I am going to complain,this is outrageous.

micro yorkies from Korea
 

Hi, I'm new Yorkie Talk and need advice. My mother, who is in her 60's saw a gal in Beverly Hills with a very tiny Yorkie. The gal said the Yorkie was imported from Korea and was only 2 lbs at 9 months old and would not grow any bigger. This happened several months ago, and my mom still talks about that dog. My sister and I have been trying to find such a dog for our mom, who is widowed and a breast cancer survivor, so we are willing to go to extra expense to give her the surprise of her life. I joined Yorkie Talk after reading your recent posts about Posh Fairy Tail which was one of the places we were considering purchasing from. When I google the places we are considering (Luv Puppy in Seattle, T Cup Island in Canada , Lux Puppy in Canada, and Posh Fairy Tail in VA, no consumer complaints show up. If the puppies these places sell are so bad, wouldn't there be some consumer complaints that my sister or I would find? Thank you all in advance for the clarity I know you can bring to this situation. Maybe we need to use a different search method?

Welcome to YT!!!!
Wow! Your mom sounds like a real tropper, and you sound like a caring daughter who wants to give her mom the best. You stumbled upon a great website!
Here are a few threads any new owner should consider:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ead-first.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ead-first.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...uch-thing.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ease-read.html

As for your question, some people don't rate breeders or pet shops, or importing breeders, unless a catastrophe happens. If the pup is sick and gets better with meds, it's generally kept quiet. If the dog has a congenital disease and gets sick later in life, ignorant owners chalk it up to a bad experience.

Why is importing puppies so bad? Same reason having puppies in the pet store is horrible. Since you have settled on this breed, I suggest you also read the YTCA website. It is the mother club that sets the standard for the breed and breeders. Two of the biggest rules that is often broken is breeding with one feature in mind (ex. tinies) and separating pups from their mother and siblings too soon. Let me explain.

When people breed for tiny, micro minnie, or "tea cup" yorkies, their only interest is producing small dogs without any consideration that a puppy that small will need special care for it's entire life. Smaller ones are more fragile and you need to have constant care for them. Also, when a breeder breeds for tiny dogs, all they see is two small dogs, put them together in hopes of producing more small dogs. They don't breed for soundness and you are in danger of purchasing a very sick puppy. No health or genetic tests are done in these cases. That does not mean that a tiny puppy can't be healthy, they are just more at risk. Some of the great breeders that breed to better the breed and for healthy puppies every once in a while get a tiny dog from their breedings. I also want to remind you that the Yorkshire Terrier is a small dog to begin with. The standard calls for a size 7 lbs and under. My boy is right at 7 lbs, and he is small. I buy him preemie clothes and then tailor them to fit him properly. 7 lbs is still small!!

On to separating pups from moms. YTCA calls for puppies to stay with mom a minimum of 12 weeks. This allows for puppies to gain important socializing skills. When dogs are shipped, they are torn from their mothers at 6-8 weeks of age. WAY TOO SOON!!!! If you search through the threads, owners with younger puppies often come here for help with sickness or behavior problems. There is a post from one of the most awesome breeders on YT that explains a puppy's development but I can't find it right now. I'll search for it for you to see.

There's a lot more information and all of it can be found here on YT. Feel free to browse around, and I hope my post is helpful!

Where exactly would you expect to find complaints? Sure the USDA and AKC police their registered breeders up to a point. Is the breeder even registered with them? Even then, they don't regulate the health of the dogs. There is no magical, universal database of bad breeders and complaints against them....so where exactly would you expect to find this information?

There are quite a few members who are very knowledgeable regarding Yorkies who have given this breeder's practices Does that hold no value for you?

Furthermore, if you have been searching for a Yorkie for sometime, then you must be at least somewhat familiar with indicators of shady breeders and the standard for the breed (And if you are not, then you should research further before actively trying to find a dog. How are you going to select a quality dog with limited knowledge of the breed, ya know?)

Common sense....this breeder's site states they purposely breed dogs to look like "hello kitties" and to have 'big eyes' and to be 'extremely small.' What part of that sounds right to you?

