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ladyjane 04-09-2010 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077626)
woo hoo looks like I made lots of new friends today. What I am getting at is this is supposed to be a forum to help people and talk about your passion for yorkies not an outlet for people to publicly attack other people. PM her and tell her she is wrong in what she is doing if you feel the need. There are far to many people on here attacking rather than helping.

Yes, I am sure my opinions are unpopular but I have talked to far to many people who were attacked by people on here for things that are not neerly as controversial as what this thread is about.

No one attacked anyone...just their practices. The bottom line is that the pup needs a good home. You can help to facilitate that by talking to your colleague and convincing her to turn her over to a rescue.

Time to show everyone how much you really love the breed. :) This pupster needs time and loving....and does not need to be sold.

gemy 04-09-2010 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077619)
I must have missed the part about her not feeding her dogs and breeding them, where is that at?

Look to the earlier posts . None said anthing about not feeding her abused pup She got her malnourished bitch at approximately one year old and she got pregnant soon after she got her. Totally unresponsible on this owners part.

Mardelin 04-09-2010 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077562)
So what are you trying to say? Do you believe these mistreated dogs should be put down? Spaying will not solve the problem with an aggressive female. The shelters are full of these abused dogs and I would hope people would adopt them and give them love.

Yes, this is a concern but she is already working taking care of the problem.

All breeding practices are going to be attacked on here because the consensus is no one should breed dogs.
The consensus is that if one is to breed, it be done correctly. With the health and welfare of the dam and pups.....Simple as that.

No, spaying will not solve the aggression in this female, training may. But, why perpetuate it by breeding the bitch and passing on the trait to her offspring. Why was this bitch being bred anyway, abused, barely a year, back to back breedings.....

BonBon 04-09-2010 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077619)
I must have missed the part about her not feeding her dogs and breeding them, where is that at?
I've said to you repeatedly that she bred this abused girl as soon as she got her, when she was still malnourished, scared and obviously in need. See post #25
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Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3074995)
I hear ya about the gloves -- I had to use my cane today, and still couldn't get the jaws off of a foot! Hubby finally got them though, now they are as mild as little mice. Of course they are both sore and tired so that helps.
The spaying didn't help? Well there goes that idea!
Yes, when they capture your heart it is so sad to part with them.
Calypso was abused before we got her -- she was really bad off as far as interacting with humans. We felt so sorry for her, and have really pampered her along. She goes into panic mode, when I get the yardstick to measure an afghan, or use my grabber to get something off of a shelf. She used to hide in the corner and wouldn't let us even pet her. Slowly she came out of it, and perks up her ears and runs to us when we call her. But, still, she will be the one that has to go, if we can't get this under control once and for all.
Barb
and post #38
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Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3076525)
Well, she was skin & bones when we got her. She ate like she never had enough food before. She hid in corners, wouldn't let us hold her, slinked around on her belly, loud voices made her panic, never really relaxed - was always watching us with a scared look; and very scared whenever we picked up an object to use that had any length to it at all. She also had this high-pitched hurt yippy bark, instead of a normal bark.
After having her for a while, things changed for the better. She now has weight problem and could stand to lose a few pounds; she loves being held & petted; she doesn't hide ever; loud voices don't make her panic anymore; she relaxes and sleep quite well now. She still does have an issue with objects we use sometimes, so we are careful around her when we do. Her bark is now normal, and only turns to the high pitch bark, when we get home from being gone for a while --- like she was afraid we weren't coming back.
If that doesn't sound like abuse, then I'm sorry I called it that. The program on TV was about abused dogs and showed some and how they act -- and it fit her perfectly.
Barb
You read these words and you tell me how this dog should have ever been bred? She deserved a home with love and protection and look what she got. The fact that you are knowingly sending your pups to someone who has so little regard for animals is beyond my comprehension. This has gone beyond 2 females fighting. If you can't see that, if you don't care what happens to those puppies you've known since birth, then I feel so very sorry for you.

Mardelin 04-09-2010 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077626)
woo hoo looks like I made lots of new friends today. What I am getting at is this is supposed to be a forum to help people and talk about your passion for yorkies not an outlet for people to publicly attack other people. PM her and tell her she is wrong in what she is doing if you feel the need. There are far to many people on here attacking rather than helping.

