)

Tnyorkiemom 07-17-2010 08:54 AM
just to update everyone truely interested.........op's female had 5 very healthy puppies.....mommy and pups are all doing great!!

Nancy1999 07-17-2010 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 3202495)
just to update everyone truely interested.........op's female had 5 very healthy puppies.....mommy and pups are all doing great!!
I sincerely hope you advise her on how to find good homes for these puppies, so many new breeders don't understand the importance of finding permanent homes and are willing to sell to anyone with the puppy bug. She needs to be able to weed out the bad buyers. She is responsible for these offspring and proper placement is so important, shelters and rescues are really having problems placing all the dogs they have.

Tnyorkiemom 07-17-2010 09:36 AM
Nancy.......i so agree with you ...so does she...she has said that they will be asked alot of questions ...and checked out to the best of her ability........she loves Lily and feels these pups are an extension of her........so believe me they will definitely have to "cut the mustard" so to speak.....you are right...........these widdle darlings depend on us to make sure they are taken care of and are very loved.

peanut 07-18-2010 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 3202495)
just to update everyone truely interested.........op's female had 5 very healthy puppies.....mommy and pups are all doing great!!
Thats great news, now I hope she will spay the bitch after she is done nursing.

H5yorkie 07-18-2010 06:27 PM
I have been a member for sometime and only comment once in awhile, I have read almost all postings regarding breeding, have worked with a mentor for 2 years and even tried to keep my baby from getting pregnant. NOT once have I felt I couldn't come on YT and ask questions or PM someone to ask. My mentor has been a valuable friend to me and entrusted me with her bitches at my house as if they were mine and she was there to watch and advise. To EVERYONE who has commented, before you come on here and call out others for being truthful read the original post. She herself should have known there would be some slack. I would hope the day I do post questions of help I get ALL comments as someone else can learn from the positive and negative comments with the exception of bashing another member ESPECIALLY a member who has continuously given sound advice and has saved many a pup, here online, over the phone AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY! JMO...on that note, I'm on puppy watch with my girls for the first time and must go:)

Mysweetbabies 07-23-2010 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 3202495)
just to update everyone truely interested.........op's female had 5 very healthy puppies.....mommy and pups are all doing great!!
I am so glad the pups and mom are doing great.:)

Jennyddc1 08-26-2010 10:26 AM
could i have one of the puppies


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