This whole thing keeps getting more and more bizarre. The owners of this "place" are supposedly Ginger Turk and Soojin (Jina or Jeanna) Callies, located in VA...Also known as MalteseFairy, Glenn Allen, VA.
One of the contact numbers given for Ginger (561-202-45XX) also shows up all over the place for an Al Turk in Florida for a Fence Repair Company.
Also traces back to this add in Sacramento posted today asking for donations to help care for a kid that was abandoned? :confused:
Teenage Boy Needs Donations

If you check the Ripoff Report or SqueakyWheel.com you will find plenty of warnings about unscrupulous puppy breeders/sellers selling everything from huge Danes to little Frenchies. But, again, nothing about the places I asked about in my earlier post. I'm just a guy trying to get information and mean no offense to the standard breed of Yorkie by asking about the tiny ones. From my online research it seems that most all modern dogs were bred to have a certain appearance and size (s**tzu's flat faces, Bulldogs big heads, etc.) So, if a tiny version of the standard Yorkie could be created WITHOUT HEALTH PROBLEMS, why not? That's why I was asking if anyone has had personal experience good/bad with the places I mentioned. I hope if you have, you will please share. If you check the Ripoff Report or SqueakyWheel.com you will find plenty of warnings about unscrupulous puppy breeders/sellers selling everything from huge Danes to little Frenchies. But, again, nothing about the places I asked about in my earlier post (Posh Fairy Tail, Luxe Pup, Luv Puppy, Tcup Island.) Again, I mean no offense.

WTH...Thats just CrazyFoundation Please read this before purchasing a pup from any of those Breeders (Greeders) you mentioned.


Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

Check these people out.

Luv Puppy - Home

They have two puppies advertised on PuppyFind.

Pam

Wow...you gotta love it when a breeder makes the claim that their "dogs don't look real." :thumbdown Pffft!

Some of those photos looked photoshopped, but I doubt if you are buying the puppy you see, this is a Korean kennel, and I always recommend visiting the breeders home and kennel before buying a dog. No exceptions!

Teacup Island FB....Videos Posted by : : : : Tcup Island : : : :: Teacup Maltese Girl ? | Facebook

Wow, you come up with all the dirt. That is just weird....at least they weren't asking for money for the kid.

I realize this is an old thread, but I just got a respose from a member here who is apparently an associate of this "breeder." It seems as if she feels she was misunderstood based on the information I shared in one of my previous posts and was kind enough to further explain (below). For those who were shocked by this breeders site and her "Hello Kitty" teacup dogs, perhaps this individual could help as she apparently knows the breeder well, helps her with her business and purchased a dog from her.

I'm writing you in regards to a comment you had posted about me Ginger Turk. I would first like to state that you need to get your story straight before bashing someone.

First of all, I'm not a breeder. Soojin (Jina) from PoshFairytail was a customer of mine who purchased my designs for her yorkies and maltese. I also purchased a puppy from her for modeling for my business and as a pet. I became friends with her over a period of time and due to her not speaking English well, she asked if I would help her with handling her calls since people contacting her regarding her puppies had a hard time understanding her englsih. Since I have a Poshfairytail puppy and know they are healthy and well socialized, I was more than happy to help a friend.

Second, Alan Turk is my husband and we have a fencing Co. He occasionally would use my classified account for my business to advertise for jobs and get bids.

Third, "donations to help care for a kid that was abandoned". This is not what the ad I posted said. We had a teenage boy join our family for a while due to being sexually and physically abused. Due to us having a large family and not being prepared to take in another child I posted an ad asking for items to help him feel more comfortable while living with us. At the time we did not have additional money to go out and buy him everything he needed. Thank god there are wonderful people out there that found it in their hearts to help.

So the next time you decide to post negative comments about someone and don't actually know what you are saying, DON'T.

Ginger

Wow, I went back to the first page to see what this was all about and saw the picture attachment and I couldn't go any farther. If that truly is an actual dog... ::shudders:: I feel sick and sad and revolted all at the same time! Those poor babies... :(

:eek: WOW...speechless

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I'm writing you in regards to a comment you had posted about me Ginger Turk. I would first like to state that you need to get your story straight before bashing someone.

First of all, I'm not a breeder. Soojin (Jina) from PoshFairytail was a customer of mine who purchased my pet fashion designs for her yorkies and maltese. I also purchased a puppy from her for modeling for my business and as a pet. I became friends with her over a period of time and due to her not speaking English well, she asked if I would help her with handling some of her calls since some people contacting her regarding her puppies had a hard time understanding her English. Since I have a Poshfairytail puppy and know they are healthy and well socialized, I was more than happy to occasionally help a friend. The only reason my image was added to her website is because she felt as though it would be nice for people who called to see who they were talking with. I didn't realize my helping her would cause such a problem with certain people (breeders).

Second, Alan Turk is my husband and we have a fencing Co. He occasionally would use my classified account for my pet fashion business to advertise for jobs and get bids.This way we didn't have to pay for two different accounts.

Third, "donations to help care for a kid that was abandoned". This is not what the ad I posted said. We had a teenage boy join our family for a while due to being sexually and physically abused. Due to us having a large family ourselves and not being prepared to take in another child I posted an ad asking for items to help him feel more comfortable while living with us. At the time we did not have additional money to go out and buy him everything he needed. Thank goodness there are wonderful people out there that found it in their hearts to help.

So the next time you decide to post negative comments about someone and don't actually know what you are saying, DON'T.