Yes, I am sure my opinions are unpopular but I have talked to far to many people who were attacked by people on here for things that are not neerly as controversial as what this thread is about.
Advice was offerred, but not any that she wanted to take. Spaying was not an option for her as she uses her dogs to supplement her income.

BonBon 04-09-2010 03:59 PM
To Motherhen:

One of the members of YHR lives near you. She has offered to take this girl in and make sure she gets the loving, attentive home she deserves. I promise you she will get nothing but the best of care. Please PM me and we can make arrangements to pick her up tomorrow.

livingdustmops 04-09-2010 04:01 PM
I hope Golden Parti asks her where she got this girl? What kind of living conditions was she in for her to be the way she is....Cheap dog sold at an auction or from another person just making $$$ off of her/his dogs. When will the cycle be broken of this type of breeding and people thinking it is okay.

Wylie's Mom 04-09-2010 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077626)
What I am getting at is this is supposed to be a forum to help people and talk about your passion for yorkies not an outlet for people to publicly attack other people.
This *is* a forum to help people, and I've seen a whole lot of advice and ideas offered to the OP. There is even a rescue who has offered to help her immediately.

This is also a forum that promotes the well being of yorkies (and many other animals, often) and people will speak up for a dog's best interest here, thankfully.

I don't see attacks in this thread. I see a lot of passion yes, and a whole lot of concern.

BonBon 04-09-2010 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3077656)
I hope Golden Parti asks her where she got this girl? What kind of living conditions was she in for her to be the way she is....Cheap dog sold at an auction or from another person just making $$$ off of her/his dogs. When will the cycle be broken of this type of breeding and people thinking it is okay.
With "breeders" like those we're seeing here, it never will be broken.

These are living beings people!! Treat them with the care and respect they deserve.

ladyjane 04-09-2010 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3077628)
To Golden Parti and mother hen:

PLEASE see that this poor thing goes to a rescue where she can be treated the way she should have been all along. She will be spayed and no longer used to pay someone's bills.

If you love her so much, motherhen, show us! PM me and I will arrange for her to go to a rescue.

Just wanted to emphasize this offer! Calypso will have a home that will be forever and one where she will be loved. If you love her, please do right by her. She was never meant for breeding. Surely you must know that....

livingdustmops 04-09-2010 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3077662)
This *is* a forum to help people, and I've seen a whole lot of advice and ideas offered to the OP. There is even a rescue who has offered to help her immediately.

This is also a forum that promotes the well being of yorkies (and many other animals, often) and people will speak up for a dog's best interest here, thankfully.

I don't see attacks in this thread. I see a lot of passion yes, and a whole lot of concern.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

gemy 04-09-2010 04:20 PM
Okay enough the original poster got enough advice for her two fighting females. An offer from a rescue.

We have posted our concerns on this "breeder's" practice and tried to guide the OP into a rational, objective, and hopefully more knowledgeable way, to bred our breed to improve the bred, to do the requisite health tests, and rearing of the pups, that at the minimum secures their safety.

The OP hasn't been back on for awhile in terms of posts. Hopefully she is digesting all that she has heard. She has been directed to the breeding section for detailed info on breeding.

We have done what we could

tammy8833 04-09-2010 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3077265)
Have you never been to a pet store and seen clean puppies? They are all clean, but I can PROMISE you they don't come from a clean environment.

I think you are so worried about protecting your own reputation as you see it, that you don't want to admit the truth that everyone knows about the bad breeders out there.
i my self would never purchase nor sell to a store..so you are judging me and dont know me

im not protecting my reputation you can think what you like my puppies owners will vouch for my reputation

sure there are good and bad breeders...but you are grouping in to one and the same

livingdustmops 04-09-2010 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3077678)
Just wanted to emphasize this offer! Calypso will have a home that will be forever and one where she will be loved. If you love her, please do right by her. She was never meant for breeding. Surely you must know that....
I really hope she can prove she loves her by giving her to Yorkie Haven Rescue but I am so afraid for the dogs taking her place...Just sad.

BonBon 04-09-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077619)
I must have missed the part about her not feeding her dogs and breeding them, where is that at?
And this is all you took from what everyone's had to say? It doesn't concern you how she has treated a previously abused dog, how she's admitted to using a cane on her dogs, none of it concerns you? :eek:


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