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QuickSilver 04-15-2010 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloes dad (Post 3087137)
Actually It does make me feel a little better. I did read that while looking for answers on a few sites but wasn't sure if this was controversial, and didn't want a debate on my hands So that's why i kinda asked about keeping the litter, but didn't really elaborate or get to into it..I had visions of members with pitch forks and torches hunting me down..lol
I was actually just discussing this with a breeder a few days ago, because I was really surprised (and grossed out) to learn how frequently dogs are mated to relatives. But I guess it's necessary in many cases.

Now, it's my understanding that a breeding that close (brother/sister) is only done by very experienced breeders, because it tends to accentuate attributes, both good and bad. I can't advise you if this particular pair poses more significant risks, and I'm sure there are other concerns, such as the female's age and if she's big enough for a litter. But your dogs did not "violate" each other or anything like that.

brendah 04-15-2010 09:37 PM
I will keep looking, I would think that a really experienced breeder should be on here. It seem like most "puppy watches" happen at nite:)

Chloes dad 04-15-2010 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3087145)
While I know these are dogs, incest still makes me scared and a little creeped out. Scared that a brother/sister mating will bring out the worst in their lineage (which I hope not) or they can bring out the best, like Quicksilver said. Creeped out because, well... their siblings and I'm human, we don't do that!!! I guess I'll go get my pitchfork now, what time should I come over and tar and feather you? :p

Lol now thats a whole other forum, :p.. j/k thanks for helping me laugh!

DvlshAngel985 04-15-2010 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloes dad (Post 3087151)
Lol now thats a whole other forum, :p.. j/k thanks for helping me laugh!
Now what kind of a YT family would we be if we weren't here to make you feel a little better? Your partner needs you to be strong for him, so relax, absorb what can and if Mardelin or the other experienced breeders reply, really read over their advice. I highly respect people like Mardelin.

PenniesMom 04-15-2010 09:43 PM
i donno if its the same in dogs but i used to breed show rabbits and line breeding was different from inbreeding Line breeding which carrys on the same line is to breed Daughter to father or grandfather and son to mother or grandmother. sister to brother was still thought of as inbreeding but LINE breeding was not only acceptable but common practice

Chloes dad 04-15-2010 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3087148)
I was actually just discussing this with a breeder a few days ago, because I was really surprised (and grossed out) to learn how frequently dogs are mated to relatives. But I guess it's necessary in many cases.

Now, it's my understanding that a breeding that close (brother/sister) is only done by very experienced breeders, because it tends to accentuate attributes, both good and bad. I can't advise you if this particular pair poses more significant risks, and I'm sure there are other concerns, such as the female's age and if she's big enough for a litter. But your dogs did not "violate" each other or anything like that.
Exactly And I'm sure genetic testing would need to be done. I guess I am just gonna pray she isn't as shes not at the body weight i would think she should be bred at either as shes only 4 lbs, But if she is she would have to be at least two weeks in. And Ill have a lot of questions about the aborting process, as I never thought I would have to think about abortion issues with a pet, I am pro life but does that pertain to animals.. So many things running through my mind, im weird-ed out but Hopefully Monday Ill have answers.

brendah 04-15-2010 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloes dad (Post 3087151)
Lol now thats a whole other forum, :p.. j/k thanks for helping me laugh!
I am willing to come up there, I am always looking for a excuse to go see my family.. I am originaly from Eau Claire :p. I can stop by along the way

MauiGirl 04-15-2010 09:46 PM
I just want to say how sorry I am that you have so much to deal with all at one time, it sounds a bit overwhelming.

I don't have much knowledge or advice for your Yorkie's situation, although I did have a Schnauzer pup that came in heat at 5 months and accidentally mated, so I had her spayed as soon as her bleeding & swelling stopped and "if" there were puppies they were aborted.

How big is your Yorkie? Her size should be considered also in the safety of letting her have babies. I'm sure you wouldn't want to risk loosing her to provide pups to your relatives.

Good luck with it all, and hope those with more experience will give you some helpful, thoughtful advice.

QuickSilver 04-15-2010 09:47 PM
Tar and feathers: bringing families together! Pick some up today!

megansmomma 04-15-2010 09:51 PM
I looked to see if someone that I know could answer your questions was on line but the breeders like Mardelin, WoogieMan and Brooklynn are not on now.

