Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3160814)

Sadly, about 8 years ago I lost a couple of puppies when two moms got in a fight over the puppies. In your case, I don't know if the momma of the pups that were killed was present when her pups were killed but in the case of mine getting killed, both momma bitches were present. I never heard anything after I stepped out of the room but I came back to two dead pups with puncture wounds. What happens is that one momma will want the other mommas pups and when one momma picks up the other mommas pups and tries to carry them away the momma naturally will try to grab the puppy out of the mouth of the other momma. It does not necessarily mean that one is a killer unless you know the one that killed the pups was alone with them when the incident happened. I know a lady that witnessed two poms pull a baby apart when one tried to steal a pup from the other. It is very sad but it does happen. When it happened to me the pups were nearly two weeks old and I had been rearranging the pens and I stepped out for just a minute to get something and I forgot to close the pens up. I was mad, angry and heart broken but I could not blame the mommas, it was my fault. Since then I take many precautions to make sure it does not happen again.

There are so many things that can happen with these little babies and sadly, sometimes lessons are learned the hard way. I know you feel like you are getting picked on but in reality, people are just trying to stress to you that it is our responsibility to do all we can to protect our mommas and their babies. Perhaps someone new to breeding will read this thread and learn from it so they won't make the same mistake we did. Tragedy can strike in a heartbeat so we all need to be prepared and think ahead. I am glad your momma's babies are doing well and I do pray that the momma will be okay.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3160885)

The momma of the pups who were killed was outside pottying when the other momma killed them, so she knows for sure who did it, and it was the 2nd time it happened!

Also out of a litter of 8 only one survives so far. I think I know why the OP is so upset, this was not a *profitable* undertaking this time around. I feel so sorry for her dogs.

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3160942)

I think it is pretty cruel of you to say that the OP is only upset because she will not 'profit' because the pups died. We all make mistakes. This could happen to anyone who breeds dogs and lets their guard down, whether they are experienced or not. Good grief, I have lost entire litters before because they delivered to early and I know the pain and it is not about money.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3161199)

so Stella passed? And Manolos Mom is one of the best people I know and takes care of what needs to be done...
I was told today by someone that this would happen to Stella before you came on and said she passed....guess some knew what would happen before you...

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3161207)

I'm very sorry to hear about Stella. I know this is a terrible loss for you and will keep you and Stella in my thoughts and prayers.

Rest In Peace, Little One.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3160885)

The momma of the pups who were killed was outside pottying when the other momma killed them, so she knows for sure who did it, and it was the 2nd time it happened!

Also out of a litter of 8 only one survives so far. I think I know why the OP is so upset, this was not a *profitable* undertaking this time around. I feel so sorry for her dogs.

Originally Posted by Shasha (Post 3161206)

look...she knew stellas illness by my thread earlier...there was nothing to be done for this condition chylothorax.....my vet told me she wouldnt make it... there wasnt a cure...... i KNEW what was happening.......that was the hardest part of it all.. and i and no vet could do anything about it. Manolos mum THINKS she knows it all..... !