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05-20-2010, 06:49 AM | #31 | |
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From one of the sites YOU linked (thanks), thus proving my point: Add a balanced source of calcium, phosphorus, and Vitamin D to the bitch's diet beginning about mid-term. The best sources are milk (withdraw if this causes a loose stool) or cottage cheese. DO NOT add calcium alone!! It MUST be used with phosphorus and Vitamin D. (Remember that optimum ratio of Calcium to Phosphorus of 1.2 to 1! I didn't imply anything. I can't help how you chose to interpret it and what you thought I meant. I asked the question to get more information from the OP, nothing more. | |
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05-20-2010, 06:50 AM | #32 |
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| "Practical Matters: Do not institute calcium supplementation during canine pregnancy Sep 1, 2008 By: Margaret V. Root Kustritz, DVM, PhD, DACT VETERINARY MEDICINE Margaret V. Root Kustritz Postpartum hypocalcemia, also called eclampsia or puerperal tetany, is a metabolic condition most commonly seen in small-breed dogs nursing large litters two or three weeks after whelping. It is characterized by ataxia, mydriasis, disorientation, tachycardia, and neglect of pups, with possible progression to seizures. Clients with dogs that have suffered from eclampsia often want to supplement the bitches with calcium during subsequent pregnancies; however, calcium supplementation during pregnancy is contraindicated. Parathyroid hormone is secreted in response to decreased serum calcium concentrations. The hormone increases calcium concentrations by promoting osteoclastic activity and increasing calcium uptake from the gastrointestinal tract. Oral calcium supplementation causes persistent serum calcium elevation with subsequent downregulation of parathyroid hormone. When the ***** whelps and begins lactating, it is difficult for oral supplementation alone to provide enough calcium since it is poorly absorbed through the gastrointestinal tract. Because the parathyroid hormone has been downregulated in dogs receiving oral calcium, bone calcium stores cannot be accessed and hypocalcemia results. Instead of calcium supplementation, pregnant bitches should be fed a well-balanced puppy or performance food during the latter half of gestation. Calcium supplementation during lactation will not cause iatrogenic hypocalcemia, so supplementation may be instituted at whelping. Margaret V. Root Kustritz, DVM, PhD, DACT Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences College of Veterinary Medicine University of Minnesota St. Paul, MN 55108 " |
05-20-2010, 06:51 AM | #33 |
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| Wow! I'm sure the OP is really confused now.... Hope mom and babies are all doing well.
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05-20-2010, 06:53 AM | #34 | |
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Were you feeding her cottage cheese before she whelped? Supplementing calcium is generally not something you should do until after the pups have arrived. Why then, did you link to a site suggesting to start mid term? Yep, you are right...in all my pasting and editing, I got it swapped around. My apologies. Last edited by BamaFan121s; 05-20-2010 at 06:56 AM. | |
05-20-2010, 06:54 AM | #35 |
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| You are right! Hopefully she is sticking around to learn and not off pumping her poor girl who's not eating full of Tums under the assumption that it's going to be enough to do the trick. |
05-20-2010, 06:56 AM | #36 | |
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There is plenty of vitamin D in puppy food. I am curious how long you have been breeding? | |
05-20-2010, 06:59 AM | #37 | |
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I do NOT think her dog has eclampsia, like I said what her dog is doing is NORMAL... | |
05-20-2010, 07:01 AM | #38 | |
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YOU posted links that confirmed what I was trying to say. YOU posted links that contradicted what you were saying. Don't blame me for that. | |
05-20-2010, 07:01 AM | #39 |
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| Man you sure love dramatizing and twisting what a person says.. Pumping her full of tums.. where do you get your crazy idea's from?! I said ONE a day.. Do some research and see just how many breeders give their dogs tums and how many vets recommend it... |
05-20-2010, 07:08 AM | #40 |
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| Again, please answer..How long have you been breeding dogs? |
05-20-2010, 07:15 AM | #41 | |
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Not sure what else to say...I'm sorry that the links you posted confirmed my comments and were the opposite of your own claims? In any event, I hope the OP got the information she needed. I will keep looking for updates to see how momma and the new pups are doing. (And hopefully to see some pics soon!) Last edited by BamaFan121s; 05-20-2010 at 07:17 AM. | |
05-20-2010, 07:21 AM | #42 |
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| yep thats what I thought |
05-20-2010, 07:24 AM | #43 |
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| Funny how you only seem to jump in when you see ME post. You do that an awful lot. I am sure the OP is smart enough to read the information I posted and make her own conclusions.. good day.. |
05-20-2010, 08:40 AM | #44 |
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| I have to agree with BamaFan about giving Tums and about antibiotics. I am been raising yorkies for over 13 years. Tums is calcium carbonate is it is not the right form of calcium that nursing mommas need. Actually calcium carbonate should never be given to dogs with kidney problems and unless you are 100% sure your bitch does not have any kidney problems then you could be doing more harm than good. The bitch needs a calcium supplement for at least 8 weeks and Tums are not for long term use. It could be damaging to the momma. Yes, vets recommend them but I feel a toy breed it much more likely to be harmed if not given the proper supplement. I recommend Pet-cal that can be bought at most Vet's offices or Doc Roy's Healthy Bones that can be bought at Revival. I always have antibiotics on hand for the momma after she has pups. The new momma's temperature must be monitored closely. If the temperature goes above 102.5 then she needs antibiotics and should be taken to the vet if the temperature goes any higher. New mommas often get a stopped up mammary gland and that can lead to mastitis. If the back teats start getting hard then the momma needs antibiotics immediately. As for momma not eating, if she ate a lot of afterbirths then she probably does not feel well. I hand feed my mommas sometimes for several days after they have pups. I have a female now with 10 day old pups that will not eat unless I put the food in the whelping box and hand feed her. She has a good appetite but she is majorly spoiled. My females get dry puppy food mixed with canned Pedigree puppy food and a few egg noodles and some yogurt. Scrambled egg and cottage cheese can also be added to their diet. It is essential that the momma eat at least 4 times a day with the last meal being right before bedtime. |
05-20-2010, 09:08 AM | #45 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | Wow WOW WOW WOW, Yes, I am really confused.. mmm I do appreiciate the feedback but I am taking her to the Vet at 4pm today. She saw the ER Vet the night the puppies came and all was well.(Tuesday) Gezell does get treated like a queen. I do have to hand feed her the only thing she will eat(boiled white meat)and a dog treat now and then. She is eating small amounts maybe 2xs a day. I hand feed her in her whelping box then hold her water bowl for her and wipe her mouth .. When the Vet saw the puppy dies 3 weeks ago he put her on an antibiodic for unfection. Being our 1st litter I am very concerned as to what is normal behavior. YT helped me sooo much during her pregnancy and really prepared me. My main concern is her panting/breathing fast all the time. Actually I was so worried that when i was givin advice to give her tums, i tried it. I did read that on a website also. She wouldnt eat it all. Noy even half. When I gave her some chicken she settled down a little. Her temp is 101.4...I hope the Vet didnt say to come in because he is tired of me calling! All I know is this is a full time job that you have pay for!!! I will keep updates. Photo shoot I will try this week..if Mom lets me
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