I am trying to figure out when exactly the mating could have possibly happened.:confused: You said that she was in heat 2 or 3 weeks ago. Bitches in heat are not ready to mate until after the heat ends. If they tied was is 2 or 3 weeks or more recently? I think that she should be fine for a spay. The reason that they do not like to spay during a heat is that the uterus becomes more vascular and more bleeding could occur but in this case if she is pregnant and only 8 months old :(

Chloes dad 04-15-2010 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MauiGirl (Post 3087162)
I just want to say how sorry I am that you have so much to deal with all at one time, it sounds a bit overwhelming.

I don't have much knowledge or advice for your Yorkie's situation, although I did have a Schnauzer pup that came in heat at 5 months and accidentally mated, so I had her spayed as soon as her bleeding & swelling stopped and "if" there were puppies they were aborted.

How big is your Yorkie? Her size should be considered also in the safety of letting her have babies. I'm sure you wouldn't want to risk loosing her to provide pups to your relatives.

Good luck with it all, and hope those with more experience will give you some helpful, thoughtful advice.
Thank you yes I agree it isnt worth her life to provide pups to my family, I wasn't going to breed her until/if she reached a desirable weight, and was checked out by my vet first to ensure she was ok to do so. She is just 1 oz over 4lbs now. But also I wouldn't want to do it in her first cycle either as Unless im mistaken Is not a desirable time to do so as shes not ready.

Thank you everyone so far for the helpful info and kind words I look forward to seeing some good advise tomorrow/later today, I'm gonna hit the hay..ttyl.

megansmomma 04-15-2010 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloes dad (Post 3087159)
Exactly And I'm sure genetic testing would need to be done. I guess I am just gonna pray she isn't as shes not at the body weight i would think she should be bred at either as shes only 4 lbs, But if she is she would have to be at least two weeks in. And Ill have a lot of questions about the aborting process, as I never thought I would have to think about abortion issues with a pet, I am pro life but does that pertain to animals.. So many things running through my mind, im weird-ed out but Hopefully Monday Ill have answers.
There is a difference between abortion and spay. The spay removed the uterus and they will most likely not even be able to tell if she was pregnant. Now that you are saying she is only 4 lbs and 8 months it is even more dangerous that she might be pregnant. Personally, I wouldn't wait until Monday to have her seen by the vet but instead call and insist on a earlier appointment.

DvlshAngel985 04-15-2010 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3087163)
Tar and feathers: bringing families together! Pick some up today!
:thumbup: I'll help you come up with the billboard designs. :D

MauiGirl 04-15-2010 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chloes dad (Post 3087169)
Thank you yes I agree it isnt worth her life to provide pups to my family, I wasn't going to breed her until/if she reached a desirable weight, and was checked out by my vet first to ensure she was ok to do so. She is just 1 oz over 4lbs now. But also I wouldn't want to do it in her first cycle either as Unless im mistaken Is not a desirable time to do so as shes not ready.

Thank you everyone so far for the helpful info and kind words I look forward to seeing some good advise tomorrow/later today, I'm gonna hit the hay..ttyl.
Boy, I hear ya... she is just a baby herself, and still small at that. Hard to imagine her going thru pregnancy and being a mommy. It happens, but not the best timing.

Chloes dad 04-15-2010 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3087167)
I looked to see if someone that I know could answer your questions was on line but the breeders like Mardelin, WoogieMan and Brooklynn are not on now.

I am trying to figure out when exactly the mating could have possibly happened.:confused: You said that she was in heat 2 or 3 weeks ago. Bitches in heat are not ready to mate until after the heat ends. If they tied was is 2 or 3 weeks or more recently? I think that she should be fine for a spay. The reason that they do not like to spay during a heat is that the uterus becomes more vascular and more bleeding could occur but in this case if she is pregnant and only 8 months old :(

ok after this Im off to bed..lol

Me too, I am so confused and time has kinda been all jumbled with things going on, So I should clarify she was in heat and stopped bleeding by time i left her with my mom. which was like almost three weeks ago, As my partner before being checked in the final hospital was in the er one night, back the next, and then checked into a new hospital a few days later. But she has also been over there since a couple different times while i was at the hospital, and the last time was two days ago. So I have no clue.:confused:


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