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sapo1009 05-06-2010 11:15 AM
OK he made it through the night and he is getting around better and is not as limp. BUt I still can not get him to latchon to mom.WHy is this?
Then I have someone telling me to give up that if mom pushes him away it is because he is sick and that when he grows up something might be wrong with him, but I cant just let him suffer,I feel if I am breeding I need to help in everyway that I can weather it be for mom or her babies.
So fustrated

luckylady 05-06-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sapo1009 (Post 3117602)
OK he made it through the night and he is getting around better and is not as limp. BUt I still can not get him to latchon to mom.WHy is this?
Then I have someone telling me to give up that if mom pushes him away it is because he is sick and that when he grows up something might be wrong with him, but I cant just let him suffer,I feel if I am breeding I need to help in everyway that I can weather it be for mom or her babies.
So fustrated
He may be just to small or to weak to latch on and you will have to hand feed him until he gets strong enough to nurse. I agree that if the vet found nothing wrong with him, then you are right to try with all your might to get him through this. It's not easy I'm sure, but worth it. Keep him warm, feed him as directed by the experienced breeders here have said, and make sure to keep track of his weight to be sure he is gaining. Is he a singleton? Will mom diaper him or take care of him at all? Maybe she senses his weakness as an illness and that is why she is pushing him away. Hopefully when he gets stronger, she will take care of him. Good luck to you and this little guy; sending my prayers your way.

sapo1009 05-06-2010 11:49 AM
He is one of 5, she does lick him and such when I try to ge him to latch, I have not seen any gain yet. He is onlytaking in about 1tablespoon and I dont think that is enough. I have heard bad things about tube feeding and dont even want to try that just because I dont know how.

Woogie Man 05-06-2010 12:00 PM
Having to hand feed a baby is not uncommon. It is one of the 'not easy' parts to breeding, but sometimes is necessary. Since your vet has seen him and found nothing wrong, there is no reason to give up on him.

I have hand fed babies for 3 weeks straight and supplemented for another 2 weeks, but that is what the situation called for. He really must eat regularly or dehydration can set in quickly and then you can have real problems.

The goat's milk with equal parts water and a little karo added works very well. It is much easier on the digestion than commercial formulas and some of those have been found unsafe. He should do fine as long as he's fed around the clock. If there are no health issues, he will turn the corner when he's stronger and nurse with the litter. You're just going to have to be 'co-mommy' for a while.

sapo1009 05-06-2010 12:06 PM
Thanks so much that makes me feel much better! I am going to look for some goats milk.

Woogie Man 05-06-2010 12:15 PM
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Thanks so much that makes me feel much better! I am going to look for some goats milk.
You can find it in most grocery stores in the baking section next to the evaporated milk. Shake the can really well before emptying it as the milk solids gather at the bottom.

You really want to get him on track and plumping out ASAP. If he's not thriving, it's not recommended to put one through the tail docking and dew claw removal until they are. Not implying that he has to be nursing on his own, but that he really must be showing a gain before any procedure should be done.

Best of luck...it's a lot of work but so worth it. He'll likely become your favorite as you bond with him with the feedings.

Mardelin 05-06-2010 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3117733)
You can find it in most grocery stores in the baking section next to the evaporated milk. Shake the can really well before emptying it as the milk solids gather at the bottom.

You really want to get him on track and plumping out ASAP. If he's not thriving, it's not recommended to put one through the tail docking and dew claw removal until they are. Not implying that he has to be nursing on his own, but that he really must be showing a gain before any procedure should be done.

Best of luck...it's a lot of work but so worth it. He'll likely become your favorite as you bond with him with the feedings.
Great advice. I usually don't dock until that pup reaches that 7oz range, but then most of my pups are between 4 - 5 oz when they're born and reach that weight by the time the are 3 days old.

sapo1009 05-07-2010 12:59 PM
I am still giving him milk witht he dropper. His stomach seems very swollen, notlike I have fed him too much because I know I have not. I went to feed him just now and it is very big and hard. I have rubbed it and stuff but I am now afraid to feed him as it looks like it is about to bust. He was in the vet again today and they gave him fluids because he was dehydrated a little.They couldnt tell much as we all know it is hard to tell what the end will be.
Any ideas on this?

Woogie Man 05-07-2010 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sapo1009 (Post 3119307)
I am still giving him milk witht he dropper. His stomach seems very swollen, notlike I have fed him too much because I know I have not. I went to feed him just now and it is very big and hard. I have rubbed it and stuff but I am now afraid to feed him as it looks like it is about to bust. He was in the vet again today and they gave him fluids because he was dehydrated a little.They couldnt tell much as we all know it is hard to tell what the end will be.
Any ideas on this?
It's hard to get a picture with the info you gave. Can i ask a few questions?

What are you feeding him and how much, how often?
Have you seen Mom diapering him or seen him poop?
Are you burping him after feedings?
Is he feeding from Mom at all?
How long has his stomach been swollen?

It could be gas, he could be full or constipated. Though I've never used it, some here have recommended Mylicon, an over the counter gas relief product for babies. You could try diapering him by using a warm damp cloth on his rear to see if he'll poop. The fluids the vet gave him wouldn't cause this.

I looked up the dosage for Mylicon for pups and I found 1/4 cc per pound so for such a small pup a couple drops should be enough.


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