Ginger

Don't worry, Bama already posted your response.

That's because Bama seems like an honest person like that. Good for Bama! :thumbup: Bama can still make a point, but give the other side of the story. That is very fair of Bama in my opinion.

Very true!! It still doesn't excuse importing dogs. :thumbdown:

I'm not saying I agree with the person defending... this... yeah... that's all I can call it really "this." I'm at a loss for words. ::shudders::

Bama still being upstanding enough to post a defense reply on someone's request though is pretty classy. It also solidifies that Bama knows she's right because she had no reason to hide the defense reply. She put it right out there in the open.

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I recently flew to Seattle to purchase a maltese puppy from Tcup Island. I paid Tcup Island a 2,000 dollar deposit for a puppy which they refused to sell to me. I had the audacity to request current medical records and a verification of her blood lines. All that the young girl brought to my hotel was a 14 ounce, 3 1/2 month old puppy. Oh yes, she did bring about 1 cup of dry food. The instructions were to feed this tiny girl 1 tablespoon twice per day. Could this be why she was so small?


After my insistent requests for proper records, Tcup Island refused to finalize the sale of the little puppy and said that they would return my deposit of 2,000 dollars. This deposit has since bounced due to insufficient funds.

How sad! What happened to the puppy?

#92 micro yorkies from korea
 

The last time I checked, which was 2 days ago, the little girl was up for sale again on one of the Tcup Island web sites. Her little trusting face still haunts me. I had watched her video over 200 times (bonding). I pray that someone buys her that will feed her all that her little puppy heart desires.

I know it was hard, but good for you for sticking to your guns and not supporting a "greeder." I give you so much credit for having the strength to do that.

:hug: Don't think about it too much, you will only make yourself sick over it. Hang in there!

Ruh, roh! Clear and convincing evidence - research, research, research the breeder! Do you know what happened to this poor puppy?

I've read that dogs that are very quickly bred down to have very short muzzles in just a few generations have terrible dental problems and while I don't know if that is true, it sounds believable. Don't really short muzzles interfere with correct breathing and a functional "dog" nose? You all are right - those dogs look pop-eyed, wall-eyed and hydrocephalic and have anything but that keen-eyed terrier look.

I personally saw one of those very tiny under 2 lb. grown Yorkie ultra "teacup" dogs at one breeders place and it slunk across the floor like a pelt of fur with no legs. It didn't look or move like a dog as its legs seemed dwarfed and the little thing was shaking - terrified. What I could see of its little face as it struggled to get under furniture showed a muzzle about the size of a thimble. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen and I got away from that house as fast as I could. Poor little dog. I only hope somehow it had a good life as God knows it deserved better than that. Oh, and of course, that breeder did not have mom or dad there!!! Next day I was at a show breeder's home in Dallas with lovely kennels, a beautiful mom and dad there in the room, looking at one of her 5 mo. old chunky little pet quality Yorkshire Terrier beauties that strode around like a little athlete, charming me with loads of Yorkie attitude with this lady giving me a Secret Service type interview and I just marveled at the difference in the two worlds. If only people wouldn't buy from those disreputable breeders and brokers, they would have to go out of business. I don't mean to suggest we all need to buy from show breeders or any thing even remotely like that but that is where I found myself that next day and the dichotomy in the pups was striking.

I know how it must hurt to see that little thing for sale again but the only real way to help future little dogs is to put these people out of business. I hope you can heal and find another baby very, very soon from some people that truly love and care about healthy, happy and functional dogs ending up with great and loving homes.

This is one of the problems of breeding just for the pet market. They are breeding dogs that appeal to buyers, without doing any research on whether an attribute is safe and physically sound. Dogs with overly short muzzles do have breathing problems and are more prone to allergies. Tinies under 4 pounds often have such small mouths that their teeth don't fit, and of course, overcrowding causes more problems with teeth. So many breeds are in trouble, because the breed clubs have not protected the standard and the standard was changed to benefit breeders who wanted a more extreme example of the breed, and something that was appealing to pet buyers. Standards should change very slowly, if at all, and only after much research is done, and safety for the trait has been thoroughly tested. In my opinion, safety should always come first. So far, the Yorkshire Terrier is one breed that doesn't have any physical problems due to the written standard, there are at least 5 other breeds, who are in serious trouble because of their standard, and the modifications they've made to it.

I think the Yorkshire Terrier breed standard does create a healthy, beautiful and companionable little dog whose presence fills a room! I'm grateful most YT breeders won't give in to what some people seem to want lately as far as ultra tiny size, large heads, flat faces, big eyes, etc., as from what I have read and heard, it is trying to please the public's latest whim that will start to ruin a breed's health and functionality.

WARNING! Ginger Turk
 

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