Question about lineage

[gemy]

Now I have a questions for those breeders and exhibitors of Yorkies... I notice when I see àdds here for puppies for sale. I never ever see the full registered name of the sire and dam. This strikes me as odd. With my other breed and our list, when we talk about puppies, and or winning new Ch`s or Obedience titles, we always enter the full registered name of our dog and often with their call name as well. This is so we can all on the different pedigree websites look up the lineage etc.

Why is it not done here... if you say AKC champion sired. give me the full registered name of the AKC champion and I can look that champion up on the website, and also their pedigree...

Curious

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gemy

Now I have a questions for those breeders and exhibitors of Yorkies... I notice when I see àdds here for puppies for sale. I never ever see the full registered name of the sire and dam. This strikes me as odd. With my other breed and our list, when we talk about puppies, and or winning new Ch`s or Obedience titles, we always enter the full registered name of our dog and often with their call name as well. This is so we can all on the different pedigree websites look up the lineage etc.

Why is it not done here... if you say AKC champion sired. give me the full registered name of the AKC champion and I can look that champion up on the website, and also their pedigree...
Curious

Yes, great question!

[BamaFan121s]

Good question gemy. I *believe* that it's actually a rule here that if you post a dog as being from a CH dam or sire, that you HAVE to post the name of the parents. So if it's not being done...well...

I may be wrong on that...

[BamaFan121s]

Yep, just checked. It IS a rule in the For Sale section.

If you list a Yorkie having a Champion dam or sire, you must list the dam and sire's name as well as the registration (AKC, UKC, etc) of the Champion.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yep, just checked. It IS a rule in the For Sale section.

If you list a Yorkie having a Champion dam or sire, you must list the dam and sire's name as well as the registration (AKC, UKC, etc) of the Champion.

We need someone to check and see if these rules are being kept. I doubt if admin has the time to throughly read every ad. Another rule, is name must be listed, but some people just use their Yorkietalk name. I don't think this was what admin had in mind originally, because it's obvious when you post a for-sale thread what your Yorkietalk name is.

[BamaFan121s]

They actually just updated the rules last week to state that first and last name had to be listed...
I'm sure they don't comb every single thread looking for infringements either. I try to report it when I see it and assume they'll get with the poster and let them correct it.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

They actually just updated the rules last week to state that first and last name had to be listed...
I'm sure they don't comb every single thread looking for infringements either. I try to report it when I see it and assume they'll get with the poster and let them correct it.

Great, that's one of the things that make Yorkietalk such a great place, people looking out for people!

[Lorraine]

When you read ads advertising champion lines, the other important question is who put the champions on what dogs? Is the seller in the show rings showing their dogs and putting Ch's on them? Or have they gotten a hold of something that has ch.'s in the background and therefore their knowledge would be very limited about quality etc as they are not hands on in the show rings learning the standard and what makes a good quality show dog.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

When you read ads advertising champion lines, the other important question is who put the champions on what dogs? Is the seller in the show rings showing their dogs and putting Ch's on them? Or have they gotten a hold of something that has ch.'s in the background and therefore their knowledge would be very limited about quality etc as they are not hands on in the show rings learning the standard and what makes a good quality show dog.

Yes very true. But champion lines as has been stated before is not the same thing as the sire and dam being a CH I'm going to look up some of those adds to see some examples.

I could right now breed my Razzle. and sell pups "from champion lines" as both his parents are champions. He has yet to earn his own championship, and Razzle is not his official registered name with either the AKC or the CKC. It is Rigair Sir Razzle Dazzle. If he were to be bred right now be4 he has finished and I or the breeder wanted to post his pups for sale: I would say:

3 beautifull - Pups for sale - Sire: Rigair Sir Razzle Dazzle Dam: Rigair La Dolce Vita CH CD These are Canadian bred dogs and registered with the CKC and AKC.

Note: no title yet after RAzz man's name. And titles after the dam - so as a potential buyer you would know that only the dam has her championship at this point. But you should be able to look up both the lineages and see all the Championships in the background.

Please note this is Only an example - Razz man has not been bred to anyone yet

[gemy]

awh I see the form doesn't set up the question to ask for the full registered names of dam or sire. so ergo it isn't filled out. Strange that the form wouldn't have covered this very basic of information

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gemy

awh I see the form doesn't set up the question to ask for the full registered names of dam or sire. so ergo it isn't filled out. Strange that the form wouldn't have covered this very basic of information

Perhaps you could make a suggestion?

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Perhaps you could make a suggestion?

I intend to! Do I pm Admin directly or post in the Suggestion section?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gemy

I intend to! Do I pm Admin directly or post in the Suggestion section?

You can do it either way, it's good to do it in this forum: Site Suggestions / Comments / Questions - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community so others can learn the answer too, but if you would rather it be private a private PM works too.

[topknot]

I think it is wrong when a breeder states "Champion Lines" and the champions are way back - past the 3rd generation. What they are trying to do is take some credit for the hard work someone else did to help sell their pups. And in reality misleading the consumer/buyer, since the champions way back are not really contributing much. Many buyers do not know this. It is what someone has done with the line once they got it. If they introduced substandard dogs to it - it brings the quality way down. And since one is not showing now - how are they sure what is there. JMO I have seen many a good lines go to waste and distroyed by a new breeder not breeding correctly and the puppies are no longer to standard - in fact way off! And the buyer is thinking since there are champions in the lines they are getting a nice quality puppy - and this is Wrong!

[topknot]

Originally Posted by gemy

Now I have a questions for those breeders and exhibitors of Yorkies... I notice when I see àdds here for puppies for sale. I never ever see the full registered name of the sire and dam. This strikes me as odd. With my other breed and our list, when we talk about puppies, and or winning new Ch`s or Obedience titles, we always enter the full registered name of our dog and often with their call name as well. This is so we can all on the different pedigree websites look up the lineage etc.

Why is it not done here... if you say AKC champion sired. give me the full registered name of the AKC champion and I can look that champion up on the website, and also their pedigree...

Curious

Gail - I think too, that if someone is advertising their pups here, they should Not be able to list how many champions in pedigree (since one could use a 5 or 7 generation or more and make it look good when it is not). Listing it with a 3 generation pedigree would be acceptable. And only list champion pedigree if the parents and/or gandparents are champions With their registered names. This way no one is mislead.